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BrainInAJar said:
There's no direct statements about how much Specialization changes an Ordinal since it seems something that's more of a case-by-case basis, but this seems like a useful point of comparison. Akhena was aid to somewhat keep up with TIM too, so she was easily at 2-digit Mach speed already.
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Interesting! Thank you for the help. I might as well make the cow a Vitalist at this point, no holds barred.
 
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's grace."
[X] "I wish for my junior's exaltation."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[X] Night's Ambition
 
Birdsie said:
Thanks a plenty. Do you happen to know if the increase in potency also increases versatility, or expands on the uses of a given Ordinal Form? For example, if I had a Shield or Construct Specialist Form on, let's say, the 8th Ordinal, would I be able to use Shield or Construct to fly by imbuing them with kinetic force propelling me in a certain direction?

No particular reason for asking. The cow definitely won't fly at Mach-speed.
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Construct definitely allows for flight, Akhena (called 'the Annihilator') was a Construct-focused Ordinal Purist who flew with her forcefields. Specialist Forms don't directly improve versatility except in the case of Elements where you get access to more of them, but being stronger allows you to do more stuff/enables elaborate techniques.

Whichever of Shield or Seeker your bovine abomination chooses will impart its attributes to higher Forms. Seeker makes spells homing/programmable, whereas Shield makes them more convenient/confers quality of life benefits; a Nightmare user's summons will defend the caster if they have Shield, or follow precise instructions with Seeker.

Removed the line separators and fixed a typo, now to reread the update...
 
So the way I see this it's advice/Aobaru buff/defensive wish vs favor/advice. Later is stronger and has better long term scaling, but former has safety of defensive wish.
 
Sword in the Stone boosts all OaF purchases which is a crazy stack with Seraphs favour.

Imagine getting Favour rn (which will boost our chances against the apoc proc) then Fisher king > Ruling Ring > SitS > OaF 2(3)!

that's a crazy amount of power lol.
 
Hmm, there's currently overwhelming support for guidance which I like very much! Then it seems to be split between grace/exaltation and favor. My my, are people really willing to risk Aobaru like this? If he dies, we have no way of reviving him at the moment! In fact, if Haliel reincarnates him there's a chance we have to face Apocryphal Onslaught, which I imagine would not be pleasant. Isn't grace/deferral much safer in the face of that?
 
BrainInAJar said:
Hmm, there's currently overwhelming support for guidance which I like very much! Then it seems to be split between grace/exaltation and favor. My my, are people really willing to risk Aobaru like this? If he dies, we have no way of reviving him at the moment!
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We actually do have Pillars - which can resurrect people.

Not against KILL GOODE grade murder, but nonetheless.
 
Goals check-in:


1. Decimators Affliction management - A Deferred reprieve could theoretically help with this.

2. Dealing with Aobaru's Terminator - Souping Aobaru up would help with this problem, as would souping hunger up.

3. Getting Letrezia out of the Voyaging Realm - Only a deferred reprieve has a chance of directly helping with this problem(Edit: Or maybe Stars Align).

4. Getting ourself/Aeira/Aobaru out of the Voyaging Realm - Only a deferred reprieve has a chance of directly helping with this problem(Edit: Or maybe Stars Align).

5. Conquering the Human Sphere - They all could conceivably help

6. Successful Odds of Vengeance/Avoiding Death by Epilogue - Seraph's Grace would help with that. If we genuinely need it though to survive the epilogue though...

7. Ruling Well - Haeliels Advice corner may help with that. Haeliel's Favor may help from a mental stats standpoint?

8. Curse Mitigation - Haeliels Favor is a form of apocrypha protection. Saving a wish is a form of apocrypha protection. Haeliels Grace is a form of Apocrypha protection.

9. Returning to Financial Stability - We can hope my tactics were enough. That we didn't spend too many rerolls. I don't know if wishing for a deferred reprieve would help us at this point. The next route we could take is wishing for Aobaru's Exaltation like in complete overkill.

10. Preparing for a Buffed Apocryphal Proc - We have not sufficiently invested in our party. Combine that quote from the Truth Manifest with 2 of the Forced Induction options(The ones that weren't Haeliel) giving us a high tier combatant and the point is our party needs more power too. I recommend Exalting Aobaru.

