A Simple Transaction I
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clearly we are not always under pressure because we did mental stability in the last Pillars. Sometimes apocryphal will be building up power, sometimes we've just thwarted a proc, sometimes we won't know the threat yet, sometimes we'll get lucky from mitigations like the Favor, etcetra.
[X] Full Throttle
[X] Barricade of Myth
[X] Barricade of Myth
That's assuming we have perfect judgement, which is clearly not true.
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Apo isn't a random process. Its activations are targeted, strategically, to damage Hunger. Apo can time its activations to turn the Pillars jaunts into grueling & punishing sprints, if it so chooses. It's a mistake to treat this as a matter of statistics imo
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Maybe not, but "hero slowly buckling under the ever increasing weight of responsibility & solitude" is more interesting than "Gatcha rolls every month without consequences or side effects"
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..big derp moment. Somehow I saw that "0.2 rank before modifier", and what I understood was "from now on, every time you get + rank, that's boosted by 0.2 before modifier" instead of the more reasonable "this is the base rank gain, please apply modifiers", which would have been crazy!
😂
and how can so many people be buying wishes?!
I suppose this is a testament to RIhaku's abilities toscam capture involve people in his stories, tricking convincing them to waste spend time and money in it...
Both Nameless and Hunger would be proud! Hook, bait and sinker! First you reel them in, then you scam them!
Now wait for the time I finally lap myself lapping myself lapping myself!
P.s. I just reached @DarkSideBard 's CYOA.. and it doesn't work! 
well, the interactive version, at least. I suppose I'll have to make do with the text version, unless there's an image version somewhere else?
My bad, now it works. IT probably was my internet.
..I don't know if risk going through it NOW, or after I finish catching up.
After all, I have no idea how long I might stay trapped in there... or if/how many builds I'd end up making...
eh, thought for later, One more reaction now!
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and how can so many people be buying wishes?!
I suppose this is a testament to RIhaku's abilities to
Finally lapped myself lapping myself!
Now wait for the time I finally lap myself lapping myself lapping myself!
well, the interactive version, at least. I suppose I'll have to make do with the text version, unless there's an image version somewhere else?
My bad, now it works. IT probably was my internet.
..I don't know if risk going through it NOW, or after I finish catching up.
After all, I have no idea how long I might stay trapped in there... or if/how many builds I'd end up making...
eh, thought for later, One more reaction now!
ok, let me think.. Last time Surgeon was chosen, we got Purpose and Imperial, Sharkey mentioned a third wish boost coming this turn, and there was a choice of what to spend 40+ arete on, with either 1 or 2 picks depending on how much we were willing to spend buffs on.
By the way, I had a random thought: Retinue would have actually sinergyzed pretty well with Hunger ring.
We get picks by fighting. We're soft-capped by the strongest enemies we can find.
Retinue lowering our rate of progression means that lower-level enemies stay relevant for longer.
While we take longer to reach a certain level, our end-world level cap is basically the same, or only slightly lower due to some high-level enemies being basically one-of-a-kind.
Example: the temple: we outscaled the basic knights after defeating the first few. If we had taken Retinue, we would have likely been able to achieve the same level of progression in slightly longer by facing more knights, and we'd also have had a stronger party at the same time.
It also makes timeskips more productive, allowing the party to catch up relatively quickly to us.
Of course it has its own downsides, but it could have been an interesting approach.
but I'm digressing. Back to the chapter.
pressure decrypted = we tried a random password and it worked?
Or even better: we looked at the keyboard, and some random debris falled on the right buttons to input the correct password?
or go even further beyond: A random glitch convinced the system we had already inserted the password
Well, it seems like the Republic is nearly at the point of economically apply star mining. That's quite the achievement!
It implies a post-scarcity society is nearly in reach!
well, not quite. There ARE some things that are inherently scarce yet. Magics, Armaments, but at least they're probably nearly beyond scarcity in regard to raw materials!
well, the Surgeon didn't waste time.
he already created a living ringoworld that's corrupting the sun!
