What happens if there are many enemies outside, alongside the likely higher-grade syndicate leader/mob leader?

They have 30 people in terms of number over Ciel and gang.

What would you do if the Syndicate/Mob Leader isn't a complete pushover?
 
Not about the vote, It is just about a tone noticed.
Again, I'm sorry but I have to point that out, Birthday was clearly agitated but meme choose to keep pushing, keep your cockiness to yourself please, It's just like the arug vote(or another vote ) you mentioned, You are being cocky and pushing me to choose the other option when I clearly doesn't want that, and you see yourself the one that is right, not one that is trying to persuade others to vote for option that you want to. people have the right to choose what they want and if you want others to change their vote, maybe change your tone to persuading, what you are doing now is Alienating your own allies and agitating the other side, People don't change their opinions by some one laughing at their face. not happily.
Keep your cockyness to yourself.
Because if you keep going like that, I'm going to think you're a bastard.
 
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What happens if there are many enemies outside, alongside the likely higher-grade syndicate leader/mob leader?

They have 30 people in terms of number over Ciel and gang.

What would you do if the Syndicate/Mob Leader isn't a complete pushover?
The point is to distract the many people outside so the Dexter office can get their bearings and ready a counterattack. Ciel and Parvati should not be aimming to kill or commit too hard with their attacks with perhaps the exception of the initial attack, and if forced to do so by the mob disengaging and trying to go into the office again.

If they are actually high grades or have a competant leader, this office is superfucked and we may as well let Ciel's rat instinct take over and run. The way they just make people go in just to be killed for the initial ambush makes me doubt that though. So that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Edit: I read too fast, didn't realise you were just talking about the leader being higher grade and not the whole group outside. I think he would be too overconfident at this point, with the number advantages and all, which will make the surprise attack more effective. Even if the attack doesn't take the leader out, the mob would be forced to face a decision between protecting the boss, or entering the office, which is perfect for the distraction plan.
 
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That's the problem see? What if the people rushing in first are the cannon fodder meant to tire out the Office first before the elite of the syndicate comes in?

Not that we have to worry much I think, because this is just Urban Myth, the likelihood of them being so strong that Ciel and Parvati can't deal with them is pretty low.

Though then again...The streetlight office and Pierre's restaurant were considered myths too, but their power is much less spread out in comparison to the Thorn "syndicate" here...

But then again, the Streetlight office had 2 whole grade 7 alongside 1 grade 6, with one of those grade 7 being actual protagonist material.

And Pierre's Restaurant...well cannibal power and all that.

So the likelihood of there being at least 5 potentially "Above Rat Level" opponents amongst the 30-person crowd isn't low. But then again~ the ranking is more of how much money is being paid to kill them and all~

I still honestly think bringing Parvati out is a bad idea if all you want is to distract them though. As you said, they probably aren't gonna be super competent. But Parvati isn't gonna be in a position to handle them if they decide to gang up on her, or if there is a single opponent amongst the crowd that is strong enough to engage her 1 on 1. Shes only grade 9.
 
i pointed out the problem. I'm not going to continue arguing with you About your behavior and treatment to others
you change on that or not is not my problem, because I don't want to continue discussing this with you.
As a guy who suffered your cockiness first hand, seeing naron pull the rug right under you is pretty funny.
Moving on. I'm on the side of running away, Grab our friend and maybe our boss get out of here because this is a battle that we cannot win.
And even if somehow we won, the loss is too great to make it worth it.
This is a gamble that does not give us any reward, so, it's not worth it.
But I'm not going to vote.
Out of spite.
 
I still honestly think bringing Parvati out is a bad idea if all you want is to distract them though. As you said, they probably aren't gonna be super competent. But Parvati isn't gonna be in a position to handle them if they decide to gang up on her, or if there is a single opponent amongst the crowd that is strong enough to engage her 1 on 1. Shes only grade 9.

I don't disagree with the risk to her, problem is that the tactic relies quite heavily on shock and fear factor, and Ciel isn't exactly the intimidating type. It might work with just Ciel alone, but it is pretty risky for both them and the distraction plan. So I was kinda forced to bring Parvati along for this plan, even though it would put her at risk, since right now I don't have anything else to work with. At least her weapon is pretty useful for keeping enemies at bay and whatnot, and we have a lot more open space to work with the spear's range and Ciel's speed/jump height to use.
 
