Nameless vs. Accretion would probably be the example to put under a microscope, since he is both cursed by destiny to lack a name and the embodiment of the Dao of Himself. However much of the Accretion interacts with names would fail against him outright, but if any part of it doesn't that would interact as usual. Not that it would win - Accretion cuts itself into a Universe's psychic foundation, but Nameless can literally throw a Universe made of himself over his back and carry it around like Shrek. It's not a contest.
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Lealope
Not yet invincible
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You've sold me on them too.
[X] Seven Seals
[X] Balance
Would have preferred Wishes over the Regalia but this is otherwise a perfectly viable and sensible plan. Most importantly of all, Balance provides us with the most competent version of the Hero. This may not sound important but Rihaku is extremely stingy with general competence upgrades to our characters and they should be taken whenever possible. If there's one thing making Indexes has taught me, its that the QM's handholding is at least as important as our fanwork bonuses when it comes to our success.
Besides, who doesn't want to seal the heavens?
Shard
One and Many
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[X] Accretion
[X] Balance
You know what I'll put a vote here for now. There's something to be said for maybe not going full comfy/full power.
[X] Balance
You know what I'll put a vote here for now. There's something to be said for maybe not going full comfy/full power.
I doubt it will be anywhere near as problematic as Extrusion.
Rihaku
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Depends if Hunger is an iconic part of your core panoply. You don't really want to go past 2-3 signature items/techniques/locales until you get really high up there. People have limited memories and you don't have full control of what they will choose to associate with your legend. You can nudge things by prominently bringing up the ring at critical moments and displaying it openly, but it's not completely your say.
Isn't it great?
I know right? Vote Balance today!
But the Praxis is so demanding, if you go full Sword you won't have many opportunities to explore other arts, especially if you want to ramp up quickly!
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Sorry, I meant with sword.
Don't worry! We haven't had much of a chance to influence the Hero yet, so we're safe on that count
Which makes it so very convenient that these votes are seperate! After all, if one of them fails, but the other wins, then I have a consolation prize. Its two chances to win, this way!
Shard
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Eh, Nameless is Thrice Great and has like 47 BP and a whole quest worth of powerups in a xianxia setting. He is close to the max of his power, not surprising for someone who had more plot oomph than two/three xianxia protaganists combined exponentially.
Rihaku
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HERO: This cucumber is an integral part of my legend... with it, I can infuse all my will and the bitter tidings of my life into a singular being, shriveling its untainted flesh... I art thou and thou art I: Pickle Hero, Solenya...
Haha, I've got to revert my vote. Battle Magic grows on me the more I think about its interactions.
[X] Balance
[X] Battle Mastery
Balance honestly seems the most suitable for me to enjoy playing the more I think about it, we should be able to get its first slumber mitigation in not too hellishly long a time period, even if further ones likely won't happen, other than that I'm not too fussed about the champion issue. The novelty of actually experiencing sidequest hell in a written playable medium is sure to wear off, but it does exist and should help carry me through the early annoyance until we're able to outgrow/mitigate having to deal with the worst of it.
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Shard
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Well Balance is the only QM-made option so from a meta perspective is probably highly optimized for at least Rihaku's enjoyment. Which means more updates and higher quest longevity. In theory anyway.
So like, wear a Crown everywhere?
Lealope
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If you mean on a meta-level, then sure because we weren't going to squeeze more than 50 BP out. But in universe, withthe Logos, his Incarnation and Immortal Awakening and a Truespelled Essence Grand, he's still has four enormous powerups within more or less immediate reach. Between that and Zang Kong pushing him to greater heights, I sincerely doubt he's anywhere near his apogee.
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Rihaku
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If you get Gisena, her Graces make it straightfoward to achieve first mitigation of any non-Doom Curse within a reasonable period of time. She's a highly specialized Third Coalescence Sorceress, basically the definition of a powerful archmage with respect to this specific application!
KidFromPallet
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[X] Vendetta
-[X] Remittance: The Sword
[X] Seven Seals
Swapped back to Seals because I'm indecisive. While Accretions is undeniably powerful, being stuck with only 2-3 effects that we don't have real control over is kinda suboptimal. Even though Seals don't have quite the power available to them that Accretions do, the ability to have access to lots more effects definitely offsets that.
With Seals, a Vendetta Protagonist at least has some easy seals to cast and effects that he could use to bootstrap himself up. But with Accretion, there doesn't seem to be a way of training it naturally, relying on the slow speed of a Legend to congeal around you.