..can we get a refund and take the Shogun, please?
WHY DID YOU TAKE THE MAD OROCHIMARU WITH RANK?!
damn, we risk having to fight star-sized monsters! Or, alternatively, a star's mass worth of minions!
THAT'S ENOUGH TO INVADE THE WHOLE UNIVERSE! WE'RE FACING A BIOLOGICAL VON NEUMANN SWARM!
We have to stop this NOW, before it's too late.
and this reminds me I'm actually not sure what won the previous vote.
..the Orochimaru-vibes are pretty strong here.
Like him, the shard of the Surgeon is a mad-scientist that's apparently affable, unmerciful and confident beyond limits in his abilities and the rightness of his actions.. and always amused by the actions of his lesser.
Unless they bore him. And you don't want to bore Orochimaru. It tends to be the last thing you do.
Of course amusing him is also hardly safe, but it might give you time to think of something else.
A difference of skill instead of a difference in rank, then?
Or maybe he has a better control tool than the magic system we call Accretion, in the same way in which in d&d a wizard, a Sorcerer and a Bard all use the same kind of magic, but in different ways.
😂 So proud!
and Gisena is very much rubbing on Adorie as well, even if she will likely never admit it!
..Ok, the Surgeon's creation can both create AND absorb/use Findross. Makes sense.
Maybe he used the "humans" as sources of findross for his orc-like creations?
He's a mad genius. We shouldn't forget either half of such a title.
Is Artful Thorn such a basic technique that he knew how to best work around it?
If this ringworld is, conceptually, MANY creatures.. then we can't use our usual go-to against it.
Maybe we should instead go for quickness + Ruin? That sounds like it would take a lot of time... maybe we could simply break the creature in pieces, and throw them into the sun... assuming that such would be enough to kill it.
Again, it's the Orochimaru mindset. He won't kill you without a reason, but he'll kill you for the slightest advantage/gain. After all, everyone else is either an enemy, a tool, or a potential tool.
Or, sometime, entertainment.
Luckily, we have what we need: The Praxis, the Evening Realm, Gisena and Adorie.
The ultimate magic, the ultimate training grounds, the ultimate arteficer/grace creator, and a helper to further develop our myth magic.
good thought.. but is killing a sun wise?
Well, we were told that a master of Accretion might just be able to parry a supernova, I suppose...
The same thing we try to do every night, Pinky: Try to take over the world! sorry, wrong franchise!
..Well, we can add "killed a star" to our resumee!
Of course, we cheated a bit. Artful Thorn doesn't care for such pedestrian things as "size", as long as we're targeting a single conceptual entity!
mh.. Oath of Winter gives Surgeon a -5. We reduce the rank advantage benefits of the enemy to.. I think it's a quarter?
In that case, I imagine the enemy is probably 1 whole rank beyond us at the very least, but not more than 2.
It might be stronger than Nova, I suppose, though not by much.
Not in a direct contest, at least. And we don't know his stats beside his rank.
Not to complain, but if Fear:Orb is the result of a wish, isn't that a bit expensive?
I mean, usually wishes have given the equivalent of EFBs (and sometime a bit more than that). Feat Orb is NOT an EFB equivalent, If I remember correctly.
Trinity would be, I suppose, but as you can't get one without the other...
well, let's see the possible trinities...
mh.. definitely good for rank-path, and also to actually accomplish our actual quest of CONQUERING AND RULING THE HUMAN SPHERE.
With this, we could likely get the Republic, Empire and Association on our side pretty fast, and show ourselves as the only possible defense against the Surgeon's genocidal creations.
In the end I'm not too worried about Hunger becoming a (evil) tyrant. Our companions will be our moral compass.
It's also the advancement of the Saber. Cut, even if it cannot be cut!
...somewhere, somewhen, the Sord Gang is proclaming a crusade against the Maeg Gang, to stop them before it becomes too late.
There's a lot to say in favour of this.
