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A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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- The Voyaging Realm
Technically yes, but I want to have Grace for epilogue safety-
Ah. Check my sig, I owe you. Someone else already called in a marker for me, but if you only want Favor, technically I can fulfill your and DK's terms at the same time. You'd be getting only part of my vote if you called a marker in right now, but if Favor is truly the only thing you care about then it may be worth doing so.
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- Pindorama
Man, this is kind of rough. Favor needs to be on par with Grace to be the clear winner, not compete for third place with Defer. But Grace is getting second due to both the people who want the Wish and the people who want Aobaru empowered voting for the option, even though Guidance+Favor would have the plurality of the vote as a plan. Then again, maybe this will change if Exaltation gets eliminated. If so, I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
Zampano
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- Simping for DSB
just to clarify, are you using both markers, or only 1?
If you don't care about the [Evening Sky] Vote then you could theoretically save 1 marker for later...
Anyway,
[X] Rah13
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He was already voting for the same options as you though?
Someone else has his marker who isn't 👀
Down I own 2 Omake markers and 1 T3 marker? I only care about Favour so if that works out better then sure.
Yeah, that would be fine. I kind of hate the way how current situationed shaped out - I do consider Favor to be a +Epilogue Safety option due to its long-term growth benefits, but idk if it really measures up to a defensive wish... But walking away from Halael encounter with zero immediate power gain is kind of a big lolno of its own.
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no, you're right. i got mixed up and thought you had two T3 markers / 1 T0 marker. my b
I'll save the omake ones for something else
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
[X] "I wish my reprieve be deferred."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's favor." (2 wishes)
This should be in accordance with both deals, some tag me if it isn't.
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's favor." (2 wishes)
This should be in accordance with both deals, some tag me if it isn't.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
So. Musings on my current build. (Favor+Guidance/Stars Align or Moonlight Delusion)
We may or may not be getting an Apocrypha Interrupt next update that may or may not be combat based. We have invested both of our new Signs, and if Seraph's favor wins, two of our Haeliel wishes, on prepping for a combat Apocrypha proc by making ourselves more powerful with little attention being paid to the VR Extraction problem or noncombat apocryphal procs. If we don't get an Apocrypha Interrupt and favor wins, odds are we're getting two picks from the boosted odds of success on Amplification and Distillation from Seraph's Favor.
Guidance gets us Ordinalism tutoring at some point in the future for party members but the odds of any of them being able to help before at least the 7th-9th(Teleport, Nightmare's Dimensional Tunneling Power) Ordinal with the VR Extraction problem is highly unlikely. Gisena is probably the one most capable of progressing in Ordinalism. Letrezia/Aeira/Aobaru are in an indeterminate spot below that. What About Verschlengorge though?
The Ordinal Spiral can be taught to any Ontologically Coherent Mind(The Gardens of Enoch: Terrascape Academy Original).
A Dolphin or Chimp could theoretically learn a few Ordinals(The Gardens of Enoch: Terrascape Academy Original). We had an option to fight an Ordinalism using Dragon later on in Terrascape(The Gardens of Enoch: Terrascape Academy Original).
Where does Verschlengorge fit on this spectrum?
Moving on...
Without a wish to spend on signs I find it highly unlikely for us to reach the 7th Sign. We don't necessarily need it if we're willing to buy Refinement of Place.
As for what happens next?
We either get an Apocrypha interrupt for which our investment in combat power may or may not be enough, or we do not. We don't Apocrypha Proc but we succeed at Amplification and Distillation, we're getting 2 picks we can put towards Utility/The VR Extraction Problem. If we get an apocrypha proc and we win we also get picks of a different sort then what we get from A&D.
So what does that mean for our bonus?
If you think we still haven't done enough from a combat standpoint take Moonlight Delusion.
If you think we can afford to start spending on VR Extraction tools take Stars Align.
I just wish I knew how close we were to the full moon.
We may or may not be getting an Apocrypha Interrupt next update that may or may not be combat based. We have invested both of our new Signs, and if Seraph's favor wins, two of our Haeliel wishes, on prepping for a combat Apocrypha proc by making ourselves more powerful with little attention being paid to the VR Extraction problem or noncombat apocryphal procs. If we don't get an Apocrypha Interrupt and favor wins, odds are we're getting two picks from the boosted odds of success on Amplification and Distillation from Seraph's Favor.
Guidance gets us Ordinalism tutoring at some point in the future for party members but the odds of any of them being able to help before at least the 7th-9th(Teleport, Nightmare's Dimensional Tunneling Power) Ordinal with the VR Extraction problem is highly unlikely. Gisena is probably the one most capable of progressing in Ordinalism. Letrezia/Aeira/Aobaru are in an indeterminate spot below that. What About Verschlengorge though?
