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I think Spilling would have more social consequences in terms of the civs rather than for Letrizia. If we tell her we can continue to accumulate power and Rank endlessly in return for being Cursed, she might understand us to be some sort of mini-Armament. That's something quite shocking, but maybe immensely valuable to the civs, especially if we can teach our own magic and break the Rank 3 cap humans of this universe seem to have.

Regardless, I don't think this is the Foremost trying to imitate the Accursed as it is a hypertech attempt to breach the boundaries of physical law and enter conceptual space. And they seemed to need Astral Denizens to do it. Is the Voyaging Realm an artificial universe with specific physical laws created to spawn beings capable of this pseudo-Accretion?
 
vali said:
And to make matters worse, they know about the Decimation curse here. This is not new. They likely have plans, strategies, tricks we don't know about. They've done this before. What if there are bounties being offered, palaces and treasures and immortality for whoever pinpoints the source of decimation?

We CANNOT afford to spill it.

[X] None
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Sure they know about it but they're apparently so okay with it they built and pilot a mech that does it. It's not like we can hide the massive decimation aura anyway, at best we can blame it on her mech as long as we're nearby but they'll figure it out eventually.
 
[ ] Spill
Substantially is probably mandatory if we do this

[X] Keep Your Own Counsel
Still too uncertain to reveal it; what if some kind of spiritual lobotomy is standard procedure for mitigation?
[X] Of Fishermen, A King
I didn't bring up fishing tactics just to pass up a legendary feat of fishing!!
it has ??? and legendary in bold!! well worth the arete!
 
[X] Spill
[X] Of Fishermen, A King

It hurts to pass up on .5 Arete, but if we Spill Letty might share mitigation methods she's found that work on Decimation, which would be amazing.

Going for A King for a couple reasons. One, reeling in a Legendary Fish and all the effort therein might count as a Hunger proc, given it could be described as a "battle" of a sort. Two, the ??? calls to me. Three, there's a slim, slim chance, but maybe eating a particularly Legendary meal could give us another Hunger Sated proc?

Lastly, fishing episodes are Serious Business.


Still, on to talk about Arete spending. It is my sincere, fervent wish that we keep all Arete expenditures to a minimum. I know that's kinda hypocritical given what I voted above, but hear me out. If we can save up 25 Arete before our next Hunger Sated proc, imagine what an effective EFB expenditure could do for Decimation mitigation. I know this is super unlikely to occur, but just think about what could be possible. Alternatively, we could use that 25 Arete to just flat out purchase immunity to "normal" death, along with a magic system that's super synergistic towards our whole Sleep thing, as well as extending To Shatter Heaven to effect that magic system. Whatever way you slice it, 25 Arete purchases are literally game changing, and I'd like to do as many of those as possible.
 
[X] Spill
[X] Substantially

If she already has to deal with the affliction in some shape, this might be able to help us get information into how to mitigate it's effects.

Also, plus social is nice, i find the interactions incredibly cute!
 
I think you guys are focused a bit overmuch on the risks (which do exist) and not so much on what you could gain from Spilling, which could well be worth far more than .5 Arete or even the expected value of the risks.

cheesyme said:
Well I mean partially you made that option a truly beautiful shade of blue. :D

Its also that until we have more information we can't be sure spilling the beans is the right thing to do, especially since our actual bonding/socials haven't yet taken place.
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What would you classify as actual bonding / socials?

cheesyme said:
Oh, additional question for you @Rihaku! If the Verschlengorge corresponds to the Affliction of the Decimator, is there/could there be an Armament for The Apocryphal Curse?
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You don't know of any reason why not.

BrainInAJar said:
I think Spilling would have more social consequences in terms of the civs rather than for Letrizia. If we tell her we can continue to accumulate power and Rank endlessly in return for being Cursed, she might understand us to be some sort of mini-Armament. That's something quite shocking, but maybe immensely valuable to the civs, especially if we can teach our own magic and break the Rank 3 cap humans of this universe seem to have.
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It's already apparent that you can achieve Ranks higher than the humans of her society can, whether through expertise (perhaps Accretion is more efficient than the methods they're trying) or innate capability. Such Rank would you make an unparalleled tactician, administrator, general, etc... if they have no way of enhancing humans to match you.

LordOfMurder said:
Sure they know about it but they're apparently so okay with it they built and pilot a mech that does it. It's not like we can hide the massive decimation aura anyway, at best we can blame it on her mech as long as we're nearby but they'll figure it out eventually.
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Well, humanity didn't build Verschlengorge. But yes, they're keeping it around and in a populated area as well.

George said:
[X] Keep Your Own Counsel
Still too uncertain to reveal it; what if some kind of spiritual lobotomy is standard procedure for mitigation?
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That would require her to inform civilization and for them to successfully enforce such on you!