+.75 rank. Triple Intelligence for magic. A 12 ARETE DISCOUNT ON NEXT MAGIC ADVANCEMENT, PRAXIS INCLUDED.
Honestly, if the praxis count, I think this might even somewhat calm the SORD Gang. It's not really magic if we then decide to take a Praxis technique, isn't it?
Who knows, maybe this could be an olive branch, a point of contact and reconciliation between two so different Gangs!
..I'll be honest though: my next advancement, if this was to win, could very well be Total Eclipse.
I mean, IF we can just copy Gisena's graces, that's basically an EFB that unlock multiple potential "advancements" "technically graces" for nearly free, isn't it?
It just depends on how much easier it is to copy Gisena's graces and apply them to ourselves, instead of making our own.
Already Gisena is about to unlock Make Whole (which further improves our regen AND gives us limited resurrection abilities), and her current graces, If I remember correctly, were a physical boost and a temporal grace.
We can't keep up the time boost active at all time, or that would burn through our Decimator mitigation.. but we COULD use it in battle, where the "burned time" is negligible compared to the extra effectiveness.
The time stop ability is also a nice hidden ace.
and of course, GIsena is going to unlock more graces each Pillar proc, which means we could get more as well.
@Rihaku and everyone else: did we ever get confirmation of how hard it would be for Gisena to make copies of her graces for us if we also achieved true Quintessence?
interesting.
Ok, first of all: we should heavily consider this simply because it's also a bonus FOR EVERY FUTURE GEASS QUEST.
In the present, I'd probably go with Adorie.
In the end, GIsena's role long term is going to be of support, mage, and crafter.
Adorie, on the other hand, has both the highest rank AND the least martial experience. She'd likely have the greatest % gains, and in battle she could likely pilot Nova (though that would come at the cost of losing our praxis stamina buff).
Also, I don't want to give even MORE duties to Gisena. She's already tasked to make graces, artifacts, research magics, and offer support wherever her genius can help. I'd prefer to REMOVE duties from her, as to make her more effective in what she's already tasked to do.
mh.. I approve, I think.
I probably would have gone for two picks, but I can see the value in holding off for now, and Seal of Ruin would have definitely been my top pick among the 1-pick advancements.
We should be able to afford another EFB next time we get to choose picks.
so, from these three... there's good arguments to be made about all three of them.
Shogun is, I think, the weakest of the three, though it has the advantage of offering (hopefully, if it remembers) knowledge of the other shards, and of the foremost in general, AND it applies to all future geass quests as well.
..I think I'd go with the Saber version, as it's the one that actually helps in our geass quest the most, offers MORE rank gain bonuses to continue our growth, and I'm not too worried about the potential negative consequences.
I could probably be convinced by a good argument for the other two though, especially for the orb version.
That's a LOT of immediate rank, AND the 12 arete discount means we can likely get TWO efb in the next pillars proc. One of which could be Total Eclipse, which should grant us multiple graces from Gisena easily.
By the way, I had a random thought: Retinue would have actually sinergyzed pretty well with Hunger ring.
We get picks by fighting. We're soft-capped by the strongest enemies we can find.
Retinue lowering our rate of progression means that lower-level enemies stay relevant for longer.
While we take longer to reach a certain level, our end-world level cap is basically the same, or only slightly lower due to some high-level enemies being basically one-of-a-kind.
Example: the temple: we outscaled the basic knights after defeating the first few. If we had taken Retinue, we would have likely been able to achieve the same level of progression in slightly longer by facing more knights, and we'd also have had a stronger party at the same time.
It also makes timeskips more productive, allowing the party to catch up relatively quickly to us.
Of course it has its own downsides, but it could have been an interesting approach.
but I'm digressing. Back to the chapter.
pressure decrypted = we tried a random password and it worked?
Or even better: we looked at the keyboard, and some random debris falled on the right buttons to input the correct password?
or go even further beyond: A random glitch convinced the system we had already inserted the password
Well, it seems like the Republic is nearly at the point of economically apply star mining. That's quite the achievement!
