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ReaderOfFate said:
That's a fair point, but given that Haeliel is a person, she can realize what position we're in and adapt to situations like this, and give us immediate power to cope. Though, I suspect it'll less be her assessing the situation, and more of a second build vote where we can pick bonuses ala the original three wishes.

Anyways, by the power of this Command Seal, I'm calling in your vote marker.

Also @Zampano, is my quarter-vote marker worth anything, by any chance? If so, I'm calling it in.
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I think the marker is supposed to be worth #500 wordcount on command with some other nonsense perk, like the ability to block Sharkey from activating a marker

iirc the terms of that bargain were pretty comically bad for you, to the point Rihaku said you could've bargained for more? turns out that I am completely drained & doing IRL work for the foreseeable future so I can't fulfill the letter of the bargain anyway.


Therefore, because the alternative is completely defaulting on my debt, I'm just gonna treat it like a regular marker. I think that puts you way ahead in terms of whatever our deal was (2 Zampano votes over time for 1 Reader marker that hasn't been used yet) but i don't have the time or energy to go back and find out what our original contract was about

(edit: Sorry Aab)
 
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Zampano said:
iirc the terms of that bargain were pretty comically bad for you, to the point Rihaku said you could've bargained for more? turns out that I am completely drained & doing IRL work for the foreseeable future so I can't fulfill the letter of the bargain anyway.
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Oh, that sucks. I wish you good luck with whatever you're doing and hopefully you'll be able to rest soon enough.
 
Adhoc vote count started by ReaderOfFate on Nov 22, 2020 at 9:39 PM, finished with 477 posts and 70 votes.
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Here it is, Rihaku.
 
Final :o
No hero
Adhoc vote count started by Rah13 on Nov 22, 2020 at 9:39 PM, finished with 477 posts and 70 votes.
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It is fine, Myth really is an excellent option.

Now, if we can survive until Pillars proc and then get RR at the start of pillar-time, we are golden.
 
I hope that all those people who said that we can still get Armory later were right. If we've permanently lost the ability to make the Apocryphal Armament, I will be very sad.
 
I hope Exertion doesn't see us dead! (Sleep was dangerous too, of course, they're all quite dangerous)

Crossing my fingers that Adorie can help enough. Also hoping that the incoming princess war with her and Gisena isn't the death of all.
 
Rah13 said:
Myth is good, but hero....it's special
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Well, there is always an option to take a couple of hours aside for reaction-omake writing, and tilting the balance that way.

Next time, maybe. :V
Aabcehmu said:
I hope that all those people who said that we can still get Armory later were right. If we've permanently lost the ability to make the Apocryphal Armament, I will be very sad.
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Maybe with ++Progression, or if we actually hit a somewhat lengthy timeskip, for once. At the current platinum-Signs exchange rate, we have a pretty solid "effectively never/very long term thing", but ++Progression, TSH, or other advancements might change that.

...IDK if striving to get a relatively static asset we'll outscale in a short order is a way to go with ++Progression, but there you go.

Alternatively, we can try burning Rank for Signs - it would be a much more efficient transaction now given that Adorie allows us to cheat with "pay rank to get X" type of things. Burning rank hurts, but it is an option.
 
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I still think it's wrong to think of Armaments as static assets. It's not longer quite as easy to make them scale now that we don't have any panoply slots, but we do still have the Lady Artifice Maiden Gisena in our party. Plus, it is possible for us to get another panoply slot, probably, one way or another, and if we do I definitely want to slot an Armament, if only to see what sort of advancements that'll drop.
 
Prospalz said:
Maybe with ++Progression, or if we actually hit a somewhat lengthy timeskip, for once. At the current platinum-Signs exchange rate, we have a pretty solid "effectively never/very long term thing", but we ++Progression, TSH, or other advancements might change that.
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We can use Pillars to generate the mythic platinium. If it can generate almost anything for us, it can probably generate tonnes of mythic platinium.
And while RR is great, I fear for an Apoc proc. If we lose Primacy Battle we must serve the winner which I don't know how it works with Tyrant. Perhaps getting Refinement of Battle/Purpose first and get some low hanging fruits (Stanglethorn, Opalescence,Iridescence, Honing, Tenfold (if possible)) to prop up our stat issue.
 
i wonder if anybody went on record with their thoughts about how this line from the update will manifest:
Rihaku said:
Choose wisely, as the structure of Hunger's advancement here could well determine his future path. We will choose your Heroic Advancement afterwards.
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Are we going to relitigate the Long Voyage vote? Without Armory of Night, I'm a little hesitant to go to the Human Sphere, but I'm also hesitant to let Letrizia out of our sight.

Are we going to relitigate the characterization vote? Hunger continues to be ambitious, but by rejecting []Call Up, we undermined his adherence to the principle that Progression can solve any problem.