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i pointed out the problem. I'm not going to continue arguing with you About your behavior and treatment to others
you change on that or not is not my problem, because I don't want to continue discussing this with you.
As a guy who suffered your cockiness first hand, seeing naron pull the rug right under you is pretty funny.
I literally stopped the moment you started making a problem about it, you didn't have to bring it up three times.

At least her weapon is pretty useful for keeping enemies at bay and whatnot, and we have a lot more open space to work with the spear's range and Ciel's speed/jump height to use.
But wouldn't they have more room to surround Parvati too? I dunno. It seems a bit risky. Given that Parvati isn't as immortal as Ciel is.

Of who here? There's not exactly much opposition regarding the current vote really?
 
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But wouldn't they have more room to surround Parvati too? I dunno. It seems a bit risky. Given that Parvati isn't as immortal as Ciel is.

Ciel will just have to work hard so she doesn't get boxed in then. It isn't like she starts off cornered or is alone by herself. She do need to hold them off and pose enough of a threat for the Dexter Office's to clean up those inside and then begin the counter attack. But ya, I won't deny that it is risky for her here.
 
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Given Ciel's fighting style of being quick on their feets. That's a really hard ask, isn't it?

Ciel doesn't really have the bulk to hold their ground if the enemy pushes them.
 
Oh, I didn't read that.
sorry, too much ~ made me think you're trying to say something that I couldn't care less about.
I just got off from school and im very grumpy, I'm going to disappear for a while.
again,sorry meme.
 
It isn't just being quick on their feet though, Ciel will also have the momentum to shove or smack someone with the pipe using the augmentated legs.

Thankfully this isn't a hold their ground scenerio, Ciel and Parvati can back out from the mob if needed, as long as the distraction is working.
 
We can try to fight with momentum, a steel pipe coming at you at 90 miles/h can cause some serious damage.
If they don't have a steel head, of course.
 
Yeah, and I spent the last 3 hours getting my ass beat by Mexicano Ele garno over there. Seriously how tf did you beat 2-18?!

But anyway, it's fine, I don't really mind discourse.

Ciel will also have the momentum to shove or smack someone with the pipe using the augmentated legs.
That's what I meant.

What if the "elites" are opponents with augments that can give the two troubles?

We are facing a syndicate here so this is something to keep in mind.
 
What if the "elites" are opponents with augments that can give the two troubles?
That's fine. Since as long as the elites are distracted, the mobs will be distracted as well. Hit and run tactics will be put to work here, to keep said elites at bay then until the Dexter Office is ready. Being troubled by the elites is fine, as long as Ciel and Parvati don't get killed instantly here.

Also, if there are said elites and their entire plan is to tire out Dexter and Rookwood before they step in, then the plan to hole up in the office would be pretty much a goner.
 
hmm...
The name of this gang make me think at least leader is some kind of damage reflecting tank or they play bleed.
Using our legs to kick a desk towards the door to hold them off for a while? At least makes it that people inside can beat them over the head when they try to come in.
 
Using our legs to kick a desk towards the door to hold them off for a while? At least makes it that people inside can beat them over the head when they try to come in.
If you want that you should just get Rookwood to toss a desk at the door. Problem is there are still many windows to act as entrances to the office, so I'm not sure exactly how effective that would be.
 
That is true...Still, I don't think bringing Parvati alongside Ciel is a good idea, given that Parvati slow down Ciel.

But I do think your plan is a lot better at using Ciel's augment than most of the other plans, though in my opinion, it's still too uncertain.

We only know there's 30 enemy combatants, splitting off from the rest of the Office while the outside is unknown seems too risky.
 
hmm...
I'm still not gonna vote for anything, because I'm not confident in my own decisions...
i have mirror dungeon needs to grind, I'm sure whatever vote we landed on. It won't be that bad(Who am I kidding? it ll be so bad)
good night.
 
That is true...Still, I don't think bringing Parvati alongside Ciel is a good idea, given that Parvati slow down Ciel.