It implies a post-scarcity society is nearly in reach!
well, not quite. There ARE some things that are inherently scarce yet. Magics, Armaments, but at least they're probably nearly beyond scarcity in regard to raw materials!
well, the Surgeon didn't waste time.
he already created a living ringoworld that's corrupting the sun!
..can we get a refund and take the Shogun, please?
WHY DID YOU TAKE THE MAD OROCHIMARU WITH RANK?!
It's obviously using the sun's matter to grow bigger...
damn, we risk having to fight star-sized monsters! Or, alternatively, a star's mass worth of minions!
THAT'S ENOUGH TO INVADE THE WHOLE UNIVERSE! WE'RE FACING A BIOLOGICAL VON NEUMANN SWARM!
We have to stop this NOW, before it's too late.
and here we see the inherent problems in splitting the party...
And it can even deal with inconceivable enemies, if the wielder is skilled enough!
mh.. Seal of Ruin would help a lot here, I imagine.
and this reminds me I'm actually not sure what won the previous vote.
..the Orochimaru-vibes are pretty strong here.
Like him, the shard of the Surgeon is a mad-scientist that's apparently affable, unmerciful and confident beyond limits in his abilities and the rightness of his actions.. and always amused by the actions of his lesser.
Unless they bore him. And you don't want to bore Orochimaru. It tends to be the last thing you do.
Of course amusing him is also hardly safe, but it might give you time to think of something else.
eh, I don't think it reaches quite that level, otherwise wouldn't it mean that it's basically impossible for multiple sources of pressure to coexist close enough for long? Or should we equate Hunger and his companions to a Star and the surrounding planets, kept in a stable orbit by ties of friendship and comradery?
A difference of skill instead of a difference in rank, then?
Or maybe he has a better control tool than the magic system we call Accretion, in the same way in which in d&d a wizard, a Sorcerer and a Bard all use the same kind of magic, but in different ways.
😂 So proud!
..now that I think about it, Adorie WAS technically a NEET/Hikikomori...
and Gisena is very much rubbing on Adorie as well, even if she will likely never admit it!
tis' barely an inconvenience!
..Ok, the Surgeon's creation can both create AND absorb/use Findross. Makes sense.
Maybe he used the "humans" as sources of findross for his orc-like creations?
He's a mad genius. We shouldn't forget either half of such a title.
And she's done an eccellent job with that. Adorie helped too.
mh.. the enemy knew we were a cursebearer, and user of the Royal Praxis.
Is Artful Thorn such a basic technique that he knew how to best work around it?
If this ringworld is, conceptually, MANY creatures.. then we can't use our usual go-to against it.
Maybe we should instead go for quickness + Ruin? That sounds like it would take a lot of time... maybe we could simply break the creature in pieces, and throw them into the sun... assuming that such would be enough to kill it.
all of them
Again, it's the Orochimaru mindset. He won't kill you without a reason, but he'll kill you for the slightest advantage/gain. After all, everyone else is either an enemy, a tool, or a potential tool.
Or, sometime, entertainment.
Yeah, if our current skills are ill-suited to this enemy, we just need to learn more.
Luckily, we have what we need: The Praxis, the Evening Realm, Gisena and Adorie.
The ultimate magic, the ultimate training grounds, the ultimate arteficer/grace creator, and a helper to further develop our myth magic.
good thought.. but is killing a sun wise?
Well, we were told that a master of Accretion might just be able to parry a supernova, I suppose...
..Well, we can add "killed a star" to our resumee!
Of course, we cheated a bit. Artful Thorn doesn't care for such pedestrian things as "size", as long as we're targeting a single conceptual entity!
mh.. Oath of Winter gives Surgeon a -5. We reduce the rank advantage benefits of the enemy to.. I think it's a quarter?
In that case, I imagine the enemy is probably 1 whole rank beyond us at the very least, but not more than 2.
It might be stronger than Nova, I suppose, though not by much.
Not in a direct contest, at least. And we don't know his stats beside his rank.