Are we going to be allowed some COMFY quest during Pillars? I'm hoping we vote for some blurbs with wordcount invested into +Relationship scenes. Maybe the downtime will allow more proactive plot engagement, like Rune's idea to actively hunt down the Chains foe.

Seems like some thematics got buried by the the back and forth about Hero's Reward. It'll be cool to see where R takes us next.
 
Votes are close, don't think the omake weights are very close, no idea on argument power. A shame if the super-special and rare choice loses, but oh well. ... Hopefully if it wins, Foresleep doesn't win. I still feel Grievous Exertion is the most manageable condition with Realm of Evening available to us.

Ah. Well. All the options were pretty nice here, and I was supporting Myth and Legend for most of it, before becoming charmed by Hero's Reward. And yes, an Apocryphal Armament does sound cool. I hope that's still in the cards.

Any ideas on what the 8th+ Empyrean Signs are? "As Above" let us access to the 10th Sign, to apparently the Empyrean Signs go past 7... but how far past 7?


And now, to see what happens between Adorie and Gisena... ... maybe they'll team up and turn on Hunger! Teasing him for how now it is twice that they've been the difference between him and a Shatter Blow. And how he should take it slower. :V

Next up -- the Heroic Upgrade write-up! That's going to be interesting. (Shame this means no Heroic Upgrade-Apocryphal Armament, as this's basically the only shot we could have had it, but oh well.) Place your bets, folks, what is going to be on offer. Trinity? Seraph's Favor? Edeldross element? Trueheart Phial -- allowing us to benefit from Adorie's abilities even if she isn't physically present by us, thus tempting us to take it so that we could leave Adorie to rule Nilfel rather than needing her to follow after us in order to keep on benefitting from her? One of the EFBs we have?
 
Zampano said:
Are we going to relitigate the Long Voyage vote? Without Armory of Night, I'm a little hesitant to go to the Human Sphere, but I'm also hesitant to let Letrizia out of our sight.
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Letrizia will break another Republic pilot heart and Hunger will break his mech. Also Myth is good for travelling to the HS anyway so I would not worry too much.
Zampano said:
Are we going to be allowed some COMFY quest during Pillars?
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No, thank you for coming to my TED talk.
 
Prospalz said:
Well, there is always an option to take a couple of hours aside for reaction-omake writing, and tilting the balance that way.

Next time, maybe. :V

Maybe with ++Progression, or if we actually hit a somewhat lengthy timeskip, for once. At the current platinum-Signs exchange rate, we have a pretty solid "effectively never/very long term thing", but ++Progression, TSH, or other advancements might change that.

...IDK if striving to get a relatively static asset we'll outscale in a short order is a way to go with ++Progression, but there you go.
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Secret Cursebearer benefits and Artifice, more signs unlocking more power for the Armament since it shoots deathly stars the ability to keep it viable since we're a farking Progression type cursebearer. It was better than people gave it credit for.
 
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I am quite sad about the hero loss. It was sure to be grand, alas we fear what we do not understand. Haeliel your advancement will not be forgotten, this grudge will follow me to my grave.
 
Aabcehmu said:
I still think it's wrong to think of Armaments as static assets. It's not longer quite as easy to make them scale now that we don't have any panoply slots, but we do still have the Lady Artifice Maiden Gisena in our party. Plus, it is possible for us to get another panoply slot, probably, one way or another, and if we do I definitely want to slot an Armament, if only to see what sort of advancements that'll drop.
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I do not want to underestimate RW Gisena, but IDK about Gisena's artifice keeping up with Hunger's growth in terms of direct military potency at only 20% of his progression*. So far, it's primary use was getting us effects we cannot get otherwise; versatility, utility.

She can make super-weapons, I guess. Maybe with the technology of the Human Sphere, she can make something relevant. Maybe that firmament reinforcement option that popped up once could be applied to the Midnight Armor of a firmament, but once again, keeping up with Hunger is pretty hard.

Also IDK about Panoply slots. Would be spreading ourselves a little bit thin, there.
Sharkey_smt said:
We can use Pillars to generate mythic platinum. If it can generate almost anything for us, it can probably generate tonnes of mythic platinium.
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The issue is that... we also can use Pillars to generate pretty much anything else. Pillar-time action economy is a pretty competitive environment.

But yeah, sure, it is an option, too. Not even a half-assed "we could, but it is a bad idea", just straight-up competitive. Maybe I should revise my opinion on likelihood of getting high-level signs.

Sharkey_smt said:
And while RR is great, I fear for an Apoc proc. If we lose Primacy Battle we must serve the winner which I don't know how it works with Tyrant. Perhaps getting Refinement of Battle/Purpose first and get some low hanging fruits (Stanglethorn, Opalescence, Iridescence, Honing, Tenfold (if possible)) to prop up our stat issue.
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The idea was to get in one final super-training montage with Pillars, yes. Thats the core idea of a Pillars Proc+Immediate RR wombo combo.
 