The Ordinal Spiral can be taught to any Ontologically Coherent Mind(The Gardens of Enoch: Terrascape Academy Original).
A Dolphin or Chimp could theoretically learn a few Ordinals(The Gardens of Enoch: Terrascape Academy Original). We had an option to fight an Ordinalism using Dragon later on in Terrascape(The Gardens of Enoch: Terrascape Academy Original).
Where does Verschlengorge fit on this spectrum?
Moving on...
Without a wish to spend on signs I find it highly unlikely for us to reach the 7th Sign. We don't necessarily need it if we're willing to buy Refinement of Place.
As for what happens next?
We either get an Apocrypha interrupt for which our investment in combat power may or may not be enough, or we do not. We don't Apocrypha Proc but we succeed at Amplification and Distillation, we're getting 2 picks we can put towards Utility/The VR Extraction Problem. If we get an apocrypha proc and we win we also get picks of a different sort then what we get from A&D.
So what does that mean for our bonus?
If you think we still haven't done enough from a combat standpoint take Moonlight Delusion.
If you think we can afford to start spending on VR Extraction tools take Stars Align.
I just wish I knew how close we were to the full moon.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
I'm going full on Moonlight Delusion for the moment since I don't know if Favor will win or not.
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's favor." (2 wishes)
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[x] Moonlight Delusion
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's favor." (2 wishes)
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[x] Moonlight Delusion
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- Pindorama
I do wonder if Exaltation is going to be actually eliminated at this rate, looking at the Tally it seems its support has cratered. Puts those who'd like both some immediate power and Grace in a though spot. Guidance really restricts what this vote is about in a lot of ways.
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OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
I realized something about Evening Sky bonuses and Amplification and Distillation. A lot of people are voting for Night's Ambition for the 7 sign bonus. But besides burning a Haeliel wish we don't know when we'll be able to spend, we have another option for bolstering our signs.
A sufficiently good success, whether by Exalting Aobaru or by rolling high enough, will get us an Arbitrary Mythic Platinum generation technique. More platinum to feed to our cloak to get Signs.
Seraph's Favor elevates our Stats on the ISH improving the quality of our roll.
A sufficiently good success, whether by Exalting Aobaru or by rolling high enough, will get us an Arbitrary Mythic Platinum generation technique. More platinum to feed to our cloak to get Signs.
Seraph's Favor elevates our Stats on the ISH improving the quality of our roll.
Enohthree
Hypersane
When it comes down to it, for the time span that the Apoc boosted proc is coming, Favor amounts to 25 Arete and two picks. We're not going to benefit from the scaling before the disaster hits regardless.
I mean that's certainly not nothing! That's pretty great!
But it's not 'perfectly win if you are truly overwhelmed no matter what the opposition' for the fight.
The major winning vote alternative to the nonFavor plan was Favor and advice corner, and while that's nice to have we could have had 26 Arete and 2 picks and Wolber's praxis help and Adorie buff loops if that's the tools we needed for the next proc instead of Big Sis.
Also worth keeping in mind is the fact that our eye and lungs are healed, with attendant stat bonuses.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Arbitrary Mythic Platinum generation is a non pick dependent power source. A source of power without stupid risks by feeding wealth to our well. It's worth a lot.
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- Italy
26/109. I can do this!
also, random thought: Could we mitigate the Geass of Indenture to get a specific kind of missions? Maybe remove the more "morally objectionable" ones, or get more longer duration ones instead of shorter ones, or even just to influence the genre of the setting (fantasy, sci-fy, xianxia...)
Now I have to wonder, why didn't they actually camp in front of the primary entrance?
Maybe they don't know theirs isn't the main one?
...The fishing thing will never die off, right? One day Indenture will bring us to a fishing dimension, and we're going to have to become the fishing king or something.
I wonder, does already knowing other magical systems actually makes it harder to use one's rank offensively/proactively? Could Gisena develop Accretion basically?
And if they're a threat we might actually have become stronger than them after the temple!
Wonder just how much our ghostfire will be able to heal him. It's only been a few days, there's a chance he might heal even more!
You're missing the point, Hunger. If you had a giant robot you wouldn't have NEEDED to hide!
productively? You tell yourself that
Random thought: Romance (with males) has to be difficult for Sorceresses in the Manifest Realm, especially for those of the third Coalescence and above. They' just so above normal people, and there's literally no male that can compete with them.
