Sadly, Berserker is not especially important to this flashback, so I don't intend to dwell on them more than this. My guess is that the Matou household being such an awful place to live, even a couple of generations back, would spark such a rebellious streak in one of the still-competent Matou Masters that they'd get Spartacus, or (if they wanted to take Zouken's place instead, which might actually be an option before the Matou lost their magecraft) Lu Bu.
Or it could be a lesser-known Heroic Spirit. They just got a bad pull in general, someone whose stats could let them hang out with the big boys but who couldn't actually win.

it could have been Bloodaxe.

EDIT for clarity's sake: I'm sort of not joking on Bloodaxe btw. His semi-self-regen abilities through Half-Dead Blood Axe and the power of Battle Continuation would make him pretty hard to put down without going full on into Kazikli Bay, especially with Guunhilde cursing everyone around her - something Ruler would be a good thing to have around for - and he's also the exact sort of Berserker who would cause nearly everyone around him to have minor injuries, as he has to go completely over the top to convince Guunhilde that he can't control his own actions and is indeed going berserk instead of being fully in control and just trying to have some fun. Also explains why we didn't see the master, honestly.
 
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Chapter 51 - Stake
Chapter 51 - Stake

Churches were places of sanctuary. For millions around the world, they represented the bastion of faith against the doubts and fears of life. For travellers on cold nights, they stood for shelter and warmth. More literally, every night around the world the Executors hunted down monsters and heretics to help the helpless.

Unfortunately, such sanctuary was not quite so literal as to provide, for example, defence against a horde of tentacled horrors swarming onto the grounds. This was, admittedly, a rather specific form of sanctuary, but under the circumstances Risei felt it was far and away the most important.

With the deaths of Rider and Assassin, Caster's army could grow without limits. Now the wolf was at the door, and Risei would defend his home or die.

But he did not stand alone.

Risei stood in the centre of the church – lashing tentacles had long since smashed every window there was to smash, and gibbering fiends crawled in from every side. Next to him stood Tohsaka Ren, proud and firm even after what he had endured under Assassin, conserving his strength and moving stiffly but letting loose with blasts of flame whenever one of the creatures made it too close.

Between them lay a simple golden cup.

And, everywhere else, Lancer slaughtered his foes.

No creature survived a single swipe of his spear, and he moved like lightning around the church to fend off the attack from all sides. Before the ichor from one monster could even stain the walls his spear was buried in the next, and he would be across the room shredding more before the first had even stopped twitching. The ferocity and skill of Vlad III fighting in defence of something he cherished was like nothing Risei had ever seen.

But… he wasn't quite as fast as he had been half an hour ago. He bled from dozens of wounds, and though he seemed not to notice, his savage grin had become a grim frown over the course of the battle. No single creature could hurt him – but over time, they would bleed him dry.

And even so, Risei was unsure whether Lancer would last longer than his Master. Already Tohsaka was breathing heavily, despite casting only a handful of spells. When Risei, towards the start of the War, had asked how painful the strain was from maintaining a Servant in battle, Tohsaka had simply responded that it was better for Lancer to finish battles quickly. Risei had heard 'excruciating' and asked no more. Assassin's 'hospitality' had not helped matters.

He wished there was something he could do to help. Instead he simply waited, as the tide of monsters closed in.

Eventually, mercifully, there was a reprieve. Lancer appeared at his Master's side, panting, and the two leaned against each other for support.

All around the trio, horrors lined the walls of the church, surrounding them on all sides – except in line with the door. Any hope Risei felt that they might be leaving an escape route was dashed when the door opened, and four figures strode through, stopping only a couple of dozen feet away.

Two of them were blonde, elegant-looking women, who were startlingly similar in features and wolfish demeanour. The Edelfelt sisters – Risei had only met them when they registered and not since, but Tohsaka had had plenty to say, particularly about the younger, whom he'd clashed with more than once.

But while the Masters looked similar, the Servants were even more so. Both were tall, pale dark-haired men, and were they wearing the same clothes the only way to tell the difference would have been the slight gauntness in one's cheeks – and the glint of madness in his bulging eyes. Instead, that one was wearing blue and purple robes and carried a book, while the other wore dull grey armour and bore a sword.

Caster and Saber. The same Servant at two points in his life, somehow summoned twice thanks to the Edelfelts' Sorcery Trait.

"You," growled Lancer. "You would stoop to attacking a church? Caster I would expect this from, but I somehow expected better from you, Saber."

Saber didn't react, simply gazing at Lancer with morose eyes. "I have a wish, Lancer. In the face of that, aye, I would defy even God."

Caster simply cackled, as though finding it all hilarious.

With obvious distaste, Saber said, "What is so funny, Caster?"

"Why, I am simply delighted that you are finally seeing the light! Surely now even you must accept that God intends to deliver neither salvation to His most pious followers, or judgement to His most depraved detractors. Even as we four, we sinful few assault His very house, still we find no resistance!"

