I've got a somewhat odd question for @Rihaku.

Have you ever read Elinor Ostrom's Governing the Commons? What you said earlier "The lesson has always been that voters, lacking a strong coordination and commitment mechanism, typically go for the shiny before them! Which is not necessarily the wrong decision most of the time. " bears an uncanny echo to to that book, which mentions the problems of collective action for a set of principals are

1. Supplying a new set of institutions
2. Making Credible Commitments
3. Mutual Monitoring
 
Note that Evening Sky includes both the Pearlescence capped line as well as Philosopher's Wreath. You could go something like Irisdescence - Philosopher's Wreath, for example!

Mhm, does it matter? It will win some vote. Scaling Rank is just way too good to pass up, and once you go Ring you can't go back. Will we really refuse to spend 2 Arete for 0.25 scaling combat boost? And then we get there bit by bit.

It'll matter if you're dead! And Arete once expended will be a long climb to get to 7 again, much less 9 or 27!

Hmm, the power is much more effective than I'd thought. We'd been told it would be several weeks or something? Not that I'm complaining, I'm just pleasantly surprised.

She's not fully healed, she's just able to walk and talk without much pain.

That's all the more reason to keep teasing her! She just keeps walking into it, how is our Hero supposed to resist?

Will.

Or having no sense of humor.

Is Opalescence - Iridescence - Pearlscence line similar to Vanguard in that they cost a single pick/7 Arete for all of them? Because boy, that would be some real fucking value right there.

Nope, they cost 1 pick each! You're right that Echo of the Forebear is a very efficient line of advancements, however. Shame you didn't buy any...

I've got a somewhat odd question for @Rihaku.

Have you ever read Elinor Ostrom's Governing the Commons? What you said earlier "The lesson has always been that voters, lacking a strong coordination and commitment mechanism, typically go for the shiny before them! Which is not necessarily the wrong decision most of the time. " bears an uncanny echo to to that book, which mentions the problems of collective action for a set of principals are

1. Supplying a new set of institutions
2. Making Credible Commitments
3. Mutual Monitoring

I haven't, but the idea is pretty common. Convergent evolution of principles occurs when a given need arises in multiple contexts.
 
Twilight Throw-down

The jungle trembled with every great step Verschlengorge took. It did not, however, tremble in fear. Many of the denizens of this shaded path fled, but just as many stalked, anticipating the meal that might be won from this new challenger to their bestial lords. Few indeed had ever come so far into their domain, and such a spectacle was tempting to the scavengers and opportunists of the Voyaging Realm. But for all that the prize was great, every step that the interlopers took was further into the contested heart of the jungle.

Their journey began with fighting off great predators, trailed by a growing swarm of eager vultures. Now, as the trees began to rise over Verschlengorge's hunched form, the lesser creatures of the jungle fell away. Birdsong and the murmur of insects left them shortly afterwards.

Gisena stood like a splendid beacon atop the shoulder of the machine, keen green eyes searching the brush and canopy for enchantment as often as they locked on to Hunger's form. The titular bodyguard was as terse as he'd been since their journey began, senses strained to their peak even as his ring pulled his focus towards their distant goal.

"I've lost radar." Letrizia whispered through Verschlengorge.

"Oh! I suspect that's the content of the foliage!" Gisena replied. She plucked a fruit as Verschlengorge ducked under the heavy branches of a tree.

"They're metallic! I've always wondered about the taste of a gem.." she continued, turning the faceted fruit over in her hands, noting the brilliance of the cut in addition to the heft of the thing, she tossed it at Hunger's head below her.

The hired help dodged the offering without a glance. His gaze locked on the river their route lead across. "Toxic before you even touched it." He noted. "You've really out-done yourself, Allria."

"You're safe from my efforts this time, sir, they're far too flammable to cook!" Gisena chirped.

"F-Flammable?" Letrizia's concern came calling from Vershlengorge's remaining external speakers.

"Don't jinx it." Hunger grumbled. "After we ford this river we're meant to follow a cliff for about eight kilometers. We'll leave the jungle behind in another hour."

The river was slow as to be still, crystal clear and vast. Verschlengorge was up to its chest in water and mud, and climbing over the roots of the massive mangroves as much as it was walking. Hunger scouted out their path through the bog, finding a way that the ponderous wounded mecha could navigate. The emerald canopy above them thinned enough to allow the last rays of morning in. Sunbeams caught in the treasure-trees scattered out across the river, a vista almost blindingly brilliant after the damp dark of the deeper jungle.