Not to complain, but if Fear:Orb is the result of a wish, isn't that a bit expensive?
I mean, usually wishes have given the equivalent of EFBs (and sometime a bit more than that). Feat Orb is NOT an EFB equivalent, If I remember correctly.
Trinity would be, I suppose, but as you can't get one without the other...
well, let's see the possible trinities...
mh.. definitely good for rank-path, and also to actually accomplish our actual quest of CONQUERING AND RULING THE HUMAN SPHERE.
With this, we could likely get the Republic, Empire and Association on our side pretty fast, and show ourselves as the only possible defense against the Surgeon's genocidal creations.
In the end I'm not too worried about Hunger becoming a (evil) tyrant. Our companions will be our moral compass.
It's also the advancement of the Saber. Cut, even if it cannot be cut!
...somewhere, somewhen, the Sord Gang is proclaming a crusade against the Maeg Gang, to stop them before it becomes too late.
There's a lot to say in favour of this.
+.75 rank. Triple Intelligence for magic. A 12 ARETE DISCOUNT ON NEXT MAGIC ADVANCEMENT, PRAXIS INCLUDED.
Honestly, if the praxis count, I think this might even somewhat calm the SORD Gang. It's not really magic if we then decide to take a Praxis technique, isn't it?
Who knows, maybe this could be an olive branch, a point of contact and reconciliation between two so different Gangs!
..I'll be honest though: my next advancement, if this was to win, could very well be Total Eclipse.
I mean, IF we can just copy Gisena's graces, that's basically an EFB that unlock multiple potential "advancements" "technically graces" for nearly free, isn't it?
It just depends on how much easier it is to copy Gisena's graces and apply them to ourselves, instead of making our own.
Already Gisena is about to unlock Make Whole (which further improves our regen AND gives us limited resurrection abilities), and her current graces, If I remember correctly, were a physical boost and a temporal grace.
We can't keep up the time boost active at all time, or that would burn through our Decimator mitigation.. but we COULD use it in battle, where the "burned time" is negligible compared to the extra effectiveness.
The time stop ability is also a nice hidden ace.
and of course, GIsena is going to unlock more graces each Pillar proc, which means we could get more as well.
@Rihaku and everyone else: did we ever get confirmation of how hard it would be for Gisena to make copies of her graces for us if we also achieved true Quintessence?
interesting.
Ok, first of all: we should heavily consider this simply because it's also a bonus FOR EVERY FUTURE GEASS QUEST.
In the present, I'd probably go with Adorie.
In the end, GIsena's role long term is going to be of support, mage, and crafter.
Adorie, on the other hand, has both the highest rank AND the least martial experience. She'd likely have the greatest % gains, and in battle she could likely pilot Nova (though that would come at the cost of losing our praxis stamina buff).
Also, I don't want to give even MORE duties to Gisena. She's already tasked to make graces, artifacts, research magics, and offer support wherever her genius can help. I'd prefer to REMOVE duties from her, as to make her more effective in what she's already tasked to do.
mh.. I approve, I think.
I probably would have gone for two picks, but I can see the value in holding off for now, and Seal of Ruin would have definitely been my top pick among the 1-pick advancements.
We should be able to afford another EFB next time we get to choose picks.
so, from these three... there's good arguments to be made about all three of them.
Shogun is, I think, the weakest of the three, though it has the advantage of offering (hopefully, if it remembers) knowledge of the other shards, and of the foremost in general, AND it applies to all future geass quests as well.
..I think I'd go with the Saber version, as it's the one that actually helps in our geass quest the most, offers MORE rank gain bonuses to continue our growth, and I'm not too worried about the potential negative consequences.
I could probably be convinced by a good argument for the other two though, especially for the orb version.
That's a LOT of immediate rank, AND the 12 arete discount means we can likely get TWO efb in the next pillars proc. One of which could be Total Eclipse, which should grant us multiple graces from Gisena easily.