But he should not have to pay it, not had she discerned the truth sooner and called for a temporary retreat. They had all of them grown overconfident, sheltering under the central pillar of Hunger's Rank. A single point of reliance, no matter how sturdily fortified, was vulnerable to the Apocryphal Curse.
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[X] "I wish my reprieve be deferred."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's grace."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[X] Twilight Cladding

As a reminder, if we spend all three wishes without deferring one we can't resurrect Catherine. Favor represents Glory unbound, an immense bounty of power, but it also takes up two-thirds of Haeliel's boon and is consequently too expensive for my taste. Wishes from a High Cursebearer aren't mere Arete, this is a literally irreplaceable boon. We can get the next OaF in the serial order the way god the Forebear intended: paying a shitload of Arete.

Anyway, Grace (undeserved, though not unasked for!) is our best bet for long-term survival and a good epilogue. In the worst case, it means Haeliel could bail us out of the upcoming proc, leaving us alive with a sharply salutary lesson about never voting to empower the Apocryphal Curse. That's one mistake I don't intend to repeat, no matter how shiny the bonuses. Please quote this post at me if greed overcomes my good sense in the future.

Guidance I'm taking because Haeliel is great and the more of her Hunger sees, the better. Capital-G Good is so rare in characters, but here we've found a hero worthy of the title. The option says we should take it and who am I to disagree? The last time we saw such an explicit hint it was from Summer in EFB's intro, and Charmed Life turned out to be the key to Nameless' victory. Regarding the Evening Sky, this is one marshmallow test we should be happy to fail. Holding out for a better bonus is pointless if we die now.
 
Nah, Apocryphal does not care. If our main force was in companions, it would have scaled up to our companions. Likewise, Hunger growing in power does not actually render him less capable of defending his companions, lol.

That was more of a Gisena going "Goddamnit, we got too used to just riding on Hunger's coat-tails when we should have been grinding" than anything else. She was very much in self-deprecating mental state there, for a moment before going EFB.
 
Orm Embar said:
We can get the next OaF in the serial order the way god the Forebear intended: paying a shitload of Arete.
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We actually can't, as each OaF costs more picks. Getting three picks for OaF III is already a tough sell, getting the four for OaF IV is not something we'd ever want to do.

As for five picks needed for OaF V, well, that should be obvious.

This is not just +1 EFB, although having additional EFB is nothing to scoff at, especially as ISH boost is only thing that will make us better against any possible Apo proc. This is access to extremely powerful EFBs that would otherwise be extremely hard to get, and that would be affected by SitS doubling, without needing to eat mental contamination.

Plus you get some Apo mitigation thrown in for good measure.
 
[X] "I wish my reprieve be deferred."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's grace."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[X] Twilight Cladding
uuuu favour is pretty tempting but sticking to the vague plan I guess
 
Why Twilight Cladding though? +10 Protection for .1 Rank isn't super great at our level. I'd prefer something that gives us more utility like Stars Align, or to just save this for later.

Well, time to expand my vote!

[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's favor." (2 wishes)
[X] Night's Ambition

The benefits of guidance are obvious to most here I think, plus I really want to see more Haliel. And while I would be fine with the other benefits too, her favor here is quite an unique opportunity to get more power, something extremely relevant given the potency of the next Apocryphal Proc, and it essentially scales in power as we buy more and more Once and Futures, meaning the more we progress larger the dividends we will receive. It's both good now and even better in the future; really hard to pass up!

Plus I'm not interested in reviving Catherine to be honest, we have a large cast as is. Maybe later when the kids are more developed, but definitely not now.
 
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[X] "I wish my reprieve be deferred."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's grace."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[X] Moonlight Delusion

For now. While we do need power I am pretty leery of sacrificing a panoply slot and two wishes to it especially after we spent two sign slots on pure power. I also would rather we did not bank on a greater bonus because we still haven't seen the non evening signs for the next two slots and those have just gotten better and better even if our focus on power has thwarted their attainment. Companions could be a nice benefit, or resurrecting Catherine (I really want to see the Catherine Ceathlynn meeting) but I am not necessarily sold on that as of yet though it would be nice to have companions that can defend themselves. I'll probably have to put some more through into this before making a final decision.
 
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