Really, the only one that can keep up with a sorceress in that world is another sorceress.
And the elves, I suppose, but that probably doesn't really happen, and it would be an incredible scandal if it did.
It's the EVENING CLOAK. EVERY EVENING WOULD BE PLEASANT TO IT!
That's no moon, that's a space stat...
sorry, wrong franchise
Really, Hunger? I'm actually getting more and more curious instead!
Of course it won't be ME who dies if something goes wrong, so...
We never actually saw just what kind of powers Jotarun had. TO defeat the sorceresses... probably some kind of anti-findross ability.
Also Gisena is finally opening up a bit. This is a serious moment, and what Hunger will answer here will matter.
And once we're that good we won't really have a reason to stop at our world. Surely we'd want to reward Gisena for her help, and bring back her friends at least, and maybe even her whole world?
Who knows, we might even be able to simply impose some kind of peace between Orcs, humans and elves. Might makes right in this universe, which means we just need to become the mightiest!
I'm somewhat surprised it wouldn't just be permanently night so close to the temple.
I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
Well, our ring has some level of reality-warping power. It might simply be something similar.
and so this adventure begins!
build vote still ongoing... I'm STILL disappointed about no ring or wreath plan reaching the consolidation phase, and I don't really have much to add to my previous observations.
Already 11 arete... It grows so quickly, but just as quickly it falls back to zero...
I'll be simple and direct, I want the aggressive approach. We might take that with Absolute Focus to raise our chance of success and survival some, I suppose, though Rank can work too. This is probably not a good moment for the mistery box that is Ring Affinity.
623 words.
also, random thought: Could we mitigate the Geass of Indenture to get a specific kind of missions? Maybe remove the more "morally objectionable" ones, or get more longer duration ones instead of shorter ones, or even just to influence the genre of the setting (fantasy, sci-fy, xianxia...)
Now I have to wonder, why didn't they actually camp in front of the primary entrance?
Maybe they don't know theirs isn't the main one?
...The fishing thing will never die off, right? One day Indenture will bring us to a fishing dimension, and we're going to have to become the fishing king or something.
I wonder, does already knowing other magical systems actually makes it harder to use one's rank offensively/proactively? Could Gisena develop Accretion basically?
I feel like we did this before. Didn't we do this before?
And if they're a threat we might actually have become stronger than them after the temple!
Wonder just how much our ghostfire will be able to heal him. It's only been a few days, there's a chance he might heal even more!
You're missing the point, Hunger. If you had a giant robot you wouldn't have NEEDED to hide!
productively? You tell yourself that
Random thought: Romance (with males) has to be difficult for Sorceresses in the Manifest Realm, especially for those of the third Coalescence and above. They' just so above normal people, and there's literally no male that can compete with them.
Really, the only one that can keep up with a sorceress in that world is another sorceress.
And the elves, I suppose, but that probably doesn't really happen, and it would be an incredible scandal if it did.
It's the EVENING CLOAK. EVERY EVENING WOULD BE PLEASANT TO IT!
That's no moon, that's a space stat...
sorry, wrong franchise
Really, Hunger? I'm actually getting more and more curious instead!
Of course it won't be ME who dies if something goes wrong, so...
We never actually saw just what kind of powers Jotarun had. TO defeat the sorceresses... probably some kind of anti-findross ability.
Also Gisena is finally opening up a bit. This is a serious moment, and what Hunger will answer here will matter.
And once we're that good we won't really have a reason to stop at our world. Surely we'd want to reward Gisena for her help, and bring back her friends at least, and maybe even her whole world?
Who knows, we might even be able to simply impose some kind of peace between Orcs, humans and elves. Might makes right in this universe, which means we just need to become the mightiest!
I'm somewhat surprised it wouldn't just be permanently night so close to the temple.
And again I find myself wondering just WHY the camp is on the other side. Maybe they don't have a way to open the main doors? Or maybe they did it in the past, but it's just THAT much more dangerous on this side that on the other?
I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
Well, our ring has some level of reality-warping power. It might simply be something similar.
and so this adventure begins!
build vote still ongoing... I'm STILL disappointed about no ring or wreath plan reaching the consolidation phase, and I don't really have much to add to my previous observations.
Already 11 arete... It grows so quickly, but just as quickly it falls back to zero...
I'll be simple and direct, I want the aggressive approach. We might take that with Absolute Focus to raise our chance of success and survival some, I suppose, though Rank can work too. This is probably not a good moment for the mistery box that is Ring Affinity.