Lord Hunger hopped across great distances, and managed a fierce one-arm stroke through the waters when the gaps were too vast. As their party drew up to the far shore, he signaled a halt.

When Verschlengorge stopped, all was still. The sunbeams tracked slowly across its scarred vestment, providing a backdrop which Gisena handily out shined. In her hands, light dimmed and the world seemed less, as she prepared for what was to come.

On the bank, the stones lining the river stirred, as a massive creature tore itself from is basking place, impatient for its meal to arrive. The stony hide of the beast was shot through with seams of ore. Rust red scars marked its swollen underbelly, and more noble metals snaked among the cracks and edges of its great stony scales. Its six legs propelled it half-up the mangrove it had slept so near, and its the two dull eyes on either side of its head were outshone by the incandescent third orb glowing in its brow.

"A newt!" Gisena proclaimed, even as Hunger cast Evening Sky into Verschlengorge's waiting grasp, dashing towards the beast unbothered by his starry tether. Her nullity blast splashed across the beasts immense nose to no visible effect

"It's hot!" Letrizia announced, voice tense and cool now that combat was imminent.

"I can see that." Hunger struck first, Forebear's blade finding an alarming degree of resistance from the beasts rocky hide, before a jet of white-hot fluid drove him back. Evening Sky provided a measure of protection, rendering the glancing spray down from a terrible burn into an irritating splash across his cheek.

"Obviously!" Letrizia shot back, "It's radioactive! Limit your exposure!"

Hunger cut back his reply as the Salamander's throat swelled up, heralding the holocaust of nuclear material which the beast expelled in his general direction. As he deftly avoided the attack, his ring pulsed on his finger, and he couldn't help but taste the still-burning ichor sliding down his jaw. Salty. And hot enough to kill, although the sensation and harm was muted by the ring's vast will. Blood was blood, after all, no matter the chemistry.

Gisena released a sharp gasp at the massive heat and rising plume of steam from the Salamander's blast, retreating to join Letrizia in the cockpit. As she deftly worked the seals, she was nearly thrown from Vershengorge's back by the explosion of a nearby fruit. Letrizia helped her inside, where she gently probed the new pain in her thigh.

"I'll get us into the lake!" Letrizia offered, focus and worry warring across her face as she turned back to the controls. Gisena steadied herself on the cot, medical chest thrown open as she examined her injury. "Will you be alright?" Letrizia questioned.

"Marvelous!" Gisena replied, bloody jewel held steady in a forcep. "It matches my eyes!"

Outside, Hunger dodged shrapnel from the towering inferno around him. The river boiled as the mangroves caught one-another alight, their fruits cooking off like thunder above him, casting razor sharp seeds out for miles around. The Salamander's deceptively lazy gait following him as he tried to move their battle away from the growing inferno. Verschlengorge tugged insistently on Evening Sky, and he allowed himself to be pulled away from the beast and into the waters. A brisk boil abated after the first few meters, and then he was beneath the river, watching the world burn above him as seed-shards shot through the clear water around him. He grasped a green pod as it went by, idly noting the color matched Gisena's eyes as it cooled.

"We have air for days, and I still have that haunch of Conventional Critter in the cooler." Letrizia offered. Hunger signaled negative, the quick cut of the Forebear's blade through the water punctuating his disagreement. The map wouldn't keep, and they had no way of knowing how long the forest might burn. He pointed, and Verschlengorge nodded in agreement. Thrown out of the river in a vertical arc, he spotted the Salamander waiting patiently by the shore, ready for its cooked dinner to float to the surface. Kicking off a passing sunbeam, Hunger propelled himself toward the gleaming eye of the beast, which reared back to accept his generous surrender. He cut, and the beast tasted ruin rather than flesh. Howling its anger at his continuing resistance, the Salamander was open for a moment when he landed among its conflagration.

Hunger took every advantaged offered to him. A white-knuckled strike with the Forebear's blade tore into the gullet of the beast, and the following blade-wind opened the wound further. As the beast reared back, and began to swell in anticipation of his annihilation, hunger stood ready. The moment before the beast could release his doom, he pulled tight on his Ring's connection. The burning blood sang its willingness to comply, and the flaw in its neck-sack sprang open. A torrent of firey death shot out, to embrace him, but under his power, not the creature's. Drinking deeply of the deadly ichor, Hunger felt his hold on the beast grow stronger. He burned, within and without, but his Ring saw his flesh accepting the offered poison with relish, and Evening Sky kept him sheltered enough to continue. Their match ended with a wimper, even as the riot of flames continued around them.

