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What about Diagram?
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Rihaku
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Are you accounting for the reduced Arete income from options themselves? You got 2 just for coming to the Temple, and +0.5 later.
"Accretion" is not a skill, no. Masters are those who are skilled in the arts that acquire Rank, or otherwise have lots of Rank. Remember, in his first world Rank wasn't quantified or even named. Some people were simply great on a mythic scale, usually from completing progressively more impressive feats with the help of their artifacts, and they just accepted that as the natural order.
Hunger does actively use the causality warping function at times, often channeled through [Ring of Power].
There is a skill that can be used at very high Ranks for massively concentrating one's influence into an area (this is how Armaments become invincible within their Shrouds) or other feats of Pressure manipulation, but that was, to his knowledge, unknown in Hunger's world, and wholly discrete from the skillset required to acquire Rank as a non-Armament.
It is theoretically possible for Rank to hinder you with your own habits, but usually people have broad enough legends and are "doing what they would have done anyway."
A valid concern given we had to deal with a literal soul nuke in Terrascape. After a dungeon, even!
I'm not sure what it says about us that we've got three advancements this way already.
Though that makes the Rank offered here even more valuable.
Timeskips don't really enthuse me. I'm sure they're going to be inevitable after a while, of course, but that's some ways off.
Yeah, Hunger's gained quite a bit of Rank in only a week, getting more +Rank per Feat than almost anyone else. The power of Progression! Not as much as he theoretically could have, of course...
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Wait does this imply there are multiple other characters also accruing Rank and Feats or am I taking crazy pills?
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We can SORD GUDDER if we have more Arete and Information. stinky maeg bilds are lucky to have this option coincide with theirs.
The Diagram was just a means to an end, and Bone Daddy's Legacy. I will die on this fucking mole hill. Extrusion was one of the best developments for EFB.
On a side note, for real real and not play play:
I've got this feeling that we're all still sorta riding on EFB Setting Mechanics instead of fully focusing on what ASTI is actually offering us. There are some uses to the former, yeah, but not all lessons learned translate properly to the new one in my opinion.
Useful reminders all in all, but they're not stuff we should be wholesale banking on to see us through for ASTI
I took it as a comparison to people from our former world and the locals who try advancing their Ranks.
I've seen through you, you just want to SORD more!
Edit: Not that it doesn't feel good in its own way...
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What was it that Bone Daddy always said?
No price was too great? Fuck the seasons? Vengeance at All Costs?
I might remember more if we actually increased our rank but /shrug
"You'll take this diet and you'll like it, idiot child."
Tyranschal may have been a better lecturer, but Baenlixnaire taught us what really matters. Speaking like this.
DarkSideBard
Flying, without moving on
I pointed people this way from r/rational's weekly recommendation thread a few days ago, but I would be surprised if was that many people.
For sure! Think about how big this Realm is supposed to be, and how much weird Astral shit happens here. There have to be plenty of people on heroic journeys and stuff just out there. And for a normal person, I'm sure that you could accrue Rank at the low end doing less impressive things as initial Feats (think of folklore figures like Paul Bunyan, William Tell, Momotaro, etc.).
If Rank can't be gained naturally, like it could in Hunger's last world, individuals might still be able to gain it here through some sort of Astral Technology! Letrizia implies that they know that people can have Rank, which maybe means that they have the means to do it with sufficiently advanced tech. But I was also thinking you could do it in a low tech way by doing engineering or alchemy with parts from astral beasts. Mostly I've been thinking about it because of the series of longer connected omakes I'm doing, but yeah, that's my speculation.
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LordOfMurder
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Given we have to reign for 50 years out of a 2500 year time limit just to finish our first mission, I think timeskips are going to be both inevitable and plentiful.
This probably qualifies as a rational quest but I doubt we count as rational questers.
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Lealope
Not yet invincible
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To say nothing of the decreased Arete generation due to the less tense circumstances. On balance it would probably be better and we'd be more likely to save but I don't think we'd be quite as close to an EFB as it might seem.
LordOfMurder
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If we're taking Gisena we can afford the short term hit to social from not taking the rank since she's better at it anyway. Stranglethorn gives plenty of immediate power in the form of tons of str and con. It's doubling applies in form or rage too so we'd end up with 30 str and 48 con which is ridiculous. After taking 4 or 5 copies of echoes I think we can afford to invest in some long term benefits especially if we're Searching this update.