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Prospalz said:
I do not want to underestimate RW Gisena, but IDK about Gisena's artifice keeping up with Hunger's growth in terms of direct military potency at only 20% of his progression*. So far, it's primary use was getting us effects we cannot get otherwise; versatility, utility.

She can make super-weapons, I guess. Maybe with the technology of the Human Sphere, she can make something relevant. Maybe that firmament reinforcement option that popped up once could be applied to the Midnight Armor of a firmament, but once again, keeping up with Hunger is pretty hard.

Also IDK about Panoply slots. Would be spreading ourselves a little bit thin, there.

The issue is that... we also can use Pillars to generate pretty much anything else. Pillar-time action economy is a pretty competitive environment.

But yeah, sure, it is an option, too. Not even a half-assed "we could, but it is a bad idea", just straight-up competitive. Maybe I should revise my opinion on likelihood of getting high-level signs.
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Deathly Star scales with Rank. If the Armament had rank hybridization as a secret cursebearer benefit, the Deathly Stars would have become more powerful as we gained rank, no additional effort needed.
 
Any idea of what'll be done with Procyon's remains?

Hoping for either something touching and respectful, or, taking a bit of the metal of it in order to make a medal or two from it.
 
Prospalz said:
The issue is that... we also can use Pillars to generate pretty much anything else. Pillar-time action economy is a pretty competitive environment.
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Is it? it responds to our desires ostensibly, so it should generate platinum as long as we want it to; unless the control scheme is complicated, it should be easy. without a limit on generation speed, which hasn't been stated or implied I don't think, the next bottleneck is shoveling it into the Evening Sky, but we don't actually have any other preestablished resources we're limited in quantity of but want to have lots of to upgrade ourselves and would as such be shoveling in, nor others which would go in through the cloak instead of through our mouth or some such. besides which, Anything else we'd ask it to produce would need to be researched or something, which we can do while an evening-generated conveyor belt dumps platinum into Evening Sky.
 
JOEbob said:
Is it? it responds to our desires ostensibly, so it should generate platinum as long as we want it to; unless the control scheme is complicated, it should be easy. without a limit on generation speed, which hasn't been stated or implied I don't think, the next bottleneck is shoveling it into the Evening Sky, but we don't actually have any other preestablished resources we're limited in quantity of but want to have lots of to upgrade ourselves and would as such be shoveling in, nor others which would go in through the cloak instead of through our mouth or some such. besides which, Anything else we'd ask it to produce would need to be researched or something, which we can do while an evening-generated conveyor belt dumps platinum into Evening Sky.
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Realm of Evening Manipulation is a skill needing training/investment. The publically available data on this is in Blurb Library 4

[ ] Pathway to Idyll [7 Arete]

The lambent draping of the Evening Sky unfolds and billows in a dream-stoked wind; unbound by the lunar whim, become again the wavering noren to a place of wonder and grandeur unspeakable, the indigo terraces and night-traced valleys of Evening's Realm. Starshine like dewdrops gleams through clouds of pellucid haze: here, there is no strife, only rest, only joyous recumbence beyond the furthermost dreamings of men.

*The Realm of Evening may now be accessed once per night, though it cannot be used for training or its augmentative reagents imbibed. Regents whose purpose is purely curative may still be used. The user may depart at will or be automatically ejected an instant before noon the next day.
*Accessed in this way, time passes normally within the Realm as compared to outside.
*May be used to evade an otherwise undodgeable attack. This is not a perfect defense in that the wearer must still be able to react to the attack in question.
*Substantially improves the wearer's ability to shape the Realm of Evening for recreational purposes, improving effective Charisma (while hosting guests within) and Mental Stability (over time).
*The user may still access the Realm via the method outlined in Pillars of Creation, and remains eligible to cultivate the lasting benefits thereof - training against foes of escalating intensity, and access to medicinal plants of deific stature and potency.
*A nigh-unassailable (at this scale) and tremendously opulent redoubt within with to spend one's nights.
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Conjured Blade said:
Deathly Star scales with Rank. If the Armament had rank hybridization as a secret cursebearer benefit, the Deathly Stars would have become more powerful as we gained rank, no additional effort needed.
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Well, rank-to-stats hybridization that actually does not cap at rank 10 would indeed be more or less enough. Idk hos possible it is, but if anything has, it, then Signs-produced Armament is the thing.

JOEbob said:
Is it?
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We do, in fact, need to calibrate Realm to get proper benefits out of it. Rihaku WoG'ed it, when we*, were acting all excited about the possibility of using Pillars proc as a substitute for a power-type EFB back during the Temple arc. It is also incapable of producing literally infinite amount of Stuff, both in terms of Stuff produced at any one moment. It's abilities to produce are potent, but not omnipotent. It is also possible to exhaust Realm's capability to produce things, which was a matter of some worry when we were discussing its ability to give us long-term Decimation mitigation.

*Mostly I
 
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