A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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You know what? That deserves a vote.
[X] Yes, Obviously.
[X] Echo of the Forebear
[X] Feat: Apex - +.2 Astral Rank (2 picks)
[X] Yes, Obviously.
[X] Echo of the Forebear
[X] Feat: Apex - +.2 Astral Rank (2 picks)
Where is this coming from? Your actual vote just gives +0.2 Rank, and the Rank bonus from Dominion and Prominence doesn't scale
Dominion and Prominence both increase our Rank for purpose of Domain(we want War), meaning that their bonus applies on top of everything we have. You get new ability? It's gets amplified by additional 0.5 Rank whenever we are fighting. Total 0.5 until Rank 8, and 0.2 after Rank 8. Note that 0.45 you get after Rank 8 has pretty much the same value as 1 you get before given how ranks scale.
Scaling refers to the fact that +0.5 get progressively better as we get stronger. Going from 4.3 to 4.8 has lesser absolute value than going from 6.5 to 7.0 despite both having increase of 0.5.
Pretty much entire EFB was build on abusing this.
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When have you ever heard about honest salesmen?!
By scaling it's probably meant that the bonus won't change till we reach high Ranks? And even there the lessened bonuses will still be very valuable and have roughly similar effects. Though what do I know? I didn't research every single detail of the build, maybe there's some other kind of scaling involved.
- Location
- Pindorama
I actually like that build a lot, but currently I'm trying to make sure Stranglethorn passes consolidation. A strong second choice for me though.
Dominion and Prominence don't actually grant Rank, they grant a power boost which is being modeled as giving us "enough Rank to reproduce this effect without this pick". But because the power boost is always the same, and Rank gets ever more valuable the more you have, the effective Rank gained is ever smaller as we grow, which is spelled out in the blurb. This means they lack the core advantage of Rank, it's super-exponential scaling. You're not getting a super-special Rank boost, you're just getting a regular power boost like any other option.
Rank is the godstat, but this is a shoddy knockoff.
To be fair, by the time its reduced boni at higher Ranks become relevant, we'll probably have replaced that stuff with the Ruling Ring.
Higher level reduction is somewhat minimal - you from 0.5 to 0.2, and rank difference goes to 1=90% to 0.5=90%. Basically, on 8+ 0.5=1 pre 0.8 and you still have 0.45.
It ain't Once and Future, but we can get it before we leave the temple, so it should be super helpful for actually clearing this place.
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What, what have Crown & AaT got to do with Stranglethorn? I thought it offered +20% Rank for future advancemens.
It says all, so I was assuming it to be retroactive.
Thank you. There's a lot to keep track of in-between updates. I don't envy runeblade's job.
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Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
[X] No
[X] Hunger - Stranglethorn
[X] Undying Vanguard
[X] Retreat to the Antechamber
I massively overestimated Stranglethorn's popularity, it seems. But there's no way to be fussed about it, everything here is great. I can bear with voting for either form (one-eyed or bare) of the Forebear's Bearing, great for Ber, it would be a bear to vote for anything other than the Forebear's Bearing. Con and Wits are great for b(lade)-air? This is probably becoming unbearable for you, sorry.
...still voting for Stranglethorn, lol. It doesn't currently have a stranglehold on votes, but it doesn't grow on trees, you know.
[X] Hunger - Stranglethorn
[X] Undying Vanguard
[X] Retreat to the Antechamber
I massively overestimated Stranglethorn's popularity, it seems. But there's no way to be fussed about it, everything here is great. I can bear with voting for either form (one-eyed or bare) of the Forebear's Bearing, great for Ber, it would be a bear to vote for anything other than the Forebear's Bearing. Con and Wits are great for b(lade)-air? This is probably becoming unbearable for you, sorry.
...still voting for Stranglethorn, lol. It doesn't currently have a stranglehold on votes, but it doesn't grow on trees, you know.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
[X] Yes, Obviously
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor (3 picks)
-[X] Zweihander
[X] A Thousand Cuts [7 Arete]
[X] Forebear's Blade - Ruinous Valor (3 picks)
-[X] Zweihander
[X] A Thousand Cuts [7 Arete]
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
I suppose I can be fine with Sharp of an Eye winning. Even if I rather prefer Rune King and it's unlimited potential along with +Competence.
Getting a +wis option isn't easy..
Having said that, I preferred the build vote in the previous update, where they came prepackaged into various strats.
Getting a +wis option isn't easy..
Having said that, I preferred the build vote in the previous update, where they came prepackaged into various strats.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
The way I see risk probabilities with Stanglethorn and retreat are something like:
80% chance we don't encounter any enemies.
30% chance the enemies are knight level or lower and thus not a threat.
10% chance that with our much higher strength, we manage to take out whatever the threatening enemy is while losing less than 10% health.
80% chance that Form of Rage triggers successfully and kills whatever the enemy is.
So I'm estimating something like a (0.2*0.7*0.9)= 12% chance of needing Form of Rage with Stranglethorn, and a (0.12*0.2)= 2.5% chance of actual death.
Those odds aren't zero, but they definitely aren't high either.
80% chance we don't encounter any enemies.
30% chance the enemies are knight level or lower and thus not a threat.
10% chance that with our much higher strength, we manage to take out whatever the threatening enemy is while losing less than 10% health.
80% chance that Form of Rage triggers successfully and kills whatever the enemy is.
So I'm estimating something like a (0.2*0.7*0.9)= 12% chance of needing Form of Rage with Stranglethorn, and a (0.12*0.2)= 2.5% chance of actual death.
Those odds aren't zero, but they definitely aren't high either.
- Location
- Pindorama
I mean, why did we even get Form of Rage if not for moments like this? Picking Stranglethorn and going back is literally an ideal scenario where it would be great to have a panic button to protect us. If we can't rely on Form of Rage for that much, why did we even buy it?