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It was basically a gamble that being able to nonlethally incapacitate an agent of Dien affected by a metaphorical Flesh Bud would be useful at some point. Whether or not that's going to happen ever, we have no idea.
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I haven't tracked wordcounts in months, but:
I did ctrl+f on "word" to highlight any posts that listed their wordcount, and also included any posts hidden by spoilers. Taka didn't have a wordcount so idek.
Unelemental: 559 word arg
Zamp: 416 word arg
Shark: 1 Newspaper
Pittauro: 2437 word reaction
Kurowari: 815 word arg
Taka: Epilogue
ilbgar: 3515 word Praxis blurbs
Zamp: 1020 word arg
Pittauro: 1745 word reaction
ilbgar: 24610 word tacNuke
Unelemental: 527 word Grace plans
Wolfy / Brain: long arguments w/o word counts
Pittauro: 2580 word reaction
Unelemental: 6606 word reaction
Pittauro: 1393 word reaction
Pittauro: 1964 word reaction
Birdsie: ?Word Pittauro meme
Unelemental: 2747 word fanwork
Pittauro: 2086 word reaction
Total wordcount: 53020
Total reaction wordcount: 21558
Total pittauro wordcount: 14952
(Apologies to Kurowari - their work straddled argument & reaction so i made the judgment call that resulted in a more dramatic pittauro figure)
As always, I make no comment about wordcount quality modifiers, and I did not take any efforts to measure posts that didn't report their own length
I did ctrl+f on "word" to highlight any posts that listed their wordcount, and also included any posts hidden by spoilers. Taka didn't have a wordcount so idek.
Unelemental: 559 word arg
Zamp: 416 word arg
Shark: 1 Newspaper
Pittauro: 2437 word reaction
Kurowari: 815 word arg
Taka: Epilogue
ilbgar: 3515 word Praxis blurbs
Zamp: 1020 word arg
Pittauro: 1745 word reaction
ilbgar: 24610 word tacNuke
Unelemental: 527 word Grace plans
Wolfy / Brain: long arguments w/o word counts
Pittauro: 2580 word reaction
Unelemental: 6606 word reaction
Pittauro: 1393 word reaction
Pittauro: 1964 word reaction
Birdsie: ?Word Pittauro meme
Unelemental: 2747 word fanwork
Pittauro: 2086 word reaction
Total wordcount: 53020
Total reaction wordcount: 21558
Total pittauro wordcount: 14952
(Apologies to Kurowari - their work straddled argument & reaction so i made the judgment call that resulted in a more dramatic pittauro figure)
As always, I make no comment about wordcount quality modifiers, and I did not take any efforts to measure posts that didn't report their own length
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Since it looks like we're going there, I'm going to try estimating what we just bought for Gisena, mathematically speaking. I'm operating under a flat pluses as stat points model. This is probably not properly representative.
A lot of this is influenced by my original deductions here: A Simple Transaction I Original, and this post here, A Simple Transaction I Original
Aobaru's Vigorflame and Edeldross are being ignored, though Companions of the King is being taken into account for a 10% buff through Gisena and Hunger fighting in the same battlefield.
Strength: (41*3.1)+(True Perfecting Blade*3.1)+(Vanquisher's Grace*3.1) = 127.1+(True Perfecting Blade Bonus*3.1)+(Vanquisher's Grace*3.1)
Agility: Something in the territory of 206 because Vanquisher's Grace/Temporal Auspictice(Estimated 195), 195*3.1 = 604.5
Constitution: (37*3.1)+(True Perfecting Blade*3.1)+(Vanquisher's Grace*3.1) = 114.7+(True Perfecting Blade*3.1)+(Vanquisher's Grace*3.1), possibly something approaching Hunger's constitution due to undying vanguard
Intelligence: (3*3.1)+(Gisena Tier Geniusness*3.1) = 9.3+Gisena Tier Geniusness*3.1
Wisdom: (3*3.1)+(Gisena Tier Geniusness*3.1) = 9.3+Gisena Tier Geniusness*3.1
Wits: (28*3.1)+(True Perfecting Blade*3.1) = 86.8+(True Perfecting Blade*3.1)
Charisma: (3*3.1)+(Outrageously Superhuman*3.1) = 9.3+(Outrageously Superhuman*3.1)
Manipulation: (3*3.1)+(???*3.1) = 9.3+???*3.1
Willpower: (3*3.1)+(???*3.1) = 9.3+???*3.1
Luck: (3*3.1)+(???*3.1) = 9.3+???*3.1
Protection: (3*3.1) = 9.3, but probably something competitive with Hunger because undying vanguard.
