A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Wishing for Favor is pretty easily the best option! This is effectively a free 5% mitigation on apoc, +progression which we know is broken, and buffs to stats which we are currently in a great deficit of, and we know that some Apocryphal encounter WILL come soon.
As a reminder, we get OAF 2 instantly which gives us the following:
The character becomes unable to manifest a Shroud. In exchange, elevate all the character's Attributes and abilities by +0.1 tier along the Infinite Singularity Husk, +0.2 tiers in matters military.
The objective amount of Attributes this Advancement is worth compounds massively as the character's native ISH tier is raised, and stacks with other sources of ISH improvement to offer transcendental improvements to the character's fighting strength.
The enhancement of physical Attributes is quite relevant, but the improvements to military-related Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma and Luck may be even more important.
However this Advancement much resembles [Once and Future] I on its merits - on its own without further ISH elevation it may underwhelm, just as [Once and Future] I relies on high base Rank to effectuate hyper-exponential scaling.
As a reminder, we get OAF 2 instantly which gives us the following:
The character becomes unable to manifest a Shroud. In exchange, elevate all the character's Attributes and abilities by +0.1 tier along the Infinite Singularity Husk, +0.2 tiers in matters military.
The objective amount of Attributes this Advancement is worth compounds massively as the character's native ISH tier is raised, and stacks with other sources of ISH improvement to offer transcendental improvements to the character's fighting strength.
The enhancement of physical Attributes is quite relevant, but the improvements to military-related Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma and Luck may be even more important.
However this Advancement much resembles [Once and Future] I on its merits - on its own without further ISH elevation it may underwhelm, just as [Once and Future] I relies on high base Rank to effectuate hyper-exponential scaling.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
My immediate thoughts are to buy the deferred bonus for waifu resurrection purposes, the advice corner, and the 1/task Wish.
The quoted post has the relevant details:
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- Pindorama
Also I said this on discord, but seeing Hunger get a bit flustered this update was kind of cute, not gonna lie.
Tyrant_Rayne
Probably Not Evil… Maybe
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- Canada
... What happened to all that talk about taking Haeliel to ensure we survive the epilogue? Guidance is good but Grace is the ultimate get out of dying card.
Birdsie
Sharp Talons Cleave The Worthy
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- Poland
@Birdsie
Specialist Forms Rules
The Gardens of Enoch: Terrascape Academy Original
Various Thoughts & Info While much of what Dr. Christianten wrote on the blackboard was highly technical, there was some information which may be pertinent to you guys: A listing and brief summary of the first Seven Ordinals: 1 - Seeker, Shield (We’ll learn this today!) 2 - Conjure (store...forums.sufficientvelocity.com
Thanks a plenty. Do you happen to know if the increase in potency also increases versatility, or expands on the uses of a given Ordinal Form? For example, if I had a Shield or Construct Specialist Form on, let's say, the 8th Ordinal, would I be able to use Shield or Construct to fly by imbuing them with kinetic force propelling me in a certain direction?
No particular reason for asking. The cow definitely won't fly at Mach-speed.
[X] "I wish for my junior's exaltation."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's grace."
[X] Night's Ambition
Guidance is required, since it comes recommended and because it gives us access to information that would normally be impossible to get.
Grace is required so we don't die.
That really only leaves one pick left. I'm not a fan of bringing Catherine back, so let's make Aobaru strong enough to handle things.
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's grace."
[X] Night's Ambition
Guidance is required, since it comes recommended and because it gives us access to information that would normally be impossible to get.
Grace is required so we don't die.
That really only leaves one pick left. I'm not a fan of bringing Catherine back, so let's make Aobaru strong enough to handle things.
Its worth would be much greater in the higher-powered worlds than our current one, actually. That 5% chance of people knowing about Archangel onee-sama would be much higher once we get out of the multiversal equivalent of a podunk village.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Okay, so:
The benefits of getting regular advice and instruction from a High Cursebearer cannot possibly be overstated. There's a reason this is described as the best pick in-text.
Everything else is negotiable, but we need this.
