A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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- Location
- Pindorama
That's why I asked Rihaku to clarify! Until he does so I will assume so it will since that's what he said before.
Enohthree
Hypersane
Now the question is, what happens if we don't take Gisena's option? She's still meditating for a power up after all, would it be a lesser version of what's on display if we splurge?
Also important to note
Also important to note
She uses what she can glean on how Hunger's Progression works in order to get 1/4 of To Shatter Heaven, our 400% progression multiplier.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Ah, my bad. With the info that it doesn't lock us out of either path, Renaissance Woman is an extremely strong contender.
It's basically an existing pure-potential EFB, except given to someone who already understands the mechanics and so can start benefiting near-immediately, plus a shitload of extra bonus stuff that's objectively worth way more than 3 AP.
Like, holy shit how is this even fair, it's like someone accidentally stapled two EFBs together.
Yeah, we need a couple lions and tigers to go with our four bears.
[X] Renaissance Woman
This makes Gisena a force that will truly scale with Hunger. Total Eclipse is a potential type EFB and the rest brings her up to slightly above Hunger's current capabilities.
Losing the chance for an EFB for the ring is sad, but that is how things are.
Also mitigation of all of Hunger's curses. That is a grade A yes.
We can generate the 25 Arete needed later, this one just provides so much.
This makes Gisena a force that will truly scale with Hunger. Total Eclipse is a potential type EFB and the rest brings her up to slightly above Hunger's current capabilities.
Losing the chance for an EFB for the ring is sad, but that is how things are.
Also mitigation of all of Hunger's curses. That is a grade A yes.
We can generate the 25 Arete needed later, this one just provides so much.
- Location
- NY
[X] Renaissance Woman
... That Renaissance Woman option.
Is it basically the "Take this if you intend to take Gisena with you as a long-term companion on all your Geas of Indenture quests", option, @Rihaku?
Is this a Power EFB for Gisena, mixed Power/Potential, or...? It looks a bit weird, because stuff like Retinue (and "treated as having the Total Eclipse Advancement") makes it look like a high-Potential-weighted EFB, buuut... it also gives huge dollops of Power too...?
Is it 'balanced' by the fact that it all goes to a person other than Hunger? So that, it is not personal and innate power; it's a party member's power.
... Uh, also -- how does Gisena work in the Astral Rank system? That is, how does she do compared to Hunger, or to Avecarn? Does she hold a 'virtual' rank or...? Or does she actually hold an Astral Rank? And in either case, what is her Rank?
Although: Huh. All-Defeating Stance doesn't provide any Rank increases or Rank Bonuses, apparently? No Rank-related mechanics at all?
... But it seems to not matter. As Hunger's Rank of (... what is his Rank right now, actually? Is it 4.3 or 4.8 or something? I've been assuming it was 4.3 due to looking at the character sheet, forgetting the +Rank from Achievements, so...) 4-point-something would still let him steamroll Avecarn's 6.5 Rank anyway somehow?
But, to further clarify... Does that mean that Gisena can apply Retinue to Hunger and Letrizia? She can take a 25% x 25% penalty to her own progression, and in exchange give "Each advances in their primary area of specialization with Progression one-fourth the potency of your own"?
Really? Does... does that mean Hunger would get a 25% (of Gisena's Progression potency) boost to, what, Accretion? To Rank-increasing only? To getting Advancements?
Is this seriously a 25% (of Gisena's etc etc) progression boost?
Also: having 3 Graces, huh... And learning from Hunger's Progression... Sort of reminding me of an Accretion's persons 3 Artifacts.
Also also, about Retinue:
It would mean that in an upcoming update, the gang will be... holding a ceremony of friendship oaths and such.
Is it basically the "Take this if you intend to take Gisena with you as a long-term companion on all your Geas of Indenture quests", option, @Rihaku?
Is this a Power EFB for Gisena, mixed Power/Potential, or...? It looks a bit weird, because stuff like Retinue (and "treated as having the Total Eclipse Advancement") makes it look like a high-Potential-weighted EFB, buuut... it also gives huge dollops of Power too...?
Is it 'balanced' by the fact that it all goes to a person other than Hunger? So that, it is not personal and innate power; it's a party member's power.
... Uh, also -- how does Gisena work in the Astral Rank system? That is, how does she do compared to Hunger, or to Avecarn? Does she hold a 'virtual' rank or...? Or does she actually hold an Astral Rank? And in either case, what is her Rank?
