A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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TwistedJester
Tired Lurker King
- Location
- Hell
[X] Push in Further
[X] Dreadnought
-[X] Rune King
Need I remind you guys how badass One Eye Obito was?
[X] Dreadnought
-[X] Rune King
Need I remind you guys how badass One Eye Obito was?
- Location
- Pindorama
If you want another magic system, doesn't it make more sense to Search instead? We kind of need to learn it from someone, after all.
Great, you just made Rune King my least favorite option.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Interesting, thanks for the clarification.
While it doesn't grant AGI, do the defenses it provides partially scale off of our AGI? My understanding was that it provided protections to our companions roughly "equal to our own" across all our stats and relevant abilities, and AGI does have a pretty big defensive value to go along with its offensive one.
TwistedJester
Tired Lurker King
- Location
- Hell
I guess you prefer having two Mangekyou Eyes for the sweet Susanoo?
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
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Ouch from a time standpoint. It's pretty Doomslayeresque and cool from that standpoint though. Rip and tear until it is done, it reminds me of a bit of holy text from the Doomslayer Religion in the Exitium Eternal fanfiction, presented at the threadmark titled B1-V2: REVELATIONS / TERROR (II).
Agreed. Second Stage is definitely making itself useful.
We need to make for civilization or hunt to restock on supplies soon, this looks like.
We really should have made for civilization, or hailed the outpost, or something.
I don't have anything to say about this that I haven't already said several times over...
I don't know, the Accursed has some standards for his cosmic lottery you fulfilled but in the end this is probably one of those lotteries nobody can actually deserve to win. You just win.
Fairly reasonable thing to dream about I guess, better that than some of the things it could be, given Lord Hunger's history.
I'm leaning towards Searching for humans right now, although you left the be out of "It would interesting", Rune King should help us get the information we need out of people. I guess I'm indecisive here at the moment.
An inherently lordly option especially if we take Rune King. Taking Wisdom brings back echoes of the old Philosopher King votes from Even Further Beyond and is likely to help us once we actually have territory. Why not ensure human affairs are driven by Wisdom? It delays us a bit when it comes to actually getting the arete for a Magic system to turn To Shatter Heaven on, but we get really farking tanky, we're smarter, and our broad spectrum defenses are improved.
Not bad I guess, but I've got other priorities now.
Ouch from a time standpoint. It's pretty Doomslayeresque and cool from that standpoint though. Rip and tear until it is done, it reminds me of a bit of holy text from the Doomslayer Religion in the Exitium Eternal fanfiction, presented at the threadmark titled B1-V2: REVELATIONS / TERROR (II).
Agreed. Second Stage is definitely making itself useful.
For some reason this brought the Witcher/Geralt of Rivia and how he meditates to mind. Also clanking sound effects like it's Dark Souls, possibly bonfires too I dunno.
Probably? Doesn't mean now is the time to invoke sunk cost fallacy though.
In the act of cutting you shall attain Royalty, Lord Hunger. Shatter the Gods and Topple their Thrones, hubris is a cowards word, yadda yadda yadda.
Rune King improves our Strategic thinking, makes us super tanky with that echo of the forebear we can get with it, etc. The main question is how long until we get a new magic system like Azure Moon?
We need to make for civilization or hunt to restock on supplies soon, this looks like.
He'll be back to normal the next day, no need to worry.
We definitely need to get more food for us soon. Seriously. This almost makes me want to retreat to replenish the party food supplies seeing this.
We really should have made for civilization, or hailed the outpost, or something.
I don't have anything to say about this that I haven't already said several times over...
Yeah, until she finds more esoteric uses of her power antimagic/nullification is kind of just a wet blanket power. Let's teach her Sealing. Or Ordinalism, or something.
We just have to reach the Human Sphere first and then you can live out all your technology isekai trash fantasies Gisena, maybe found an analogue to Aperture Science.
Of course you will. You just need a crafting based magic system to get started. Getting good enough to make great things necessitates you start making things.
Yeah, you just need a nice utility based magic system and all those neuroses of yours will melt away in an instant. Maybe you can even declare yourself a Philosopher King like Nameless didn't and ensure human affairs are governed by Wisdom, and merge with a Seed AI for good measure. There has to be some place in the Rihakuverse where magic hasn't killed Seed AIs.