The benefits of getting regular advice and instruction from a High Cursebearer cannot possibly be overstated. There's a reason this is described as the best pick in-text.
Everything else is negotiable, but we need this.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Though, it is still at least worthy enough to be competitive with other options on the table.
Tyrant_Rayne
Probably Not Evil… Maybe
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- Canada
That's favour. Grace is her saving us from dying once per Geas task.
Magical_Duck
The One Who Quacks
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- A Pond
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- Duck
[X] "I wish for my junior's exaltation."
[X] "I wish for my junior's exaltation."
[X] "I wish for my junior's exaltation."
"Quack Quack, Quack Qu- Quack Qua- Quack... Gisena!"
[X] Night's Ambition
[X] "I wish for my junior's exaltation."
[X] "I wish for my junior's exaltation."
"Quack Quack, Quack Qu- Quack Qua- Quack... Gisena!"
[X] Night's Ambition
[X] "I wish for my junior's exaltation."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's grace."
[X] Night's Ambition
Favor is a nice option, and if we somehow earn more slots later, I'd go for it. In the current situation, though, the only alternate to this I'd be willing to consider would be replacing boosting Aobaru with enhancing our Sigils to get the rank 7 boost immediately. If that's even possible.
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
[X] "I wish for the Seraph's grace."
[X] Night's Ambition
Favor is a nice option, and if we somehow earn more slots later, I'd go for it. In the current situation, though, the only alternate to this I'd be willing to consider would be replacing boosting Aobaru with enhancing our Sigils to get the rank 7 boost immediately. If that's even possible.
Evil duck just wants Gisena to burn
And there goes the other half of why I should not be effortposting today, lol
Yeah, I can see a build without favor or advice column, but IDK why would you pick a build without defensive wish.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
Eh. The reason it's described as the best pick is because Big Sis Seraph of Heroism wants us to pick it. Like, it's even a no-brained why she would want to. Like, imagine the last time she interacted normally with people without their eyes melting out of their skull. Only Cursebearers of sufficiently high progression and the Accursed himself are able to withstand the effects of her very presence and also be people she by and large would speak to without smiting them, since apparently the Accursed is leading a grand rebellion against the multiverse, which is shit.
So it's, like, advising Hunger on his problems probably sounds like a good way to relax and have fun.
The advice will still be absolutely legit and very valuable though, so maybe we should indulge her.
Magical_Duck
The One Who Quacks
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- A Pond
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- Duck
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- Pindorama
Someone I do not wish to tag said:
There's no direct statements about how much Specialization changes an Ordinal since it seems something that's more of a case-by-case basis, but this seems like a useful point of comparison. Akhena was aid to somewhat keep up with TIM too, so she was easily at 2-digit Mach speed already.
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- Europe
Your brilliance is blinding me Rihaku!
Ara Ara Hunger-kun~!
Already she proves worth the grind.
[X] plan: what I came here for.
-[X] "I wish my reprieve be deferred."
-[X] "I wish for the Seraph's grace."
-[X] "I wish for the Seraph's guidance."
Bank the wish with the intent of using the Realm of Evenings deific effects to resurrect Catherine, or resurrect her there some other way.
Seraph grace gets Hunger some breathing room when he needs it most.
Guidance sets up better decision making habits early on. Few people will be able to guide Hungers Apocryphal mitigation efforts better than Haeliel.
Guidance + Grace is probably the best purchase from a Not-Dying Gang perspective since it cultivates the mindset for future survival and hands Hunger a tool well suited to covering for an inevitable failure.
Alternatively, any of the options could be switched for empowering Aobaru.
[ ] Plan: Theoretical Optimal Purchasing Efficiency
-[ ] "I wish for my junior's exaltation."
-[ ] "I wish for the Seraph's favor." (2 wishes)
Aobaru gets the maximal empowerment, Favor gets a scaling improvement on Forebear stuff, which means we'll actually buy it too. Probably best bang for your buck purchase.
Doesn't actually benefit from Haeliels experience much, unless she's anticipated that Hunger couldn't stop themself from snatching unexpected loot and so optimized her option spread with that in mind?
Am I missing some obvious synergy?