Everything else aside, can we take a moment to appreciate how good Feat: Saber is? You get 0.5 Rank for 12 Arete. 0.5! That's just crazy. We talked about losing entire Rank to (inefficiently) transform it into 6th Sign, and this just gives you half a rank like its nothing. While also advancing us towards our second Trinity.
TBF that 0.5 is post multipliers but yeah, that's pretty great. It's exactly as much Rank as Feat: Crown, but it's in the High Ranks instead of the Middle Ranks, so twice as potent. As expected of the Rank you'd get from a 5-pick fight, I suppose.

That being said, we're going pretty hard into Rank at is at severe cost to Attributes. Rihaku said something about our CHA being 17 times lower than needed to be proportional with our current Rank? Physicals would be more like 8-9 times below equivalency. We really should get Refinement of Battle at some point soon.
 
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While I don't mind not having a build vote, I do admit that I'm interesting in seeing how Heroic Advancements look like in practice.
yeah that's a much more accurate description. Build votes come and go, but the true godstat of the quest is blurb quality
 
[X] A Hero's Reward
[X] Grievous Exertion

I change my mind. It just more awesome yo.
Also free heals, maybe not full condition but maybe a step down on it's intensity?
 
TBF that 0.5 is post multipliers but yeah, that's pretty great. It's exactly as much Rank as Feat: Crown, but it's in the High Ranks instead of the Middle Ranks, so twice as potent. As expected of the Rank you'd get from a 5-pick fight, I suppose.

That being said, we're going pretty hard into Rank at is at severe cost to Attributes. Rihaku said something about our CHA being 17 times lower than needed to be proportional with our current Rank? Physicals would be more like 8-9 times below equivalency. We really should get Refinement of Battle at some point soon.
That or be a Mechwarrior, rendering the stat/rank discrepancy a moot point.
 
[X] Myth and Legend

Nah, becoming a certified hero doesn't interest me all that much. Better research into Signs and efficient Praxis if we carry Adorie around are more to my liking.
 
While I don't mind not having a build vote, I do admit that I'm interesting in seeing how Heroic Advancements look like in practice.
yeah that's a much more accurate description. Build votes come and go, but the true godstat of the quest is blurb quality
If it's blurb votes you want, I figure Hero's Reward will probably give us blurbs and powers to chose from.

Thinking of it like when we fist unlocked the Praxis; we had a choice of "how many Praxis Picks do you unlock?" and then a choice of which Praxis abilities to get.
Myth and legend gives seven different EFBs for free and 50 Arete and makes us immortal.
Source: same as the free heal claim - wishful thinking
That's not wishful thinking, that's pattern recognition and reasonable speculation, because --
But last time Haeliel appeared, she healed some not-even-conditions-but-metaphysical-maimings of Hunger.
-- yeah, that.

Even without it though, we can heal in the Realm of Evening. And knock 3 weeks of time off the 1 month long condition.
 
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But last time Haeliel appeared, she healed some not-even-conditions-but-metaphysical-maimings of Hunger.
And she did that simply because she was so awesome.
The lung, liver (that was a bit conceptual) and eye would have been fixed in the Pillars anyway. Also the grievious extertion is not exactly a physical condition - we just pushed ourselves too hard abusing the praxis.
I doubt you can fix Praxis self-inflicted damage. Praxis is fairness - push yourself too hard and suffer the consequences. I think Mommy Cursebearer can fix the Rank and Stat but the Praxis would probably stay.
Also I want to see the blurbs about Heroic Progression.

Healing is probable but relying on it when it is explicitly stated that Apoc would take advantage is a bit of a gambit which after the 5 pick fight I am reluctant to do.
 
The lung, liver (that was a bit conceptual) and eye would have been fixed in the Pillars anyway. Also the grievious extertion is not exactly a physical condition - we just pushed ourselves too hard abusing the praxis.
We did have this whole problem with Procyon because we couldn't wait until Pillars triggered, however. Rihaku alone knows how badly maimed we'd be without those heals. (assuming same choices, of course)
Hell, even now we don't know if we'll get to Pillars safe and sound. So timing matters.
Also, Apocryphal-chan is capable of saving up power (as we've seen in her update), so I don't think it would be beyond her to expend what she has to screw us over just in time. There's the Arcanist still around, ready to be triggered...