623 words.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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I can't speak to So Below, but I'm pretty sure that Rihaku has previously stated that X-Types are threats that the Temple simply has no chance of defeating at all, with the X probably standing for "eXistential."
DarkSideBard
Flying, without moving on
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's favor."
[X] Night's Ambition
I'm pretty tired from being on the road all day, so no time for argument map and I'm going with my gut instinct. To see my logic you can read my analysis, but in short I think that we need to take some active power up here to be confident against the Apocryphal proc, since even taking two powerful signs wasn't enough to make The Accursed think that we could handle it. The Signs bonuses are too weak to make a difference, Grace is good but I don't want to burn it so easily for this Geas task, and Exaltation is too risky because if it fails we lose Aobaru and get hammer with the Apocryphal Onslaught, which is a straight loss condition. So Favor it is.
It doesn't hurt that Favor comes with 5% Apocryphal mitigation, but it's better than a normal 5% mitigation because it mitigates many of the worst 5% of procs. And also, even if the Oriflamme Token doesn't provide advancements by itself, with sufficient heroism it might provide more conjunctional advancements, even if they're only EFB conjunctionals like the OaF X+1 that we'd get by default.
With Favor taken, that leaves one slot. I'm choosing to believe that we can get another chance at reviving Catherine in the late game or pre-epilogue after timeskips by doing sufficient heroism to unlock Commited Haeliel, which means that it's between Grace and Guidance. Guidance is amazing in terms of lore and would absolutely be worth it, and I'm really sad to give it up, but looking at the long-term prospects Grace is too practical to not take. Haeliel's advice won't be able to save us from Hunger's natural propensity to go too hard, but Grace definitely will. I know that Guidance provides possibly solution to our wealth problem, but I'm rationalizing that away as a short term problem, one which I think that our virtual OaF II will do a lot to help.
Edit: Leaving Grace un-x'd for strategic voting purposes.
[X] Night's Ambition
I'm pretty tired from being on the road all day, so no time for argument map and I'm going with my gut instinct. To see my logic you can read my analysis, but in short I think that we need to take some active power up here to be confident against the Apocryphal proc, since even taking two powerful signs wasn't enough to make The Accursed think that we could handle it. The Signs bonuses are too weak to make a difference, Grace is good but I don't want to burn it so easily for this Geas task, and Exaltation is too risky because if it fails we lose Aobaru and get hammer with the Apocryphal Onslaught, which is a straight loss condition. So Favor it is.
It doesn't hurt that Favor comes with 5% Apocryphal mitigation, but it's better than a normal 5% mitigation because it mitigates many of the worst 5% of procs. And also, even if the Oriflamme Token doesn't provide advancements by itself, with sufficient heroism it might provide more conjunctional advancements, even if they're only EFB conjunctionals like the OaF X+1 that we'd get by default.
With Favor taken, that leaves one slot. I'm choosing to believe that we can get another chance at reviving Catherine in the late game or pre-epilogue after timeskips by doing sufficient heroism to unlock Commited Haeliel, which means that it's between Grace and Guidance. Guidance is amazing in terms of lore and would absolutely be worth it, and I'm really sad to give it up, but looking at the long-term prospects Grace is too practical to not take. Haeliel's advice won't be able to save us from Hunger's natural propensity to go too hard, but Grace definitely will. I know that Guidance provides possibly solution to our wealth problem, but I'm rationalizing that away as a short term problem, one which I think that our virtual OaF II will do a lot to help.
Edit: Leaving Grace un-x'd for strategic voting purposes.
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People voting for Favor because "we aren't getting any power before the Apocryphal proc" are most skillfully ignoring the two combat power based signs we are gaining at the same time.
That isn't to say moving up the ISH has no value, it does, and would be quite useful for anything affected by Hungers stats, but saying Hunger isn't gaining any power before Apocryphal while also justifying our past signs votes with Hunger needing more power for Apocryphal is inconsistent.
Edit: Shakes fist at Darksidebard for undercutting his argument by being reasonable.
That isn't to say moving up the ISH has no value, it does, and would be quite useful for anything affected by Hungers stats, but saying Hunger isn't gaining any power before Apocryphal while also justifying our past signs votes with Hunger needing more power for Apocryphal is inconsistent.
Edit: Shakes fist at Darksidebard for undercutting his argument by being reasonable.
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DarkSideBard
Flying, without moving on
We were already getting both of those signs for sure when the Accursed became concerned enough to show up in person and offer us the only help he could reasonably give because we were going to need it more than ever before. The signs were already factored in to how fucked we were. So it isn't about how much power we've gained recently, but how much power we gain from this specific vote, which the Apocryphal won't have anticipated.