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A Road of Life: A Road To Power: A Medieval Adventure of Rising to Power

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One Autumn Leaf said:
Something interesting I just realised. Odin had four sons explicitly named in the Poetic Edda. We are having quadruplets...just an interesting coincidence.
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Coincidence... or fate?
UwU said:
Hey man, I'm not saying we shouldn't do it. Just realize that Christendom is less than 200 years from snapping like a lonely bullied highschooler and bringing the metaphorical 'gun to the school' so the speak.
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Although I shall say that the Byzantines were fanning the flames by offering blood and treasure, and glory.

The Greeks are many things, and they pushed Christendom over the edge into the crusades.

Or, to put it as blunty and non historically as possible, They are the cipher to the Chrisindoms Snake, Ocelot and Kaz.
 
Mongoose said:
Really guys? This again?
@Magoose: Long time no see! I look forward to inevitably getting pulled into your threads over and over again once more.
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Great to see ya again! Like what you see?

Wanna vote?

I hope this dosen't happen again, but knowing our luck, we will meet again... and that might be sooner then you think.
 
Magoose said:
Great to see ya again! Like what you see?

Wanna vote?

I hope this dosen't happen again, but knowing our luck, we will meet again... and that might be sooner then you think.
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Probably won't vote but will also probably at least catch up to where you are now. Really busy with work and Warhammer lately. Good luck with the ...thing...I guess?
 
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Background on Chrstian and Muslim Relations Prior to the First Crusade By UwU
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    • Magoose said:
    I'm just saying. And you are correct, they are bonkers as all hell.
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    Congrats. Female quadruplets.
    One Autumn Leaf said:
    That...is a very interesting description of the Crusades. Never thought of it like that.
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    I'm gonna preface this with how the Crusades were horrible and that tons of innocent Muslims were persecuted and harmed for no reason yadda yadda you know the drill.

    I don't like defending against genuine and valid criticism especially when it is against a group like Christianity, and they should be lambasted for the Crusades. The problem I personally have is that people constantly take the Crusades out of context like the Christians just one day woke up and decided to go murder the brown people because they don't believe the same thing they do. I don't necessarily blame people for that, it's just the way we tell stories. We take events and place them in a vacuum and only talk about the event. Sometimes a little about what happened that caused it and what occurred immediately afterwards but that is usually the extant to which we learn the context.

    Now for a bit of history. Christianity became an accepted and legal religion in the Roman Empire in 313 AD, it would then proceed to expand rapidly and in 380 AD the Roman Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official state religion of the Roman Empire. Pockets of the old Greco-Roman pantheon would continue to survive for a few centuries more but were eventually subsumed (peacefully as far as can be determined).

    Here's a picture of the Christian world up until about 600 AD, the last Western Roman Emperor died in 476 AD.

    Islam rose in the Middle East in 610 AD beginning in Mecca and Medina and spreading out from there into the Arabian Peninsula and by the time Mohammed died in 632 controlled basically half of it. Over the course of the next 29 years Mohammed's decedents, the Caliphs, would go on to conquer nearly the entirety of the Middle East once held by Christianity. Pushing them out of Egypt and quite a bit of North Africa as well. From 661 to 750 the Umayyads would go on to completely push the Christians out of North Africa, nearly all of the Iberian Peninsula, and were further fighting into modern day Afghanistan. By 750 AD, a bare 140 years after its founding, the Islamic Caliphate controlled an area of 5.17 million square miles or 13.4 million square kilometers
    To put that a bit into perspective, the total size of the Roman Empire at it's height in 117 AD was 1.9 million square miles or 5.0 million square kilometers.
    Which they managed to conquer over the course of nearly 1000 years.

    The Muslims managed to conquer an area over twice the size of the Roman Empire at it's peak in less than 200 years. Much of which had been previously held by Christianity prior. And were at the time invading France. If it wasn't for Charles the Hammer we would all be speaking Arabic and going to mosque right now.