I don't know, the Accursed has some standards for his cosmic lottery you fulfilled but in the end this is probably one of those lotteries nobody can actually deserve to win. You just win.
Fairly reasonable thing to dream about I guess, better that than some of the things it could be, given Lord Hunger's history.
I'm leaning towards Searching for humans right now, although you left the be out of "It would interesting", Rune King should help us get the information we need out of people. I guess I'm indecisive here at the moment.
This is negotiable I guess, depending on whether or not we take push in further or not.
An inherently lordly option especially if we take Rune King. Taking Wisdom brings back echoes of the old Philosopher King votes from Even Further Beyond and is likely to help us once we actually have territory. Why not ensure human affairs are driven by Wisdom? It delays us a bit when it comes to actually getting the arete for a Magic system to turn To Shatter Heaven on, but we get really farking tanky, we're smarter, and our broad spectrum defenses are improved.
I am actually kind of tempted. The problem is taking this preserves the objection to Azure Moon that we're studying it at the pace of a mortal unless we're panic researching to fulfill some kind of goal.
Not bad, but I've got other priorities now.
Not bad I guess, but I've got other priorities now.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
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Seram did so because he didn't want to leave those villagers to be slaughtered and then eaten by orcs. If you want to take risks because you consider the possibility of innocents dying to be worse than risking your life, that's a fair choice to make. But risking your life to acquire power quickly is not.
For this vote specifically, if you consider aleviating the suffering of the False Moon as quickly as possible, you might want to choose Push Onwards. If your only goal if power, that will come to us anyway, there's no need to put our life on the line.
And if you do want to help the Moon, then you have to consider the risk of your death as well. Chances are it won't be saved if we die while trying to do so because none of the other people trying to rescue her are Progression-type Cursebearers and so they likely can't scale fast enough to defeat the monsters within.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Let's get more information to feed into our big brain.
[x]Search For Humans
[x]Bring Gisena
[x]Dreadnought
-[x]Rune King
[x]Search For Humans
[x]Bring Gisena
[x]Dreadnought
-[x]Rune King
Rihaku, to everyone who voted for Sharp of Eye: "I must break you."
[X] Push in Further
[X] Dreadnought - Echo, Dreadnought's Bearing
-[X] Rune King
So, uh, now that my original vote's been rhetorically suplexed, let's go with this. Intelligence upgrades are amazingly valuable and wisdom shores up a dump stat of Hunger's. Push in is risky, but the Dreadnought's extreme durability and stamina will serve us well. The Apocryphal Curse's timer is ticking in the background; we need to resolve the Temple before our eleven remaining days are up.
[X] Push in Further
[X] Dreadnought - Echo, Dreadnought's Bearing
-[X] Rune King
So, uh, now that my original vote's been rhetorically suplexed, let's go with this. Intelligence upgrades are amazingly valuable and wisdom shores up a dump stat of Hunger's. Push in is risky, but the Dreadnought's extreme durability and stamina will serve us well. The Apocryphal Curse's timer is ticking in the background; we need to resolve the Temple before our eleven remaining days are up.
Rihaku
The Internet
I'm surprised Search for Humans is so far behind. You've finally got a breather to interact with people outside your party, why not take it and learn something of the Temple at the same? To cut through, pursue knowledge. Measure twice, cut once!
Do note that not only does Sword-arm restore your arms, it applies the effects of your Forebear's Blade to all your unarmed strikes! Think of the tactical possibilities when both your Blade and your hands (!) strike with cursed power and cut through armor like Ruin! To say nothing of the Fell-Handed Punch, power of the Saikyou hero!
One Punch, To Rule Them All...
Do note that not only does Sword-arm restore your arms, it applies the effects of your Forebear's Blade to all your unarmed strikes! Think of the tactical possibilities when both your Blade and your hands (!) strike with cursed power and cut through armor like Ruin! To say nothing of the Fell-Handed Punch, power of the Saikyou hero!
One Punch, To Rule Them All...
Zampano
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- Location
- Simping for DSB
You come the fuck on. We literally just now had a marginal AGI success against an ambush predator that could have been game over had we tried to tank it.