George said:
it has ??? and legendary in bold!! well worth the arete!
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Indeed!

Sickul said:
Where's the option to throw the Forebear's blade in the lake and have it turned gold????
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Just who the hell do you think you are?
 
KidFromPallet said:
Still, on to talk about Arete spending. It is my sincere, fervent wish that we keep all Arete expenditures to a minimum. I know that's kinda hypocritical given what I voted above, but hear me out. If we can save up 25 Arete before our next Hunger Sated proc, imagine what an effective EFB expenditure could do for Decimation mitigation. I know this is super unlikely to occur, but just think about what could be possible. Alternatively, we could use that 25 Arete to just flat out purchase immunity to "normal" death, along with a magic system that's super synergistic towards our whole Sleep thing, as well as extending To Shatter Heaven to effect that magic system. Whatever way you slice it, 25 Arete purchases are literally game changing, and I'd like to do as many of those as possible.
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It is perhaps a bit more hypocritical than you're thinking, as you're not merely passing up on .5 Arete, you're voting to spend 1 Arete on your fishing.
Rihaku said:
What would you classify as actual bonding / socials?
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Discussion, interaction, hanging out. I'd just assumed that with voting for it twice there'd be a lot more of it than what's shown in this update.

An additional potential point for this update. A bunch of people including me are thinking of being a king of fishermen, but that and this update both fit with Fisher Kings, and that is not a very positive title for us to aspire to. Worth keeping in mind, although I think with our injuries we'll already qualify.
 
LordOfMurder said:
Sure they know about it but they're apparently so okay with it they built and pilot a mech that does it. It's not like we can hide the massive decimation aura anyway, at best we can blame it on her mech as long as we're nearby but they'll figure it out eventually.
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Maybe the curse is only active when the mech is? There's a lot we don't know here.

Rihaku said:
"It's downright suspicious." He followed, keeping his eyes peeled. They'd spoken of fishing, and a fishing spot appeared. It could be benign, the world yielding to his whims on this small matter - a faint echo of the causality-bending influence he'd once exerted by sheer power of spirit.
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The apocryphal curse only promises "interesting times", which encompasses more than just being randomly attacked. Could it perhaps have drawn us here, that we might in our hubris contest with some god-fish, interupt the sleep of some wayward celestial carp with our foolish antics? Perhaps it considers such a thing interesting.

Or maybe it's just a coincidence.
 
Current vote count?

KidFromPallet said:
Going for A King for a couple reasons. One, reeling in a Legendary Fish and all the effort therein might count as a Hunger proc, given it could be described as a "battle" of a sort.
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Hm... an interesting thought. Hunger rewards genuine endeavor, after all, and not just battle!

KidFromPallet said:
Two, the ??? calls to me.
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As well it should.

Xalvitor said:
[X] Spill
[X] Substantially

If she already has to deal with the affliction in some shape, this might be able to help us get information into how to mitigate it's effects.

Also, plus social is nice, i find the interactions incredibly cute!
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Hm...? The real question is, who is Best Girl?

cheesyme said:
Discussion, interaction, hanging out. I'd just assumed that with voting for it twice there'd be a lot more of it than what's shown in this update.
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There may certainly be more of that down the line. And offscreen interactions, of course.

Word count is finite.

vali said:
The apocryphal curse only promises "interesting times", which encompasses more than just being randomly attacked. Could it perhaps have drawn us here, that we might in our hubris contest with some god-fish, interupt the sleep of some wayward celestial carp with our foolish antics? Perhaps it considers such a thing interesting.
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The Apocryphal Curse typically (though not always) waits longer between worse 'procs.' Since you just had a proc it's most likely not the Apocryphal Curse, and if it is it's likely not one of the bad scenarios. But who knows?

Well, you will. If you choose the option to become a King among fishermen!
 
Microwave MKII said:
omg you guys pls

I don't know that even the Accursed can protect us from the hammer that is Sanrio's lawyers

also are you SURE you guys don't regret picking Gisena now
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Hm... I suppose she does have superhuman lung capacity for playing the trumpet. And, being a Renaissance Woman, might have taken the time to learn. But the real question is, where would she hide a trumpet? Certainly not in the Backpack of Starry Nights if it's Hunger's artifact!

George said:
[ ] Spill
Substantially is probably mandatory if we do this
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The hero does outclass Letrizia fairly substantially on the social scale. If you guys are telling Gisena everything about your Curses (which you are, assuming she doesn't already know, since that was already voted for), what's the marginal harm in telling Letrizia? Now you and Gisena will be able to discuss it openly as well!
 