Although: Huh. All-Defeating Stance doesn't provide any Rank increases or Rank Bonuses, apparently? No Rank-related mechanics at all?
... But it seems to not matter. As Hunger's Rank of (... what is his Rank right now, actually? Is it 4.3 or 4.8 or something? I've been assuming it was 4.3 due to looking at the character sheet, forgetting the +Rank from Achievements, so...) 4-point-something would still let him steamroll Avecarn's 6.5 Rank anyway somehow?
Huh. Really making me think back to The Fairest and Reminiscent Ivory and Pearl and Nio and so on.
Oh, come on! And now even more-so. As both the Fairest and Ivory/Pearl were associated with, or allowed to bear, Odyssial's blade Ambition right? There were... 4 people in the world that could bear that thing, without Ody's explicity permission... meaning it'd be Ody, Pearl/Ivory, Lealope, and the 4th would had to have been The Fairest then, right?
Up to one cardinality of...? Is that just a fancy way of saying "Yeah, this works as like the Lesser Remittance: Retinue, for a long-ass time. Basically, in any reasonable timeframe, yer not gonna run out of power on this thing."
But, to further clarify... Does that mean that Gisena can apply Retinue to Hunger and Letrizia? She can take a 25% x 25% penalty to her own progression, and in exchange give "Each advances in their primary area of specialization with Progression one-fourth the potency of your own"?
Really? Does... does that mean Hunger would get a 25% (of Gisena's Progression potency) boost to, what, Accretion? To Rank-increasing only? To getting Advancements?
Is this seriously a 25% (of Gisena's etc etc) progression boost?
Does this apply to the Doom of the Tyrant? Or not, because of Uttermost?
Also: having 3 Graces, huh... And learning from Hunger's Progression... Sort of reminding me of an Accretion's persons 3 Artifacts.
Also also, about Retinue:
Y'know, if that happens, then that would actually be kind of cool?
It would mean that in an upcoming update, the gang will be... holding a ceremony of friendship oaths and such.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Wait, shit, Renaissance Woman is taking an early lead! Now Rihaku will devil's advocate against it, so it's doomed!
No, this is definitively better than that;
This is not pedestrian To Shatter Heavens; this taps directly into Progression. It makes her, basically, a Cursebearer without Curses.
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- Location
- Omniverse #1345
It means that we can't increase the power of the remittance like we can with those we took personally.
I am, indeed, very tired of this. Especially since Rihaku has fun dropping new blurbs every time that make my life more difficult.
Anyway, seriously, cya tomorrow. This is stupid and I'm not fighting this shit again.
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Nebula Battlesuit all over again; just make your companion win your battles for you.
Rihaku
The Internet
As previously mentioned, I think you guys are strongly overestimating the mental contamination that arises from options without the +Mental Contamination Attribute. Plus, Hunger already has Cursebearer-level soul and mental defenses, so the maximum permissible contamination is already capped.
Taking Gisena's EFB-equivalent will not disqualify you for Trinity or the Forebear's Blade Special Advancements.
Eh, it is still 28 Arete. That's difficult to assemble at one time.
Um, It's clearly marked "Holy Shit."
Though with time...
All-Defeating Stance would allow for a form of diplomacy as well... gunship diplomacy. But yeah, all the options here are good.
You can, but it won't be offered at every spending point. Gisena would have to evolve at an appropriate interval!
Taking Gisena's EFB-equivalent will not disqualify you for Trinity or the Forebear's Blade Special Advancements.
Eh, it is still 28 Arete. That's difficult to assemble at one time.
Um, It's clearly marked "Holy Shit."
Though with time...
All-Defeating Stance would allow for a form of diplomacy as well... gunship diplomacy. But yeah, all the options here are good.
You can, but it won't be offered at every spending point. Gisena would have to evolve at an appropriate interval!
- Location
- Victoria
- Location
- Brazil
This convinced me. I'm all on board the sword train. I'm sorry magic-gang, but I really don't want to die.
Also, there are options, like enoble, that improve our mental health. We really should take them.
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Sometimes you just get options like this.
We basically won EFB by taking one such option for our right-hand woman, Suizhen. Then she went and killed all of the final bosses for us.
Duquette7
I am Fire, and I am Rain
She becomes Goldilocks, forever denying us our Forth Bear