As for it not being a physical condition...
Yeah? I'd say having your arm severed from your very soul is not a physical condition either.
And besides, what would a difference between meta/physical matter to a High Cursebearer?
 
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Well, maybe with Adorie along with us in the Realm of Evening, will make it easier to heal Praxis-related damage and exertion. Her power makes the Praxis easier to use, so -- hmm...

Actually, if we got Blood Sorcery again, I bet we probably could start fixing ourselves directly?
[ ] Blood Sorcery [12 Arete] - What Hunger needs now is effectively the inverse of Adorie's bloodline power: an effect that, rather than resisting existential diminishment, actively refines the essence of a material or person. This would normally be impossible to derive from current materials, but the power of the Blood Ring is not so easily denied, especially at such cosmically relevant Ranks as Hunger occupies by virtue of the Crimson Flare. Hunger can manifest a Blood Domain effect that allows him to directly invert the bloodline powers of another, even, to a degree, when this would result in elevation far beyond the target's station. It'll require a hero's determination and a virtuoso's finesse, but who would expect the Realm of Myth to demand anything less?

*Adorie will be able to generate Myth-infused versions of any object given a mundane version of that object. She can also slowly elevate a character's Rank over time, though the benefits of this ability are negligable for someone of Hunger's already high Rank.
*Requires Hunger's complete attention to buff the target safely, and is somewhat exhausting for Adorie to use, but that reduces the problem to a simple matter of keeping up Adorie's strength.
*After she deals with the current budget shortfall, Adorie will be able to mass produce mythic platinum for the Cloak's consumption whenever Hunger is able to visit her in person. Could lead to further "free" breakthroughs in the Empyreal Signs.
The inverse of her bloodline power, the refinement of essence... (Refinement of Essence? Hmm...)

If her normal bloodline power makes the Praxis easier to use, then the inverse of it might it easier to advance or heal after over-using.

Also, "can also slowly elevate a character's Rank over time." That sounds like it means she could help heal our lost Rank while she's there!

... Of course, we don't have our huge Rank anymore, so Blood Sorcery would be harder to achieve... ... On the other hand, we have +.2 ISH thanks to OaF 2 from the Seraph's Favor!

In the update where he got it, Hunger talked about how he felt like he could do a lot more other things with his bloodcasting powers because of it. So I think this has a good chance of working out.

It'd mean Arete being spent on healing ourselves, before getting to Arete spent on Picks from the Realm of Evening. But on the other hand, if you're really worried about your condition, then spending a bit of Arete to accelerate the healing to way shorter than a month, would be well worth it no?

So, yeah.

I think bringing Adorie with us, plus the Realm of Evening, would have a really good chance of resulting in us being fully healed.

And then we emerge fully healed, with fully healed Verschlengorge, and companions buffed by Ennobling for 3 weeks straight. Maybe even with Adorie with a Surgecrafting element; if we can recreate the Elixir springs in the Realm of Evening.

Man. Accursed Implement is tempting just because we'd have so much more Arete to play around with, when entering the Realm.

So many Conjunctional Advancements will probably be available to be picked up in the Realm of Evening! So many delicious build-votes and blurbs!
 
Thought: We've seen Haeliel, so would it be fair to say we've 'encountered' ordinalism? moreover, that we've 'encountered' her modified arbitrarily-many-ordinals ordinalism? I haven't read Terrascape yet so I don't know how powerful ordinalism really is, but Haeliel's version is probably way better what with High Cursebearer, so it might be an option for philosophers wreath. Assuming that's not a specific buypoint advancement, but I think it just stopped being brought up? iirc some arete was reserved for it which wouldn't jive with 'you can't buy it now even if you want to'.
 
If A Hero's Reward also healed the damage it would undermine the value of Myth and Legend, making the build vote easier.

This is antithetical to Rihaku's Dao of the Devil's Advocate and therefore cannot be true. :V
 
If A Hero's Reward also healed the damage it would undermine the value of Myth and Legend, making the build vote easier.

This is antithetical to Rihaku's Dao of the Devil's Advocate and therefore cannot be true. :V
I figure that we'll have to choose from a set of powers or rewards. One of which might be healing. (Immediate build vote, ho! Basically like when we gained the Praxis.) Therefore, the devil's advocating and fighting over build votes will return in full force.

Or maybe we won't get to choose at all, and will just be getting assigned some kind of mission or powerup or boon, but I doubt it.
"I don't suppose I could simply ask you to simply put your efforts towards whatever's in my best interest," Hunger said wryly. "You would know better than I, O Seraph of Heroism."