Gisena. With Triple her current intelligence. We need her near us for Haeliel Ordinalism tutoring. At all costs. She probably reaches what, 12th Ordinal in a single lesson or something. If she takes Accelerate...
A lot of this is influenced by my original deductions here: A Simple Transaction I Original, and this post here, A Simple Transaction I Original
Aobaru's Vigorflame and Edeldross are being ignored, though Companions of the King is being taken into account for a 10% buff through Gisena and Hunger fighting in the same battlefield.
Strength: (41*3.1)+(True Perfecting Blade*3.1)+(Vanquisher's Grace*3.1) = 127.1+(True Perfecting Blade Bonus*3.1)+(Vanquisher's Grace*3.1)
Agility: Something in the territory of 206 because Vanquisher's Grace/Temporal Auspictice(Estimated 195), 195*3.1 = 604.5
Constitution: (37*3.1)+(True Perfecting Blade*3.1)+(Vanquisher's Grace*3.1) = 114.7+(True Perfecting Blade*3.1)+(Vanquisher's Grace*3.1), possibly something approaching Hunger's constitution due to undying vanguard
Intelligence: (3*3.1)+(Gisena Tier Geniusness*3.1) = 9.3+Gisena Tier Geniusness*3.1
Wisdom: (3*3.1)+(Gisena Tier Geniusness*3.1) = 9.3+Gisena Tier Geniusness*3.1
Wits: (28*3.1)+(True Perfecting Blade*3.1) = 86.8+(True Perfecting Blade*3.1)
Charisma: (3*3.1)+(Outrageously Superhuman*3.1) = 9.3+(Outrageously Superhuman*3.1)
Manipulation: (3*3.1)+(???*3.1) = 9.3+???*3.1
Willpower: (3*3.1)+(???*3.1) = 9.3+???*3.1
Luck: (3*3.1)+(???*3.1) = 9.3+???*3.1
Protection: (3*3.1) = 9.3, but probably something competitive with Hunger because undying vanguard.
Gisena. With Triple her current intelligence. We need her near us for Haeliel Ordinalism tutoring. At all costs. She probably reaches what, 12th Ordinal in a single lesson or something. If she takes Accelerate...
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What the fuck. No one picked it because of this because affecting one person out of trillions would be worthless. At least I hope no one did. It got picked because people thought that we would get teleported to Dien by magic plot resolution fairy so we would use it to defeat him despite his protection. It's worthlessness in this situation was readily apparent, and has only got more pronounced since.
300% is added to the base value, so the math is x*100%(base)+x*300%(increase) for a total of x*400%. Or x*510% with Edeldross and full Companions.
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OctarineShrike
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So it should be a 4.0 multiplier to all Gisena's stats with mythology halo as the only buff, and the stats are even more ludicrous. Gisena with Quadruple intelligence. This is Tsubasa wo Kudasai hard takeoff singularity ridiculous.
10 percent improvement = 1.1 multiplier
100 percent improvement = 2.0 multiplier
200 percent improvement = 3.0 multiplier
300 percent improvement = 4.0 multiplier
510 percent improvement = 6.1 multiplier
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my impression was that people were hyped for the imprisoners refinement or whatever it was called, and unlocking new things.
OctarineShrike
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So I had a thought about how Hunger and Gisena's builds are going.
Hunger is becoming a Metaphorical Scion
Gisena is becoming a Metaphorical Eden
As in the Wormverse entities, they're a Warrior Thinker pair.