Rihaku said:
The hero does outclass Letrizia fairly substantially on the social scale. If you guys are telling Gisena everything about your Curses (which you are, assuming she doesn't already know, since that was already voted for), what's the marginal harm in telling Letrizia? Now you and Gisena will be able to discuss it openly as well!
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That she has connections and ties to this realm already that Gisena doesn't, and that social superiority over her may not be enough compared to said connections. Just because we can convince her to go along with us doesn't mean she won't spill to those in command of her.
 
[X] Spill
[X] Of Fishermen, A King

We need that curse information. And this is a fairly safe environment for testing telling people about our thing. Picking King of Fishing mostly for the fun of it TBH.

Now, speculation: Cursebearers live a really long time. A million years doesn't even get you a billionth of a billionth of the way through the Geas after all! Could the Foremost have had an ancient cursebearer who forged the Armaments, as a duplication of his own powers? That would explain where they came from. Perhaps the Accursed put us here because our ancient predecessor left things behind which would be helpful for a Progression-type that's dealing with the Apocryphal? We should seek out Foremost ruins if any exist. And communing with Verschlengorge just became higher priority.
 
[X] Keep Your Own Counsel
[X] Of Fishermen, A King
I see basically three major plans that will probably come out of this: Keep+None, Spill+Substantially, and Keep+Fisher King.
Keep+None is pretty generic, just stock up Arete for possibly Conclusion.
Spill+Substantially hopes that Letrizia+++++ in total is enough for her to share some juicy mitigation methods, taking on Tired and obtaining Improved Nutrition which may heal us slightly? Also, probably hope that she not spill that we're murdering everyone slowly if we don't get Decimation sufficiently mitigated.
Keep+Fisher King hits the mystery box, spending net 0.5 Arete to get to Gisena+++, probably gain some kind of Accretion Rank benefits, and obtain a Legendary Fish with benefits of its own.
Out of the three, I would like some more power considering that "maybe encounters stronger than the guy we just fought" thing that Rihaku said, and we took a moderate injury from that. Mostly because of psychological health being bad, but ...
 
[X] Spill
[X] Of Fishermen, A King

Honestly just being greedy + tempted by Rihaku's devil's advocating putting my guard down; I think it'll be fun to read about them talking with our secrets out in the open.
 
ImperatorV said:
[X] Spill
[X] Of Fishermen, A King

We need that curse information. And this is a fairly safe environment for testing telling people about our thing. Picking King of Fishing mostly for the fun of it TBH.
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Yeah, it's definitely safer for Affliction disclosure than say, in civilization itself. Especially since her giant robot is (presumably) dealing with the same problem!

Now, speculation: Cursebearers live a really long time. A million years doesn't even get you a billionth of a billionth of the way through the Geas after all! Could the Foremost have had an ancient cursebearer who forged the Armaments, as a duplication of his own powers? That would explain where they came from. Perhaps the Accursed put us here because our ancient predecessor left things behind which would be helpful for a Progression-type that's dealing with the Apocryphal? We should seek out Foremost ruins if any exist. And communing with Verschlengorge just became higher priority.
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Foremost ruins... an easy way to get yourself killed! Which means plenty of sweet, sweet Experience... and Apocryphal procs!
 
Genesys said:
[X] Keep Your Own Counsel
[X] Of Fishermen, A King
I see basically three major plans that will probably come out of this: Keep+None, Spill+Substantially, and Keep+Fisher King.
Keep+None is pretty generic, just stock up Arete for possibly Conclusion.
Spill+Substantially hopes that Letrizia+++++ in total is enough for her to share some juicy mitigation methods, taking on Tired and obtaining Improved Nutrition which may heal us slightly? Also, probably hope that she not spill that we're murdering everyone slowly if we don't get Decimation sufficiently mitigated.
Keep+Fisher King hits the mystery box, spending net 0.5 Arete to get to Gisena+++, probably gain some kind of Accretion Rank benefits, and obtain a Legendary Fish with benefits of its own.
Out of the three, I would like some more power considering that "maybe encounters stronger than the guy we just fought" thing that Rihaku said, and we took a moderate injury from that. Mostly because of psychological health being bad, but ...
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But you forget... Spill + Fisher King... the Full Yolo option...

You guys will have more opportunities to interact with Letrizia over the course of months, and if her Armament is truly tied to you, possibly much longer as well...

Box Lunch said:
We chose the Apocryphal Curse. We brought this on ourselves...
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Isn't it interesting, though?

Microwave MKII said:
[X] Spill
[X] Of Fishermen, A King

You know, this is probably a bad idea, but my reason for voting this is very simple: this combination is what I want to read (and quite possibly what I want to draw)
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See? Full Yolo.
 
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