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If we can generate enough arete to buy all-defeating, I will switch my vote, because otherwise, I prefer the safest short-term option.

If we have enough arete, all-defeating becomes that option (foe-defeating is probably safer against this enemy, but I still prefer all-defeating)

Live and grow stronger. Perhaps we should be prioritizing Hunger's survival instead of aesthetics.
 
[X] Unacceptable
[X] Kinda Safe

I don't wanna commit 14 whole Arete just to survive. Hero defeating is generally useful, I mean there are probably a lot of enemies that will outrank us in the future, so I'm willing to buy it. If we can get crimson flare then all the better but this at least will help us not die horribly.
 
Xalvitor said:
If we can generate enough arete to buy all-defeating, I will switch my vote, because otherwise, I prefer the safest short-term option.

If we have enough arete, all-defeating becomes that option (foe-defeating is probably safer against this enemy, but I still prefer all-defeating)

Live and grow stronger. Perhaps we should be prioritizing Hunger's survival instead of aesthetics.
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That's 28 Arete though. We can get Flare much easier then we can get All-Defeating Stance; the current people who want Flare would need to overshoot massively.
 
more panic, hrm
I guess I'll start work on erii since rihaku threw out gondar
real hard to choose between the blurbs I wrote myself though
at least I am no longer behind on work, just on my reading updates of tl's backlog
lol I totally forgot once and future was not panicbuyable
flare or all-defeating or bust, I suppose
in the absence of other opinions I suppose I will assume that negaverse voters are naturally as greedy as us and roll dice accordingly
 
Genesys said:
in the absence of other opinions I suppose I will assume that negaverse voters are naturally as greedy as us and roll dice accordingly
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I look forward to the reckless adventures of nega!Hunger!

BrainInAJar said:
That's 28 Arete though. We can get Flare much easier then we can get All-Defeating Stance; the current people who want Flare would need to overshoot massively.
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For only 4 more Arete you get a guarantee of safety! That's not something to be easily ignored considering that Flare alone is somewhat less safe than Maximal Safety, which itself isn't a guarantee!
 
Rihaku said:
I look forward to the reckless adventures of nega!Hunger!



For only 4 more Arete you get a guarantee of safety! That's not something to be easily ignored considering that Flare alone is somewhat less safe than Maximal Safety, which itself isn't a guarantee!
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Nega! Hunger is no longer the main character. By buying unerring, he locked himself into becoming surrogate big brother-type to the real main character. Probably still going to try to murder Gondar though, since Gondar is an actual threat and Erii does have motives to kill him too, with the greed option...
 
Pretty much what Rihaku said. If I don't have to see an option with %death for the rest of this quest I will be a happier man. Failing that, the smaller, the better.

Honest question, why are people voting for options with larger risk of death such as Flare? Aesthetics?
 
Xalvitor said:
Pretty much what Rihaku said. If I don't have to see an option with %death for the rest of this quest I will be a happier man. Failing that, the smaller, the better.

Honest question, why are people voting for options with larger risk of death such as Flare? Aesthetics?
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Partially frustration at the thread for getting us into this position to begin with by picking an option hunger was not at all suited for and then trying to blackmail us into buying something that would assist it.

I don't want to die, but I certainly don't want to reward the "pick the worst option because it sounds cooler!" group.
 
Genesys said:
Nega! Hunger is no longer the main character. By buying unerring, he locked himself into becoming surrogate big brother-type to the real main character. Probably still going to try to murder Gondar though, since Gondar is an actual threat and Erii does have motives to kill him too, with the greed option...
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But if she doesn't kill him and manages to liberate her brother, she would have two older brother types! The golden road!
 
Byzantine said:
Partially frustration at the thread for getting us into this position to begin with by picking an option hunger was not at all suited for and then trying to blackmail us into buying something that would assist it.

I don't want to die, but I certainly don't want to reward the "pick the worst option because it sounds cooler!" group.
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I find it more amusing that It insentivizes buying a sub-optimal choice, since Flare is less than ideal In this situation.

