PRAXIS PRAXIS PRAXIS PRAXIS PRAXIS PRAXIS PRAXIS PRAXIS PRAXIS

Welp, change of plans: goodbye Ruling Ring, it was nice knowing you! Hello there, Cut Through, you beautiful EFB you! Rihaku did not exaggerate when he said that the sick power of Cut Through's blurb would sway votes - pretty satisfied I voted for Uttermost now.

The union of SWORD and MAGIC, bound together as the Praxis with the power of DEEP LORE. How could any other option be more compelling?

S A V E Gang! S O R D Gang! Even Magic System Gang, let us unite under the banner of Cut Through!
If only, it's not the lore filled goodie that is Praxis! It's just something equivalent. We aren't getting Praxis.

You may cry now, like I am.
 
I don't think a single reroll a day will actually solve the problem of the likely immense gap in cumaltive power breaching the inner layer might force us to face is the issue. There's also basically no chance we recoup the cost in addition to what's already needed to pick up an EFB. So it's pretty much committing to going in without one.
Yeah, no way are we burning through our reserves on Slice Fate. Nameless-approved name aside, Letrizia's consistently stayed with Verschlengorge. Making her the Devouring Sorceress sounds cool and might increase her compatibility with Versch, but it does nothing for the Temple aside from providing a daily re-roll. Useful, but not the kind of return we want on a 7 Arete investment.
 
Btw guys, Slice Fate is ultra-rare, so if you don't pick it up now you may not get the chance. Saving's important with how close you are to an EFB-equivalent, but re-roll effects are incredibly valuable for a reason. It's pretty much equivalent to ++All Stats.
Look at this foul tempter, trying to lead us astray from the rightful path of the Praxis! Rare it maybe, but it cannot compare to even the tiniest sliver of the power of the Accursed! The Praxis has hounded us through two quests. No amount of re-rolls will save us should we face an immense power gap at the Inner Temple. But an EFB can definitely see us through.
It's very much not. The differences matter.
strengths and weaknesses of the Praxis continue to apply.
A strength of the Praxis is it's multidimensional reliability. If it isn't reliable, it means a strength of the Praxis doesn't apply and the above statement is false. I do believe it's like the Praxis in every way due to the above quote. Otherwise, how could it have the exact same strengths and weaknesses?
 
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Yeah, no way are we burning through our reserves on Slice Fate. Nameless-approved name aside, Letrizia's consistently stayed with Verschlengorge. Making her the Devouring Sorceress sounds cool and might increase her compatibility with Versch, but it does nothing for the Temple aside from providing a daily re-roll. Useful, but not the kind of return we want on a 7 Arete investment.
Well we spent 7 arete on form of rage when all it did was provide a safety margin which was worse than what we'd get out of a reroll every day.
 
It's got some potential aspects as well. +% Stats applies to future +s.
True enough, i think i was a bit too hyped by the Cut trough. Still mostly based around immediate power, especially since stats likely lose relevance towards the late-game, especially as Rank becomes more and more important. Still probably great to take in the short-to-medium term.
 
It is still hooked to the Infinitive Singularity Husk apparently, so I actually think it would imitate Praxis's ability to be used in a magic-less world as well.
 
Though, they imitate Praxis really goddamn well. These are effects of the equivalent power, unless I can't read shit.

And if they are that similar so it has the equivalent power, equivalent drawbacks, equivalent everything, well. What is the difference lol

It's parallel construction, essentially. They use the same principles so are functionally identical, though some of those principles can't be accessed without the allowance of the Accursed.

Don't think it would be a problem. There are some fields not covered by Praxis, like "renewal or restoration". Plus whatever utility effects the more narrow Sword Praxis is not the best at.

The Imperial Praxis is quite bad at renewal and healing, but it theoretically can do it, alongside pretty much any other effect humans can conceive of.

Slice Fate would supplant the role of FOR as risk reduction, but even better since it doesn't only apply on death. Cut Through is enticing, though... and really, we can only pick one to have at the end of this trip.

Mm. You have been making a lot of Arete recently.

Also, if we take Stranglethorn and Super undead Chimera to double our willpower, would it be an 200% increase, or would it simply quadruble it? If it quadrubles, there is some insane sinergy between the three.

It'd be linear, so not that amazing. Still, I suppose you could stack +Willpower to 150% and +Agi to 150%.
 
Given they're an expression of the infinite singularity husk I'm not sure this is true.
The Infinite Singularity Husk is a goal and journey, not a technique. It is not unique to the Praxis.