Exsanguinated, the Salamander finally lay down to die before him. Its shinining eye slowly dimmed, until it was just another jewel reflecting the fire around them.

As Verschlengorge rose from the water and approached the shore, Letrizia's amused "Oh!" rang from the speakers, followed by the silence of an interior conversation.

Gisena's melodious cackle joined her.

Looking down at his gem-powdered form, sparkling in the last light of sunset, the newly minted vampire sighed.

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1400. I found a way to meme at the end so I'm pretty stoked with this one!

Gimmie blood! It's good for memes and I really like Bloodborne. False moon synergy for my insight collection as well!
I'd also take Passion, but I'm not sure how lewd I can be allowed to go..

[X] The Scenic Route
[X] Conservative
- Letrizia in Verschlengorge, Gisena to Protect Them, Explore Temple Yourself

I'm ready to accept death in the temple! Let's just get there alive.

Edit: @Thomasfoolery , I see you! better get your hand on that remove-like button till you read it! (not that I'm not guilty of that myself some times)
 
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Why would he do that? Walking XP bags exist to become XP reified!
I'm morbidly curious about what an interlude from Ber's perspective would look like. Full solipsism, to a degree that makes Seralize's entitlement seem empathetic? Does he believe the world literally exists for his entertainment? That's either a severe misconception or one hell of a coping mechanism. Could be that he dissociated from a reality his Gamer powers equipped him to handle but he was mentally unprepared for, and forced himself to view human adversaries through a familiar lens in order to adapt to the new world. The orcish propensity for pathological valor was convenient for Seram, in that regard.

Or maybe he's just a sociopath who dumped empathy during his metaphorical chargen and I'm reaching harder than a sailor. He didn't seem too traumatized, apart from the confidence-boosting mutterings, or like anything other than an asshole. It's semi-relevant, though, because with high enough charisma we might try and combine social & physical attacks to break his resolve during the boss fight. If his 'every enemy is just an XP piñata waiting to be popped' mindset's fragile, it could help.
 
Interesting, Evening Sky and Ring of Power now have significant omake power behind them, while Forebear's Blade leads on votes! This is closer than I expected!
 
I'm torn between Blade and Ring, really. We want something from both of them.

I'm morbidly curious about what an interlude from Ber's perspective would look like. Full solipsism, to a degree that makes Seralize's entitlement seem empathetic? Does he believe the world literally exists for his entertainment? That's either a severe misconception or one hell of a coping mechanism. Could be that he dissociated from a reality his Gamer powers equipped him to handle but he was mentally unprepared for, and forced himself to view human adversaries through a familiar lens in order to adapt to the new world. The orcish propensity for pathological valor was convenient for Seram, in that regard.
It appears Ber is a recent Isekai arrival, so he is probably still trying to process whatever the hell happened that brought him here. As such it simply hasn't sunk in yet that all of this is real, that all of the people are real, and that he is actually putting his life on the line.

Depending on his Power and Destiny he may not be capable of realizing that, even.

Honestly if we could tear Destiny's hold off from over him and make him realize what's really up he would probably be a useful companion. Tragically those are probably beyond us, at the moment. If we successfully survive the dungeon run we may very well be strong enough to pull it off after, though.
 
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Hm, it's not hemokinesis really. Think of it like Vilya, if Vilya's domain was blood, and its power more focused. You don't bleed out. Your enemies bleed profusely. Your blood sings with vigor and strength; theirs quails before you, weakening their resolve and possibly their vitality. Sufficiently vulnerable enemies might be struck dead with a gesture, their hearts giving out before your will. On larger timescales and greater scope is where it really shines. You could basically elevate a species of ordinary mortals into the Dunedain, or suppress and weaken the lands of your enemies, unleashing plagues of the blood against which they have little defense. With sufficient mastery you could boil the blood of their armies in their veins. Most importantly, all these effects have high conceptual weight, so they're harder to stop than more overt magics cast by someone of your Rank.
This made me much more interested in in Chief Domain, not gonna lie. Still think it's not the best right now, but it's pretty good.