So much for Flare being more powerful, huh?
 
Genesys said:
Nega! Hunger is no longer the main character. By buying unerring, he locked himself into becoming surrogate big brother-type to the real main character. Probably still going to try to murder Gondar though, since Gondar is an actual threat and Erii does have motives to kill him too, with the greed option...
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But Gondar is Vanreir's friend! Would Vanreir really want Hunger to execute his friend so brutally?

Byzantine said:
Partially frustration at the thread for getting us into this position to begin with by picking an option hunger was not at all suited for and then trying to blackmail us into buying something that would assist it.

I don't want to die, but I certainly don't want to reward the "pick the worst option because it sounds cooler!" group.
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I don't think that's a group at all...
 
Xalvitor said:
I find it more amusing that It insentivizes buying a sub-optimal choice, since Flare is less than ideal In this situation.
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Flare is not perfect (it gets significant stronger after we complete the temple) but it continues building us in the proper direction and is relatively safe. I have to live with a... massive number of choices in this quest I disagree with. I'm going to do my best to force one I want.

I'm not actually opposed to the stances, except that I fear people are going to immediately consider them all the justification needed to try to force the three sword EFBs, which I oppose with everything I have. In fact you already tried exactly this, so I believe you can understand what I'm saying when I say I want to avoid incentivizing that to every extend I can.
 
Xalvitor said:
I find it more amusing that It insentivizes buying a sub-optimal choice, since Flare is less than ideal In this situation.

So much for Flare being more powerful, huh?
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Mm... without picks, you guys wouldn't have been able to get Silver of Evening in this situation anyway. Selune was just safer overall. All you can do is make the optimal play from your position.
 
Xalvitor said:
Pretty much what Rihaku said. If I don't have to see an option with %death for the rest of this quest I will be a happier man. Failing that, the smaller, the better.

Honest question, why are people voting for options with larger risk of death such as Flare? Aesthetics?
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Yes; or rather, people don't want three Blade EFBs, and they certainly don't want to split EFB progress across two types. To act on those desire comes with increased risk, that's fine. Apparently have already have chosen options with higher death percentages then Avecarn, so there's partial obfuscation by Rihaku here. If we took those odds before I'm willing to take them again.
Byzantine said:
Partially frustration at the thread for getting us into this position to begin with by picking an option hunger was not at all suited for and then trying to blackmail us into buying something that would assist it.
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should have bough shadowlord lol
Xalvitor said:
I find it more amusing that It insentivizes buying a sub-optimal choice, since Flare is less than ideal In this situation.

So much for Flare being more powerful, huh?
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Huh? It's not like anyone argued Sliver wasn't directly more powerful. "better=/=more powerful". It's not like we could have bough Sliver here anyway; so Flare might have just saved our chances at the Trinity advancement. We wanted to buy Flare anyway, this just accelerates the time-table a bit.
 
Talace said:
Post it anyway! We all have our own flavor and unique touch to the things we create, and I'd love to see yours!
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I didn't finish it, and I've rather lost touch with the muse now. I was going to call it Fall Forward, and it was going to be a similar sort of 'failure leads to success' thing as Fumbleborn but, like, not with any actual mechanics since I can never think of that kind of stuff.
 
Rihaku said:
But Gondar is Vanreir's friend! Would Vanreir really want Hunger to execute his friend so brutally?



I don't think that's a group at all...
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It doesn't exactly matter what Vanreir thinks, he's just an excuse for switching sides (or pretending to) and a convenient information dispenser at this point. Gondar is much less likely than Erii to trust Hunger just because Vanreir's in his head + some Mental Contamination!
And when push comes to shove, Nega!Hunger doesn't really have a nonlethal option, just aiming at limbs instead of head and neck. If we the voters knew that this guy was gonna try to kill us, and only stop temporarily until soul extraction was viable ... well, I suppose it depends on Erii's own escalation ability. If it took two years, outscaled. Maybe weeks at most, even living the slow infiltration surrogate sibling life... suppose I need to fit fishing in when it gets to that point.
That's at least two updates away, though.
 
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