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Skyveil in no way prevents us from wowing people with our overwhelming charisma. It just lets us Choose when we wish to do so. Yes the Halo gives us more charisma to wow people with, but it is not like we won't have other charisma upgrades. What makes you think we won't turn up our charisma if we do tyrant proc? Also once we are the ruler of a polity we will be the law so it will be less of a problem. Not to mention that to my knowledge we only proc if the law or convention is something that Hunger would otherwise disagree with. Could we not go over the major laws and cultural conventions to know what will proc it?
 
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LordOfMurder said:
Gisena specifically words every sentence to avoid triggering Doom of the Tyrant because shes a genius and has some kind of instinctive understanding of our curses. Hunger is bullying Zea at the moment for a minor proc.

Update literally says high Charisma is good for preventing Tyrant procs.

For step 3, our subordinates fawning over us would be a problem if this was reality where no man is an island and you can't do anything on a large scale without competent help. Hunger however is a progression cursebearer and has a once in the lifetime of a species genius to advise him so it's much less of a problem.
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Minor nitpick, Gisena is no once in the lifetime of a species genius or whatever. She was never treated as such in Simple transaction 0.
 
[X] Agents of the Throne
[X] Vanquisher Halo

In the end, I am convinced that it would be better to compensate for strength with strength later, rather than just reducing our Stats. Sky Veil looks pretty likely to win on the omakes, though. I guess Evening Sky Gang will finally have a sort of win, even if only by drastically changing the Evening Sky.
 
Zfglx said:
Skyveil in no way prevents us from wowing people with our overwhelming charisma. It just lets us Choose when we wish to do so. Yes the Halo gives us more charisma to wow people with, but it is not like we won't have other charisma upgrades.
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The whole draw of Skyveil is to apparently limit our charisma so we can converse with scrubs without turning them into superfans. We can't do that and overwhelm them with Charisma at the same time.

DkArthas said:
Minor nitpick, Gisena is no once in the lifetime of a species genius or whatever. She was never treated as such in Simple transaction 0.
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That's the wording of Renaissance Woman.
 
SpectatingRaven said:
How about instead of saying we can fix it we simply don't create the problem in the first place? Its already been said that, yes we could find ways to mitigate the Charisma problem but why not just buy Skyveil and save us the hassle? Half assing these problem will just produce more needless detours in our build votes and split our precious action economy and picks. Lets not give ourselves more problems please.
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Because 7 arete (even under the current arete generation bonus meaning it's only about one update's worth of arete) still seems a lot to pay for something that does literally only this, which only handles this one problem, and which only opens up new advancements going down a path that we probably aren't even going to invest in, or which might even obsolete Veil itself, since 'stealth upgrades' seem like they could quite possibly dovetail into Manipulation +s.
 
DkArthas said:
I took it as her becoming one after RW.
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Rihaku said:
Not merely a genius of one generation, nor of one era; hers is a greatness of mind and spirit that arises perhaps only once in the lifetime of a species. All-conquering talent that bestrides all fields and masters them beyond compare: only this genuine polymath can be said to embody the complete essence - the true quintessence - of humanity in the Maiden's image. Only so exalted a paragon can glimpse the mortal facings of Heaven's Lathe and depart with mind unshattered.
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RW implies that she's already a super genius since you need to be one to be able to survive glimpsing Heaven's Lathe.
 
LordOfMurder said:
Gisena specifically words every sentence to avoid triggering Doom of the Tyrant because shes a genius and has some kind of instinctive understanding of our curses. Hunger is bullying Zea at the moment for a minor proc.

Update literally says high Charisma is good for preventing Tyrant procs.

For step 3, our subordinates fawning over us would be a problem if this was reality where no man is an island and you can't do anything on a large scale without competent help. Hunger however is a progression cursebearer and has a once in the lifetime of a species genius to advise him so it's much less of a problem.
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But we already have one of the highest amounts of Charisma even in the Voyaging Realm! And even more Charisma is pratically losing its value because its being leveraged mostly against baseline people with average social stats and no powers! Even its usage against our opponents is losing its returns because they too didn't exactly invest on their social skills when they can become even more murderhobos. And no, Charisma doesn't solve the issue, Rihaku once said that no amount of Charisma can save us from the Doom of Tyrant procs. Its an affliction affecting the Accursed himself.
 
Aabcehmu said:
Because 7 arete (even under the current arete generation bonus meaning it's only about one update's worth of arete) still seems a lot to pay for something that does literally only this, which only handles this one problem, and which only opens up new advancements going down a path that we probably aren't even going to invest in, or which might even obsolete Veil itself, since 'stealth upgrades' seem like they could quite possibly dovetail into Manipulation +s.
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Except that's not the only thing it does, it increases our protection which was instrumental in surviving the Rotbeast and agility.

And, you can't really say we won't get disguise or stealth based advancements, they would be extremely useful in human Sphere since there will likely be some obstacle we wouldn't be able to overcome with sheer might just yet.
 
SpectatingRaven said:
But we already have one of the highest amounts of Charisma even in the Voyaging Realm! And even more Charisma is pratically losing its value because its being leveraged mostly against baseline people with average social stats and no powers! Even its usage against our opponents is losing its returns because they too didn't exactly invest on their social skills when they can become even more murderhobos. And no, Charisma doesn't solve the issue, Rihaku once said that no amount of Charisma can save us from the Doom of Tyrant procs. Its an affliction affecting the Accursed himself.
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Halo doesn't just give more charisma! It literally turns our Charisma into Strength! Also the rank bonus is nice.

Byzantine said:
Charisma cannot prevent the procs. It can prevent the consequences.
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I think it's more like Charisma can't prevent us from acting like a Tyrant but we can prevent people from speaking against us with the force of our charisma thus avoiding the circumstances that lead to procs.
 
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DkArthas said:
Except that's not the only thing it does, it increases our protection which was instrumental in surviving the Rotbeast and agility.

And, you can't really say we won't get disguise or stealth based advancements, they would be extremely useful in human Sphere since there will likely be some obstacle we wouldn't be able to overcome with sheer might just yet.
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It increases our Prot by less than Vanquisher Halo, so yes, I am technically wrong, but in practice a vote for Veil is still a vote for less relative Prot, which I think is relevant.
 
Vanguisher's Halo also doesn't solve the problem where we are potentially mind melting our allies.

Anyway, do you guys really want Hunger to become to some extent incapable of normal human conversation with most people? That wouldn't have good effect on his psyche in the long run, especially for someone who is going to end up ruling. That sounds like something that will stop being unenjoyable after a while if we are forced to indirectly interact with people, normal interaction are some of the best part of this quest...I also don't want Hunger to become completely dependent on Gisena for those too.
 
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SpectatingRaven said:
Being forgiven for slaughtering people does not wipe away the consequences of our actions.
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We've got Edeldross and Outer Shadow and Evening Sky, the combination of which was sold to us as 'be able to Tyrant proc in a way that is powerful but ultimately non-lethal'
The issue is that pinning down everyone in the area when they're trying to enforce laws still leaves a mess behind, something that this should help with.
 
DkArthas said:
Vanguisher's Halo also doesn't solve the problem where we are potentially mind melting our allies.

Anyway, do you guys really want Hunger to become to some extent incapable of normal human conversation with most people? That wouldn't have good effect on his psyche in the long run, especially for someone who is going to end up ruling. That will sounds like something that will stop being unenjoyable after a while, normal interaction are some of the best part of this quest...I don't want Hunger to become completely dependent on Gisena for those.
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If we really need to restrain our charisma at some point we can just have Gisena build a charisma limiting eyepatch so we can enjoy social more.
 
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