Someone that never touches the Praxis could achieve it through alternative means. Any Progression Cursebearer is heading towards the Infinite Singularity Husk like a guided missile; most will be shot down before achieving it, but all are aimed there and if they live long enough will achieve it. Praxis or not.
 
People. My Strategic Omake Reserve exceeds 10,000 words right now. I'm using it to put an Arete bounty on Investigate the Schools. If Investigate the Schools wins this vote, I am going to release all of it.
It isn't necessarily my first choice, but I like the cut of your jib.

[X] Investigate the Schools
[X] Fierce Quickening
Remember folks, Agi is better for our build than might!
 
It is still hooked to the Infinitive Singularity Husk apparently, so I actually think it would imitate Praxis's ability to be used in a magic-less world as well.

The reason the Praxis always works is because it operates on the deepest principles of reality that the Accursed is aware of, so any equivalent effect would be equally reliable.

True enough, i think i was a bit too hyped by the Cut trough. Still mostly based around immediate power, especially since stats likely lose relevance towards the late-game, especially as Rank becomes more and more important. Still probably great to take in the short-to-medium term.

Mm, there are ways to upgrade stats with conceptual power. And stuff like +Int, +Luck etc are relevant even without it.

Well we spent 7 arete on form of rage when all it did was provide a safety margin which was worse than what we'd get out of a reroll every day.

It also discounted Uttermost by 7 Arete!

So did we hit this already with the availability of rare options presented to us? Or is this something we should be chasing further if we want it?

You did not. Actually you guys rolled a natural 1 on that check...
 
The Infinite Singularity Husk is a goal and journey, not a technique. It is not unique to the Praxis.

Someone that never touches the Praxis could achieve it through alternative means. Any Progression Cursebearer is heading towards the Infinite Singularity Husk like a guided missile; most will be shot down before achieving it, but all are aimed there and if they live long enough will achieve it. Praxis or not.


It's parallel construction, essentially. They use the same principles so are functionally identical, though some of those principles can't be accessed without the allowance of the Accursed.
The reason the Praxis always works is because it operates on the deepest principles of reality that the Accursed is aware of, so any equivalent effect would be equally reliable.

Can this stop now? It's the Sword Praxis. It has all the benefits of the Sword Praxis. It is not mysteriously worse and a trap option. This is the real thing. It's happening.
You did not. Actually you guys rolled a natural 1 on that check...
Well, at least it was there and not somewhere worse. Did the re-roll win Rihaku? Or was it the +1 arete?
 
Tally incoming:
Adhoc vote count started by BrainInAJar on Jun 21, 2020 at 12:13 AM, finished with 92 posts and 17 votes.
 
I don't think a single reroll a day will actually solve the problem of the likely immense gap in cumulative power breaching the inner layer might force us to face is the issue. There's also basically no chance we recoup the cost in addition to what's already needed to pick up an EFB. So it's pretty much committing to going in without one.

Yeah, no way are we burning through our reserves on Slice Fate. Nameless-approved name aside, Letrizia's consistently stayed with Verschlengorge. Making her the Devouring Sorceress sounds cool and might increase her compatibility with Versch, but it does nothing for the Temple aside from providing a daily re-roll. Useful, but not the kind of return we want on a 7 Arete investment.
On the flipside however, rerolling in the midst of combat isn't the best use of it. Rerolling the encounter when we pick an option, especially considering we generally only pick one major fight a day, would be wonderful though. Not having to fight an overwhelmingly powerful opponent when we're hoping for that's truly powerful or even just an uneventful fight that still nets us 3+ picks would be wonderful.
 
[X] Hot Springs And Go
[X] Fierce Quickening


I prefer to heal Hunger as much as possible and at least manage to sate the black hole that is Letrizia stomach than anything else(also bonus +0.75 arete). Now Slice of fate seems quite good and I am tempted but Valor with its two stances is so close and it will fix a lot of issues of our build so I will remain steadfast.

EDIT: Although if we take Slice fate we can more safely fight the Rotbeast(which is an undead for some reason)
 
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On the flipside however, rerolling in the midst of combat isn't the best use of it. Rerolling the encounter when we pick an option, especially considering we generally only pick one major fight a day, would be wonderful though. Not having to fight an overwhelmingly powerful opponent when we're hoping for that's truly powerful or even just an uneventful fight that still nets us 3+ picks would be wonderful.

Yup! Getting to avoid %overwhelming / %death checks on encounter rolls is very helpful. Doesn't save you from the Apocryphal Curse, though.

However, you are somewhat ahead of the Apocryphal curve already...
 
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