We might actually have been under more pressure to spend arete due to new magic systems opening up and not getting as much combat xp to prepare for Beric.
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As an aside, in hindsight ability to make it so Apocrypha can't proc more than once a month would be really fucking good. In practice ability to act without needing to care about it feels super good. I know we've made arguments that it would be useful, but seeing it in practice shows just how fucking good that option is.
That's a novel way to spell "Rank"
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If Stranglethorn doubles existing stats, then y'all should've gotten more echoes. As it is, we're closer to a regular mountain than Grampa (True) Yong.
Also, getting Stranglethorn and Hallows would've been so thematically sweet. Who knows, we might have even been able to sire a Nameless if we took Grampa Yong's build.
Also, getting Stranglethorn and Hallows would've been so thematically sweet. Who knows, we might have even been able to sire a Nameless if we took Grampa Yong's build.
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I think it's "I fought so my son could play games, and my son's son could conquer Heaven." Only Liefong could sire a Nameless, but maybe only Shen could sire a Liefang!
Memes aside, issue with Dreadnought is:
a) Mass Con kinda sucks ass. Both mass Agi and Str have ton of potential to actually do stuff and get something out of it, while Con has way too many scenarios where it just doesn't matter. Getting Opal/Iridescence with our current Echo stacks would be much better bang for your buck
b) While being tanky during FOR(and less tired afterwards) is nice, triggering it and then failing to kill enemy because we are too slow/weak would feel super bad. Ultimately, our build seeks to trigger FOR to kill stuff, not to trigger it to survive
b.1) As an addendum, note that FOR doesn't triple our stats in mechanical way, but in literal way. What that means is that we don't get 3xStr, but we are three times stronger. I've seen people do some math that ignores this..
c) TSH offers us nothing while we are in the dungeon. As both I and others explained already, the entire point of picking Moon is allowing us to convert short term options/Arete spending into value; and while making sure that options have value outside of the dungeon is nice, picking options that have no utility for setting Moon free is just bad. Also we don't get eye back so shitty piloting, worse eye powers etc.
You know what's solution to all these issues? That's right:
R A N K
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Don't get baited by this particular worm my little fishes, this is just some rando mob! Get your rank and obtain power to reach the Moon itself!
a) Mass Con kinda sucks ass. Both mass Agi and Str have ton of potential to actually do stuff and get something out of it, while Con has way too many scenarios where it just doesn't matter. Getting Opal/Iridescence with our current Echo stacks would be much better bang for your buck
b) While being tanky during FOR(and less tired afterwards) is nice, triggering it and then failing to kill enemy because we are too slow/weak would feel super bad. Ultimately, our build seeks to trigger FOR to kill stuff, not to trigger it to survive
b.1) As an addendum, note that FOR doesn't triple our stats in mechanical way, but in literal way. What that means is that we don't get 3xStr, but we are three times stronger. I've seen people do some math that ignores this..
c) TSH offers us nothing while we are in the dungeon. As both I and others explained already, the entire point of picking Moon is allowing us to convert short term options/Arete spending into value; and while making sure that options have value outside of the dungeon is nice, picking options that have no utility for setting Moon free is just bad. Also we don't get eye back so shitty piloting, worse eye powers etc.
You know what's solution to all these issues? That's right:
R A N K
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N
K
Don't get baited by this particular worm my little fishes, this is just some rando mob! Get your rank and obtain power to reach the Moon itself!
Yeah, we've gotta stay vigilant. You know the difference between swords and SORDs?
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DkArthas
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Nah, the solution to all this is to SORD HARDER (Ruinous Valor + Thousand Cuts + Pitiless Maw + Fall Of Night eventually) so that through UNLIMITED SORDING we can gain all the Ranks and Picks we would ever want.
Remember folks, the fastest way to gain Rank is through killing shit and SORD is the best choice for that.
Remember folks, the fastest way to gain Rank is through killing shit and SORD is the best choice for that.
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Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
That's exactly why you should pick Stranglethorn! Rank upgrades will be harder and harder to come by-- why not skip 20% of the grinding to get to supernova-deflecting levels of might?
Hmm, we still need a few people to achieve the beloved quadruple-tie, but it seems approval voting has paid off in dividends!
The fastest way to gain Rank is by almost dying. Which we're spectacularly good at!
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LordOfMurder
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It also doubles future stats so we can just get more echoes later!