Hunger is becoming a Metaphorical Scion
Gisena is becoming a Metaphorical Eden
As in the Wormverse entities, they're a Warrior Thinker pair.
Is this gonna be the new Godwin's law?
I don't thing the metaphor is particularly strong. Neither Hunger nor Gisena are thoughtlessly relf replicating space worms, and their codependence is much more lop sided and variable.
Seram and Jeane were the incomprehensible universe hoppers indescriminantly scattering their kids everywhere.
I don't thing the metaphor is particularly strong. Neither Hunger nor Gisena are thoughtlessly relf replicating space worms, and their codependence is much more lop sided and variable.
Seram and Jeane were the incomprehensible universe hoppers indescriminantly scattering their kids everywhere.
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One previous version of Artifice (False hand of the Maker) required a power source, like the Azure Ring. Gisena seems to be accessing a more powerful version of Artifice, but the same principle of needing a power source could apply. I'd guess that both Adorie and Hunger have Astral Rank that is much more powerful than the Azure Ring back in the Temple.
So, there could be synergy between Regalia of Strife and Singularity Halo. If Gisena creates a machine that runs on Hunger's Astral Pressure, then Conqueror's Nimbus could be used to propagate the effect across galactic-scale distances. A form of radar that scans everything Hunger's Pressure comes into contact with would be a decisive finishing blow to the campaign against Dien.
Rihaku
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Update in 10-20.
The Realm of Evening was the site of magnificent opulence beyond mortal dreams of luxury. Few places were better suited to mirthful indolence, though there was little such in evidence today. Gisena had recruited all their companions into assistants for her experimentation, which proceeded at a feverish pace unmindful of bodily or spiritual demands. The ambrosia of Evening, and their own Rank and magics, would more than suffice to supply them with vigor enough for the interim. All the power around them had been turned to the purpose of bare function, and the wonders that spilled forth merely prelude to war.
It was a shame, Hunger thought, that none of them would get to enjoy the Realm as it was intended this jaunt. Theirs was a voluntary conscription, but perhaps he could still intervene...
He strode in wearily, finding the Sorceress of Nullity at the center of a mystical conflagration, prismatic elements fluxing and blazing in controlled pandemonium around her. Runes carved in Vigorflame and Shadowcord guttered about on her periphery, straining to maintain their shape as they one-by-one winked out. Gisena released a tide of Nullity, extinguishing the rest as she strode pertly over to greet him.
"How stereotypical," he scoffed. "As soon as she gets magic, it's onwards with the multi-colored explosions and incomprehensible sigils. At least try to maintain something of your dignity as an anti-magic specialist."
The Realm of Evening was the site of magnificent opulence beyond mortal dreams of luxury. Few places were better suited to mirthful indolence, though there was little such in evidence today. Gisena had recruited all their companions into assistants for her experimentation, which proceeded at a feverish pace unmindful of bodily or spiritual demands. The ambrosia of Evening, and their own Rank and magics, would more than suffice to supply them with vigor enough for the interim. All the power around them had been turned to the purpose of bare function, and the wonders that spilled forth merely prelude to war.
It was a shame, Hunger thought, that none of them would get to enjoy the Realm as it was intended this jaunt. Theirs was a voluntary conscription, but perhaps he could still intervene...
He strode in wearily, finding the Sorceress of Nullity at the center of a mystical conflagration, prismatic elements fluxing and blazing in controlled pandemonium around her. Runes carved in Vigorflame and Shadowcord guttered about on her periphery, straining to maintain their shape as they one-by-one winked out. Gisena released a tide of Nullity, extinguishing the rest as she strode pertly over to greet him.
"How stereotypical," he scoffed. "As soon as she gets magic, it's onwards with the multi-colored explosions and incomprehensible sigils. At least try to maintain something of your dignity as an anti-magic specialist."
ImperatorV
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Multi-colored explosions and incomprehensible sigils are a great aesthetic!