Hmm, I think Blade winning is fine for now since Maw is conjuctional advancement with it and it may offer us Thousand Cuts as well. I wouldn't want to pass up on +0.25 from War Domain, but otherwise I don't think Ring has the most helpful upgrades for the Temple right now. So I'm switching.

[X] The Quickest Route
[X] Risky
[X] The Forebear's Blade
 
Current vote count?

Or maybe he's just a sociopath who dumped empathy during his metaphorical chargen and I'm reaching harder than a sailor. He didn't seem too traumatized, apart from the confidence-boosting mutterings, or like anything other than an asshole. It's semi-relevant, though, because with high enough charisma we might try and combine social & physical attacks to break his resolve during the boss fight. If his 'every enemy is just an XP piñata waiting to be popped' mindset's fragile, it could help.

HUNGER: Those are real people, with real lives that you're ending.

BEARIC: They're real people, with real lives that're worth XP. And so are you.

BEARIC: Wish I could see how much, though.

I'm torn between Blade and Ring, really. We want something from both of them.

And yet so little Arete to spend!
 
Hmm, I think Blade winning is fine for now since Maw is conjuctional advancement with it and it may offer us Thousand Cuts as well. I wouldn't want to pass up on +0.25 from War Domain, but otherwise I don't think it has the most helpful upgrades for the Temple right now. So I'm switching.
I do think depending what pops up we may not want to try goin for rank ups next, as we really need stronger baseline stats, and while rank is very good it has a heavy trade off - it's largely why our might is so low.

And yet so little Arete to spend!
Well, one of the best Blade ones doesn't require Arete, if we can get Ruinous Valor. Though that comes at the price of being 3 picks. Still worth pairing it with Undying Vanguard though, maybe. If I can convince people to go for the longer-term two arm version. We gave up unshattered, I don't want us to change our minds on getting Hunger back up to full for something so much weaker!

HUNGER: Those are real people, with real lives that you're ending.

BEARIC: They're real people, with real lives that're worth XP. And so are you.

BEARIC: Wish I could see how much, though.
Is that Bearic speaking or is that his version of Gamer's Mind mind fucking him into not having a breakdown? Being Destiny totally cheats like that. Also you apparently just gave us his name after not saying it earlier, lol.
 
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[X] The Really Scenic Route
[X] Risky
[X] The Forebear's Blade


The ring of power effects are all really cool and would be incredibly useful for empire building but sadly not that relevant to a dungeon crawl when we need immediate offensive power.

Fall of night is an excellent offensive boost providing some nice combat stats while boosting the effectiveness of our blade winds meaning we can pursue more of a hit and run approach to combat rather than having to be in our opponents face in order to damage them.

Form of Rage is super powerful but the downsides and limitations are even worse. Can't use it unless you're about to die, have to be killed twice first, can only be used for one battle and costs us either an arete or an advancement. If we ever have to use this while low on arete like we will be right after purchasing it we'll have to sacrifice parts of our build. It even makes us tired so if we use it twice in a day we're automatically exhausted again. Not worth.

Evening Sky upgrades are all quite good in a vacuum, especially Pearlesence which provides another avenue of progression. But with our offensive power lacking at the moment doubling down on protection doesn't seem particularly like a good idea.

With that in mind I'm voting for forebear's blade. This contains the undying vanguard options as well as fall of night both of which are pretty good in this situation. Undying Vanguard also gives us a few stats from the prerequisites and fall of night adds extra on top making us quite a bit more effective at combat and the added range on the wind blades gives us more tactical flexibility.

More importantly Undying Vanguard lets us bring Gisena with us, I'm not sure how conservative voters think we're going to solo this dungeon ourselves if we run into an engineering trap or something with magical regen without Gisena. Plus she more than doubles our combat strength.

Still really scenic route for the boosted rank and arete, as well as the extra xp picks.
 
I'm pretty sure that there is a high change that even if we survive really scenic we probably aren't going to end up actually entering the dungeon, as we'll have too many complications to risk it. So this should definitely be factored in to the choice.

(I suspect any additional debuff will give us a chance to back out, and two or more Hunger is competent enough to just go "No. Not happening. As these are significant changes to our situation and Hunger is competent and not suicidal.)
 
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HUNGER: Those are real people, with real lives that you're ending.

BEARIC: They're real people, with real lives that're worth XP. And so are you.

