The way Evening Sky grants us utility is through giving us access to Magic systems and empowering them. Magic is one of its domain for an reason. Evening Sky itself is not an magic system and shouldn't be treated as such.

If we use your narrow definition, than the only proper Evening Sky upgrades would be those which grant +Prot.

Much as you say that, Evening Sky is still left without any upgrades that boosts its abilities. If, as you say, one of its abilities is giving us access to magic systems...would us not upgrading the Evening Sky itself also disallow us to have better and grander options with regards to Magic Systems? On top of having better protection/utility based stats.

And, it also still doesn't detract from how Philosopher's Wreath only powers up one other system. A system that, sure, increases the usefulness of our teammates but also delays us even further from a holistic advancement in the form of Ruling Ring.
 
Saying Philosopher's Wreath sacrifices Evening Sky is like saying Cut Through sacrifices Forebear's Blade by providing access to Imperial Sword Praxis.
 
Much as you say that, Evening Sky is still left without any upgrades that boosts its abilities. If, as you say, one of its abilities is giving us access to magic systems...would us not upgrading the Evening Sky itself also disallow us to have better and grander options with regards to Magic Systems? On top of having better protection/utility based stats.

And, it also still doesn't detract from how Philosopher's Wreath only powers up one other system. A system that, sure, increases the usefulness of our teammates but also delays us even further from a holistic advancement in the form of Ruling Ring.
Yeah sure, it would. But I am not willing to take chances right now. Once we have taken care of the Temple, I will be right behind you on getting the Ruling Ring. Increasing our chances of survival and success is my main priority right now. And that means more power now.
 
From the blurbs provided: Philosopher's Wreath is an available upgrade thanks to Evening Sky, and not an upgrade to Evening Sky itself.

If Hunger had wanted only armor, he'd have manifested a suit of armor! The function of a mantle, such as a mage's cloak, as a magical item is precisely to provide magical and intellectual buffs (such as +Int/+Wis/+Cha) alongside protection! If the "acquire new system" rather than "boost existing system" function of the Advancement were used, and the new system was fluffed as emerging from the Evening Sky, would people still say the mantle is neglected? Possibly, but that reflects a very narrow conception of what the Evening Sky is.

Even Inksky wasn't really a "magic system" related to the Evening Sky, since the only thing it does with the physical mantle itself was make it tankier and give it greater tactile mobility: physical force by another means. Its other function was simply "making more upgrades available thanks to the Evening Sky," since something like buffing cha/int/magic has nothing to do with the physical mantle itself.

But ultimately I don't think Hunger IC would care whether one of his artifacts is neglected or not. He doesn't exist to balance them, they exist to serve him and the cause of vengeance and he will do what is most effective therein.

Purposely drawing out the Temple conquest doesn't seem like a good play, toppling that suspiciously rotten mountain in the Elixir's skyline and a quick ticker tape parade afterwards might be worth it though. I wonder if any of these High Elementalists may have secretly snuck out to scout the beast, and could give us better estimates on how feasible a quick kill might be.

A pity there's no real way to maintain contact in the voyaging realm, if we recruited some of them a "Letters home" deal could turn the place into a continuing source for magnifying future exploits.

Honestly the Rotbeast might simply be too weak to provide much Rank even with an advertising campaign... I'm not even sure it's a 2-pick anymore, depending on what you guys get this time.

- This also increases our dump state, Wisdom!
- The Increase in might this option grants would make our future actions in the Temple safer. Not Dying bros UNITE!

Hunger actually has pretty high Wisdom. It's necessary in order to scam people effectively. Part of the benefits of Age is Wisdom!
 
Honestly the Rotbeast might simply be too weak to provide much Rank even with an advertising campaign... I'm not even sure it's a 2-pick anymore, depending on what you guys get this time.

Hmm, in that case I don't there's much impact we can have to farm Rank from them in a timely manner. Well, making off with the hometown heroes might do something? Pied Piper style.
 
Well, that's a WoG on that line of reasoning at least.

Consider my dissent sated, at least until something life changing happens again.
 
[X] Control
[X] Evening Sky - Philosopher's Wreath - 7 Arete (2 picks)


At first I wasn't for Wreath, on second thought it is more interesting. With both Gisena and Letty as mages now, it's a way to buff our own advancement while also growing the party.
 
Speaking of life-changing, have you heard about the Ring, our lord and savior? It's a booster and plot device all-in-one, what a bargain! Take one and get more picks for free!
 
[X] Vigor Itself
[X] Vigor Itself x2
[X] Magnitude

Dissent might have been sated, but SAVEgang reigns supreme!

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOLEEEEEENG REEEEEEEENG
 
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For those voting for Philosopher's Wreath, wouldn't choosing Experimentation rather than Control bring more synergistic results, since you would have improved both Hunger's and Gisena's affinity with their own magic systems and that would probably increase the chance of manifesting a pseudo-grace succesfully? Maybe even get one of higher quality while we're at it.
 
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Part of me feels like it's a mistake, but i don't see myself voting for

[X] Evening Sky - Philosopher's Wreath

outside of this synergistic circumstance. I personally just wanted to stop dithering and Cut Through, but now that we're here I want to maximum pump this time.

[X] Experimentation

This is also a difficult choice. Magnitude is a bit too on the nose for me. Control is actually really good and I would love it as well.

Based on the quote below, I feel pretty confident that the failure rate wont be anything close to the listed 20~30% failure chance. I'm willing to believe a dramatic increase to the success chance would be, well, dramatic.


Unlikely, physical buffs are almost the simplest Graces. It would be more fine-tuning and improvement of the existing Psuedo-Grace and an increase to the chances of success. The effect would still be dramatic, though.
 
Exalted Spirit's good too!

For those voting for Philosopher's Wreath, wouldn't choosing Experimentation rather than Control bring more synergistic results, since you would have improved both Hunger's and Gisena's affinity with their own magic systems and that would probably increase the chance of manifesting a pseudo-grace succesfully? Maybe even get one of higher quality while we're at it.

Experimentation's not the only that benefits from Wreath! And physical stats may not always be the solution.

Speaking of life-changing, have you heard about the Ring, our lord and savior? It's a booster and plot device all-in-one, what a bargain! Take one and get more picks for free!

You could consolidate with Ennobling if you wanted to get ahead of Wreath! It's a rare Advancement and only spends 2 Arete!
 
Mhm. If Save Gang is willing to move to Ennobling/Augment Dominion: Blood/Sublime Transfusion, than I would be willing to compromise and vote for it myself.
 
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