Seals gives us growth quicker, gives us access to sorely needed utility options, and still has room to grow via conceptual affects. Sorry, Accretion, but the lure of functional utility magic is too strong.
-[X] Remittance: The Sword
[X] Seven Seals
Swapped back to Seals because I'm indecisive. While Accretions is undeniably powerful, being stuck with only 2-3 effects that we don't have real control over is kinda suboptimal. Even though Seals don't have quite the power available to them that Accretions do, the ability to have access to lots more effects definitely offsets that.
With Seals, a Vendetta Protagonist at least has some easy seals to cast and effects that he could use to bootstrap himself up. But with Accretion, there doesn't seem to be a way of training it naturally, relying on the slow speed of a Legend to congeal around you.
Seals gives us growth quicker, gives us access to sorely needed utility options, and still has room to grow via conceptual affects. Sorry, Accretion, but the lure of functional utility magic is too strong.
Do we need marriage counseling? We might need marriage counseling.
As if that lazy bastard is going to sincerely train in anything but life-threatening circumstances.
Is that reasonable in Cursebearer time or normal people time?
Shard
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In theory yes. In practice, did you see how lazy he was in unlocking his True Incarnation or facing Immortal Awakening? Although I guess with enough time it will probably happen eventually.
I waa wondering, can Aprochral Curse be mitigated, and if so what are the forms? Additionally, could we mitigate the 'moral abhorrence' part of the Geas of Indenture?
Can a Lesser Remitance upgrade 3 Wishes or Regalia's Fortune to 'naturally recharge', similar to NG+?
Rihaku
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I feel like if I start giving any details about the wife then waifuism will start to grip the thread and it'll disrupt the vote. She'd have a unique Soul Evocation if Seven Seals is picked as well, the only system with broadly available commonalities is Battle Magic.
While I don't think Accretion is quite as convenient or powerful as its supporters may espouse, the primary benefit is not the 2-3 utility tricks but rather the increased metaphysical potency when hero and object are united. In White Wolf terms, it'd be comparable to raising your Essence / Arete / Blood Potency / Gnosis in a world where most people have a value of 1 or 0 in that stat. Your shit works well on them, their shit doesn't work well on you, even if on face it's numerically superior, and you have access to effects that just trump them in certain situations.
Nah, just abandon your daughter for 20 years while you travel the multiverse and develop cool inventions. Absence only makes the heart grow fonder.
He did make himself enjoy training to force the Extrusion to train... is spite a life-threatening circumstance, really?
Which is faster in your view?
Yes, the Apocryphal Curse can be mitigated. Common forms are, "make it so that it only triggers every X years," causing catastrophic events every time but giving you some peace of mind in the interim, or just "make it less bad / less frequent."
Lealope
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And just like that, I would fight to the death against Accretion.
Eh. He actually enjoys the Diagram and is probably gonna resurrect all his childhood heroes so that's Logos and True Essence Grand taken care of. Immortal Awakening will happen inevitably after raising Kong's powerlevel enough as per their deal because he'd never want Zang to be stronger than what he could deal with. As for Incarnation, I'm sure life experience and the example of Suizhen would let him grasp it after a few centuries.
Genesys
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Hrm.
While Seals is most complementary to Praxis at higher levels, probably, Battle Magic I suspect is most useful to immediate survival. And considering how far Dread has fallen behind now, at this point it's probably a better idea to switch back to Vengeance+Sword, as my decision matrix is still the same and no real evidence has been presented that would significantly change it.
Balance is approximately on par with Dread, so as a tactical option, not worthwhile for the time being. I may consider it later if it hits half of Vengeance, though.
I don't really have super-strong opinions on these magic systems, though.
[X] Vendetta
-[X] Remittance: The Sword
[X] Battle Magic
While Seals is most complementary to Praxis at higher levels, probably, Battle Magic I suspect is most useful to immediate survival. And considering how far Dread has fallen behind now, at this point it's probably a better idea to switch back to Vengeance+Sword, as my decision matrix is still the same and no real evidence has been presented that would significantly change it.
Balance is approximately on par with Dread, so as a tactical option, not worthwhile for the time being. I may consider it later if it hits half of Vengeance, though.
I don't really have super-strong opinions on these magic systems, though.
[X] Vendetta
-[X] Remittance: The Sword
[X] Battle Magic
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
In that case I'm going for...
[x]Vendetta
-[x]Remittance: King's Scepter
[x]Seven Seals
[x]Vendetta
-[x]Remittance: King's Scepter
[x]Seven Seals
In the immortal words of the Extrusion: "Meh, we can take 'em."
Edit: Not that he was wrong per se, but...