There is no guarantee that we can survive any given hit, especially as more conceptual nonsense comes at us from enemies more intelligent than "enormous ground worm." With a CON-tank build, we are not only destined to get hit by the unusual attack that targets our weak points; we are deliberately using our face to block it.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
We've got good intelligence and social skills(especially with Rune King), why not get more data to determine the most effective way to push inwards?
[X] Search For Humans
[X] Bring Gisena
[X] Root and Branch
I do think with Gisena along to mitigate problems and the advantages of Root and Branch we can handle dealing with adventurers one way or another. Root and Branch offers a lot of synergy with the various final forms too.
[X] Bring Gisena
[X] Root and Branch
I do think with Gisena along to mitigate problems and the advantages of Root and Branch we can handle dealing with adventurers one way or another. Root and Branch offers a lot of synergy with the various final forms too.
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Rihaku
The Internet
Unfortunately risk-taking (or at least the dogged determination to see through dangerous circumstances) is somewhat part of Hunger's characterization, though I suppose it can be shifted with further action and the right votes. It's certainly the case that you guys won't survive too much longer if you continue taking risks this absurd, though you do have Form of Rage as a short-term buffer until you challenge enemies capable of overwhelming even that.
Hmmm, can you be so certain of that?
As you would have To Shatter Heaven, that is something you could work on. Is it wise to use the same magic system Gisena does, though? At least Total Eclipse promises the unbelievable power and versatility of the Maiden, but Sorcery within its own context is probably not as versatile as Soul Evocation or magic systems of that level. Of course, Sorcery does bring the big stats to compensate.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
That's called a Sorcerer Eternal. Seram found his way into becoming one. I don't recall how Graces work as they level unfortunately though.
Enohthree
Hypersane
I'm a big fan of the restoring body parts train, but I have to admit that mentally translating the unarmed strike potential to someone who up until now was a swordsman with one arm is... hard. Sure there's cases where we'd be literally punching our way out of a situation, but there's a reason why people don't wear stabbing gauntlets/brass knuckles in their off hand even when their sword just takes up their right.
[X] Search for Humans
[X] Root and Branch
Now seems like a very good time to talk to some other parties to see if we can tailor our approach.
I feel like you missed my point here. It doesn't matter why Seram took the action that on its face was more risky, the point is that when further information was revealed the safe option was perhaps not that safe afterall. So trying to break things down into some sort of threshold of risk is always going to be imperfect. Because all choices have unknown consequences and you're never going to be able to say: "This option is only 1% on the risk scale, this one is 10%, I have no moral impetus to take the 10% so I 100% take the 1%" as that requires omniscience. This becomes very much more relevant especially when you know you're in a rising tide scenario.
[X] Root and Branch
Now seems like a very good time to talk to some other parties to see if we can tailor our approach.
I feel like you missed my point here. It doesn't matter why Seram took the action that on its face was more risky, the point is that when further information was revealed the safe option was perhaps not that safe afterall. So trying to break things down into some sort of threshold of risk is always going to be imperfect. Because all choices have unknown consequences and you're never going to be able to say: "This option is only 1% on the risk scale, this one is 10%, I have no moral impetus to take the 10% so I 100% take the 1%" as that requires omniscience. This becomes very much more relevant especially when you know you're in a rising tide scenario.
Are there any requirements for Total Eclipse other than just the 25 Arete and killing the right thing for it to appear among the options?
Rihaku
The Internet
Such are the wages of recklessness! Though an Echoes + Garden build would have been survivable in the short term, and then you could get to planting!
Fund it! Though one wonders at the execution of AAA titles these days... too much risk aversion is the death of creativity.
Luckily with Rank and the strength of dozens of men, swimming through the earth is somewhat easy at non-combat speeds, though the Evening Sky has much to be thanked-for here. Resistance to suffocation is quite relevant when there's little air around.
Yup, you would be able to set and forget certain aspects of their cultivation, only checking in a periodic intervals depending on how fast you want them grown, etc. But something to keep in mind the next time Gardener's is offered - hopefully it will be!
If the plan is to tailor your approach with what's learned, why not consider the noncommittal path of Apex?
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