    And the mythical Muslim tolerance-
    The Islamic Trade in European Slaves
    African-Arabic Slave Trade
    When Muslims Sacked Rome
    Destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre

    ... So right off the bat, as this needs to be said again for the extra emphasis, this is not supposed to be a defense of Christianity or any of the crimes it has committed against innocent people across both time and the world. Though some may take it that way. But what you need to understand is the greater context of what was occurring and how it lead to what had happened, not all of which was because of the Muslims either. The Islamic Caliphate was expanding extremely aggressively and was pretty much going to destroy Christianity, if their own divided state didn't do it first. So while in no way will I ever condone what had occurred during the Crusades I can at the very least understand the nuance of why it had happened instead of just getting out a paint brush and layering 'evil' over everything associated with it.

    But honestly the most important thing I want everyone to take away is that every race, creed, faith, culture, political ideology etc. since before written history have had awful people doing horrible things to other people, many of which didn't deserve anything that had happened to them. A trend which unfortunately continues to this day, and will continue to persist until the heat death of the universe.

    (I get into these things way to easily)
     
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    • UwU said:
    Congrats. Female quadruplets.

    I'm gonna preface this with how the Crusades were horrible and that tons of innocent Muslims were persecuted and harmed for no reason yadda yadda you know the drill.

    I don't like defending against genuine and valid criticism especially when it is against a group like Christianity, and they should be lambasted for the Crusades. The problem I personally have is that people constantly take the Crusades out of context like the Christians just one day woke up and decided to go murder the brown people because they don't believe the same thing they do. I don't necessarily blame people for that, it's just the way we tell stories. We take events and place them in a vacuum and only talk about the event. Sometimes a little about what happened that caused it and what occurred immediately afterwards but that is usually the extant to which we learn the context.

    Now for a bit of history. Christianity became an accepted and legal religion in the Roman Empire in 313 AD, it would then proceed to expand rapidly and in 380 AD the Roman Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official state religion of the Roman Empire. Pockets of the old Greco-Roman pantheon would continue to survive for a few centuries more but were eventually subsumed (peacefully as far as can be determined).

    Here's a picture of the Christian world up until about 600 AD, the last Western Roman Emperor died in 476 AD.

    Islam rose in the Middle East in 610 AD beginning in Mecca and Medina and spreading out from there into the Arabian Peninsula and by the time Mohammed died in 632 controlled basically half of it. Over the course of the next 29 years Mohammed's decedents, the Caliphs, would go on to conquer nearly the entirety of the Middle East once held by Christianity. Pushing them out of Egypt and quite a bit of North Africa as well. From 661 to 750 the Umayyads would go on to completely push the Christians out of North Africa, nearly all of the Iberian Peninsula, and were further fighting into modern day Afghanistan. By 750 AD, a bare 140 years after its founding, the Islamic Caliphate controlled an area of 5.17 million square miles or 13.4 million square kilometers
    To put that a bit into perspective, the total size of the Roman Empire at it's height in 117 AD was 1.9 million square miles or 5.0 million square kilometers.
    Which they managed to conquer over the course of nearly 1000 years.

    The Muslims managed to conquer an area over twice the size of the Roman Empire at it's peak in less than 200 years. Much of which had been previously held by Christianity prior. And were at the time invading France. If it wasn't for Charles the Hammer we would all be speaking Arabic and going to mosque right now.

    And the mythical Muslim tolerance-
    The Islamic Trade in European Slaves
    African-Arabic Slave Trade
    When Muslims Sacked Rome
    Destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre

    ... So right off the bat, as this needs to be said again for the extra emphasis, this is not supposed to be a defense of Christianity or any of the crimes it has committed against innocent people across both time and the world. Though some may take it that way. But what you need to understand is the greater context of what was occurring and how it lead to what had happened, not all of which was because of the Muslims either. The Islamic Caliphate was expanding extremely aggressively and was pretty much going to destroy Christianity, if their own divided state didn't do it first. So while in no way will I ever condone what had occurred during the Crusades I can at the very least understand the nuance of why it had happened instead of just getting out a paint brush and layering 'evil' over everything associated with it.

    But honestly the most important thing I want everyone to take away is that every race, creed, faith, culture, political ideology etc. since before written history have had awful people doing horrible things to other people, many of which didn't deserve anything that had happened to them. A trend which unfortunately continues to this day, and will continue to persist until the heat death of the universe.

    (I get into these things way to easily)
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    History is often more complicated than most would like to admit. More often than not both sides are about as bad as eachother.
     
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