But I do think your plan is a lot better at using Ciel's augment than most of the other plans, though in my opinion, it's still too uncertain.

We only know there's 30 enemy combatants, splitting off from the rest of the Office while the outside is unknown seems too risky.

Ya... I really want to have just one more thing I can use. But I couldn't come up with anything else. Parvati is honestly the best one to use here for the plan. I will say that if Parvati succeeds in the surprise attack plan, by god I would push so hard for her to get promoted.

I can't do much about the uncertainty for the plan, sorry about that. I can only work with the info I've been given so far. I really don't think the other plan is as certain as it seems though.

Anyway, all of the plans honestly come with risk. Even the safest one, to flee through the window, can be said to be trapped by the enemy beforehand or is just a strategical tactic to allow some of the fixers to run so they fight back less, and since their goal is to kill everyone in the office they will take their time to hunt down the deserters later.
 
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...wait.
As a rat, ciel probably knows zwei patrol route by heart.
If there is a patrol route near as we can maybe, maybe get some help!
 
...wait.
As a rat, ciel probably knows zwei patrol route by heart.
If there is a patrol route near as we can maybe, maybe get some help!
Unfortunately, that would probably be a flee plan, which is less than ideal. It will likely take too long too, and the Zwei work through contracts, they are not obligated to help or protect another fixer office for no reason, which was why San had so much trouble getting the Zwei office to help go against the Library.
 
That's the thing with Offices is it not?
Syndicates do this all the time, even association offices aren't exempt from it.

Welp. While that is the case, I'm still a bit too iffy regarding carrying Parvati outside.

Sorry bud. But in that case, a vote entirely around distracting the mob through Ciel's own speed is a bit more my taste.
 
Ya, I understand. You can always write-in a variant of mine if you want. I just think Parvati has a big part to play for the plan to let it go.
 

My god! That's so high!

No, seriously, do you know how high that is for a gatcha? Their low drops tends to be 0,1% or lower, not 1%.

I still don't really see a choke point within the office after Naron's description of it

Stairs to the second floor.

I don't really understand the arguments here? Guerilla tactics are meant to be used against a large group of enemies in the first place.

Gorilla tactics are mostly used for long term strategies though, we don't have the time to implement a true hit and run after the already too long to go for flanking. By the time it has an effect, the battle will have been long finished.

Since we wouldn't be in this kind of position if Ciel isn't stuck with an augment that frankly isn't that flexible.

First: we would be in the exact same situation no matter the augment, our opponents don't even have any and we have one week of training.

Second: we can still use our augment there, it's not a liability as you seem to be implying, we can kick, we can use it to dash with surprising strength. And this is only one single situation, if we had gone for something good for close combat fighting, then we would have been fucked later when in a situation requiring to be fast, and then people who wanted the legs would all be *I told you so* just like you are now and they would be just as wrong as you are now.

People don't change their opinions by some one laughing at their face.

Well, technically they do, but I'm pretty sure you are not talking about being contrarian out of spite there.

I'm on the side of running away, Grab our friend and maybe our boss get out of here because this is a battle that we cannot win.
And even if somehow we won, the loss is too great to make it worth it.
This is a gamble that does not give us any reward, so, it's not worth it.

One of the reasons I don't want to run away is that we can always do it later if the situation really is that fucked, because if it's that fucked we will simply die and learn more about how that works then ba able to try again.

I am not aiming to loose, but I don't fear it happening that much either. I still think that going around is not a sound strategy, neither as a distraction (will never distract enough of them), not as a pincer maneuver (it'll end up with us being the one suffering from a pincer maneuver), staying inside limits the opponents possible vectors of attacks, and we are better staying close to our allies rather than trying to be a hero and go alone, because that is how you die, fixers don't tend to do their job alone for a reason.

She do need to hold them off and pose enough of a threat for the Dexter Office's to clean up those inside and then begin the counter attack.

See the problem is that I really can't see that happening, we're not a threat, we're a grade 9 fixer just beginning, with one augment and one augment only, and no actual fighting style, best case we take some out and manage to flee before the rest of them kill us by sheer numbers, while our office still get overrun in the background because doing so doesn't require that many of our opponents, worst case we die overwhelmed before doing anything and they continue on their merry way.
 
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