"I'm afraid not!" Haeliel said. "The reward for heroism is choice, the power to decide for one's self. Fitting, isn't it, for this privilege to also be a burden?"
After all, the reward for heroism is choice. The power to decide for one's self.

That's why, incidentally, I figure that the Hero's Reward box will probably lead to an immediate build vote again. :V
 
If it's blurb votes you want, I figure Hero's Reward will probably give us blurbs and powers to chose from.

Thinking of it like when we fist unlocked the Praxis; we had a choice of "how many Praxis Picks do you unlock?" and then a choice of which Praxis abilities to get.
The Doom of the Pendant compels me to clarify that the choice of Praxis abilities and the number of praxis picks earned were decided concurrently, not sequentially.

To give a more focused refutation of your point, one of the features of the Heroism option specifies that we are "expending" our Heroic Advancement. Moreover, Hunger's interactions with Haeliel have involved requesting that she intercede in ways that fit her own methods. Diagetically, both Favor and Guidance left the details of execution entirely in Haeliel's hands.

It seems to me that promising a build vote out of the Heroism option requires that we simply ignore the details given in the most recent update. I'm not saying anything about the shininess of the blurb for Hero's Reward, but I absolutely reject your claim that there will be an equal number of high-tier blurbs should Heroism win this vote cycle.


Edit: Ninja'd by your clarification. I agree that it's possible for us to pick between benefits like healing. But I stand by my point that [healing vs ??] is not a decision point where the blurbs will be as shiny as [Heroic Advancement 1 vs Heroic Advancement 2]

Edit 2: what a mess of a post. the edit directly contradicts the line where i wasn't going to comment about the shininess of the blurbs. it's like 3 sentences apart. How embarrassing.

i need more caffeine.
 
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[X] A Hero's Reward
[X] Grievous Exertion


Well, if Orm of all people is voting for this combination, who am I to stand against it? 5-Picks and 50 Arete is an insane mystery box, so I'm extremely curious as to what's inside!
 
If A Hero's Reward also healed the damage it would undermine the value of Myth and Legend, making the build vote easier.

This is antithetical to Rihaku's Dao of the Devil's Advocate and therefore cannot be true. :V
You'll notice that Rihaku loves hiding details of too-good options. Like, he hid Cut Through, he hid an option to build an Armament to fight Procyon with, and now he is hiding Hero. Wonder why. :V
 
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In case that Haeliel doesn't heal us, we will end up with potential option and Exertion.

That's not a brilliant combination, for sure.
 
If you think the haeliel option is only going to give potential and will give zero power for a 50 arete 5 pick + heroic advancement option you are out of your mind.
 
On a meta-narrative level, I very much doubt that the Apocryphal Curse would hit us with another proc before pillars, because... well, it wouldn't be interesting, would it?

Hunger just bookended a massive arc, recovering his heroic ideals and triumphing against an Armament against massive odds. Tossing in a lesser proc now would just be an anticlimax after the far more grand fight Hunger just had, regardless of whether he wins or loses.

Far more interesting to treat this like what it is, in narrative terms - the end of one book in Hunger's journey, and the prologue to the next book. So we might see some ominous news coming from the human sphere to ramp up the tension for the sequel, maybe - maybe that ring war thing being nigh or something - but actually just slapping us with a random space flea from nowhere before we rest? Nah.
 
If you think the haeliel option is only going to give potential and will give zero power for a 50 arete 5 pick + heroic advancement option you are out of your mind.
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[ ] "I wish for my junior's exaltation." - Haeliel will enormously empower Aobaru's inherent Progression and ultimate ceiling. There is a small chance she will accidentally kill him instead, reincarnating him to a different realm with his enhancements intact.
That's what her exaltation does. It's essentially Progression^2.

Plus, it doesn't matter it gives *some power*, it needs to make up for -2 Rank, vastly less Praxis casting and so on.
On a meta-narrative level, I very much doubt that the Apocryphal Curse would hit us with another proc before pillars, because... well, it wouldn't be interesting, would it?
[ ] Grievous Exertion: Essence damage was moderate, but comprehensive. -20% All Stats, -2 Rank, -80% Praxis Endurance, --Mental Stability for 1 month. Time in the Realm of Evening counts, but Apocryphal Curse is very likely to exploit this opening.
 
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