BEARIC: Wish I could see how much, though.
So much for my brief flirtation with optimism. At least we know his name now, and can lay into him with unbearable puns. Or taunt him with having two resource tracks, that might grind his gears. We may not have enough Arete, but he has none! Maybe ask him for tips on optimizing once we kill him and take that 'system' of his.
 
I'm pretty sure that there is a high change that even if we survive really scenic we probably aren't going to end up actually entering the dungeon, as we'll have too many complications to risk it. So this should definitely be factored in to the choice.

(I suspect any additional debuff will give us a chance to back out, and two or more Hunger is competent enough to just go "No. Not happening. As these are significant changes to our situation and Hunger is competent and not suicidal.)
provided we don't die, increased power from the kills could more than compensate for the debuffs we may pick up.
 
Honestly if we could tear Destiny's hold off from over him and make him realize what's really up he would probably be a useful companion. Tragically those are probably beyond us, at the moment. If we successfully survive the dungeon run we may very well be strong enough to pull it off after, though.
I fear we're not yet cool enough to recruit someone named Bearic. Perhaps if our ring were instead the ring of bears...
 
So much for my brief flirtation with optimism. At least we know his name now, and can lay into him with unbearable puns. Or taunt him with having two resource tracks, that might grind his gears. We may not have enough Arete, but he has none! Maybe ask him for tips on optimizing once we kill him and take that 'system' of his.

Would you even want it, though? Who has need of a gamer's system when you have one designed by the Accursed?
 
I basically see Form of Rage as 'if dying against something twice as fast and strong and overall better than you that you can't escape from, spend 1 Arete to win and survive with a full heal'
Something I imagine's going to come in handy when running head first into a trap where even the route to the trap has monsters that could outright kill us.

I'm still completely unconvinced that leaving Gisena behind is something we can make work.
She managed to stay alive by herself for an hour with all three of Ber's company trying to invade at once, simply by throwing out blanket portal disruptions. Ber's now down by two buddies, and we can work out signalling if he starts trying to encroach. Maybe having the mecha blast the temple so we know when to retreat and help.
 
[X] The Scenic Route
[X] Risky
[X] The Evening Sky


Additional comfy update equals more time for Arete to pile up before we go in, switching to Scenic.
 
[X] The Scenic Route
[X] Risky
[X] The Evening Sky


Additional comfy update equals more time for Arete to pile up before we go in, switching to Scenic.
Why would it equal more time for Arete to pile up? My assumption is we probably end up with more or less the same update schedule either way, with the slowest RL one being because of boss interrupts we get time to come up with tactics for, etc.
 
I basically see Form of Rage as 'if dying against something twice as fast and strong and overall better than you that you can't escape from, spend 1 Arete to win and survive with a full heal'
Something I imagine's going to come in handy when running head first into a trap where even the route to the trap has monsters that could outright kill us.
Except if we invested the arete into a different effect that always applied we might not die twice against it anyway? For the same price we could get thousand blades and be able to attack 7 times faster and stronger whenever we like!
 
Except if we invested the arete into a different effect that always applied we might not die twice against it anyway? For the same price we could get thousand blades and be able to attack 7 times faster and stronger whenever we like!
Or Maw and be able to heal at a ridiculous rate! Or Undying Vanguard, where we effectively triple our power by spreading it to our companions!
 
Except if we invested the arete into a different effect that always applied we might not die twice against it anyway? For the same price we could get thousand blades and be able to attack 7 times faster and stronger whenever we like!

Not precisely that unfortunately, Fell-Handed Stroke has stamina costs and the full benefits of Thousand Cuts's power necessitate Fell Handed Stroke access.

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Evening Sky The man had attacked them without provocation. Now that the tides had shifted he wanted to parley? Absurd. His audacity was impressive, but a tactic that disingenuous didn’t even deserve a response. He struck, a terrible reaving arc of blade-force meant to split the pirate from...
[ ] Forebear's Blade - Fell-Handed Stroke - A devastating blow of unutterable magnificence from which no recovery is possible. A powerful, but draining strike that inflicts cursed wounds from which spirit and will leak as freely as blood. Resists healing.
-[ ] 7 Arete: A Thousand Cuts - In the Forebear's grip could even a common knife blaze with fell power. All melee attacks made with the Forebear's Blade now apply cursed wounds. Septuples the power and speed of the Fell-Handed Stroke and allows it to be used with blade projections. Such horrific offensive power allows one to challenge foes vastly stronger.
 
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