"Do not lump me in with you, monster," said Saber, through gritted teeth. His own Master nodded, although her sister just rolled her eyes at Saber's words.

"See," Caster continued, "They have even prepared the Grail for us! You see, Saber, it is as I said. Our wish has already been granted! Even now the hand of providence delivers the Lesser Grail into our hands, here, in one of the four locations at which the Greater can be summoned! What better proof that God has long since lost His power to punish sinners?"

This time, Saber's expression was pained. "I wish I shared your confidence, Caster…" Still, he raised his sword. "Moderator, I ask you to step aside. Lancer and his Master must die, but you will be allowed safe passage, should you ask for it."

For a moment, Risei was tempted. Then he saw the mad gleam in Caster's eyes, and the trust in Lancer's, and knew where he stood. For better or worse, it was standing on the opposite side against monsters like that, even if he stood with monsters like Lancer and the magus. He was Tohsaka's ally, neutrality be damned. He shook his head.

"Very well."

Saber flashed forward. There was no fancy swordplay, no flourishes, no display of inhuman skill. Had he duelled Lancer alone, he wouldn't have lasted a second.

But Caster pointed a hand, laughing, and the chittering horde surged forward.

Lancer thrust and checked and swung and stabbed, but no matter how fast he was he couldn't be everywhere. The fiends couldn't co-ordinate with Saber, or even each other – they just mindlessly came on, reaching for Lancer with dripping tentacles, forcing him to abandon his offense to save himself.

Tohsaka grunted, and waved a hand to summon a wave of fire. It drove back the closest creatures, but only for a moment – they were some kind of sea beast, and did not burn easily.

With a thrill of terror, Risei realised that they couldn't hold. The horde crept closer, and closer, and even though Lancer's ceaseless defence sacrificed his chance at a killing blow on Saber to split dozens open like overripe fruit, Risei and Tohsaka were being overrun.

Finally the creatures were so close that Risei could have reached out and touched them. Lancer had been able to keep them back, or protect himself, or fight Saber – two out of the three. Now, his choices had narrowed to one. He chose to lash out at the thrashing tentacles, keeping them off his Master and Risei for just one second longer.

Saber punished him for it.

His sword thrust through Lancer's heart, and Lancer stilled for a moment – before his eyes flashed red and he carried on as if nothing had happened, pushing Saber back and whirling his spear to make up for the delay. Still, with horror, Risei noticed the first few motes rising from Lancer's body.

Risei had to do something. He made to scoop up the Holy Grail, but jerked backwards as the closest creature scuttled forward. Before he could recover, it wrapped its tentacles around the cup and vanished back into the mass of horrors.

"No!" shouted Tohsaka.

"Yes," sneered the elder Edelfelt. "Well done, Caster – now finish them quickly. If your familiars find Ruler quickly we can end this War tonight."

"I agree," came a voice from the door. "One way or another, this will end tonight."

Ruler stood there, in full armour, her flag unfurled, and her expression deadly serious.

Risei sagged in relief, and he could see Lancer and Tohsaka felt the same way. With two Servants on two, they could make it out of here alive.

Caster, for his part, immediately spun round and sank to his knees in a bow. "O Holy Maiden! Forgive me for concealing myself from you throughout this long War. It pained me to do it – but I felt that you would not want to see me. After all, you found your own blood-soaked monster as a replacement!" He gestured wildly in Lancer's direction. "I wanted to tear him down before I presented myself to you, to prove that I was the only one worthy to stand by your side. I have failed you in that, Jeanne, but give me a few moments more…"

Through all of this, Saber had simply stared in utter disbelief at Ruler.

"J-Jeanne," he said at last. "Is it really you?"

"It's me, Gilles." Ruler's expression, which had been hard and unyielding through Caster's raving, softened a touch as she looked at Saber. "What have you done to yourself, my old friend?"

Saber's sword fell, the tip clattering against the stone floor of the church. His instincts as a knight were the only thing preventing him from dropping it completely, if Risei was any judge. "Jeanne… they killed you, Jeanne. Everything you did for them, everything we did together, it meant nothing… so I… I… all I wanted, my only wish, was just to see… you…" he looked round at Caster, who was still smiling ecstatically. "You! When you said our wish was already granted, this was what you meant!? You knew? Knew, and kept it from me!?" As Saber grew more and more angry, his eyes bulged, and the resemblance to his Caster self grew more and more pronounced.

"I did not want to distract you," Caster said innocently. "My poor self, my poor weak self, who still cleaved to his faith in the Lord, how could the truth not break you? That our Holy Maiden was still bound by God's false promises, that even now she threw herself into the fire to save those beneath her in every way?

"Split as we are, we are weak! You needed to focus, to help me take back the Grail from all those who would steal it from us when it had already chosen us, just as the king stole our lands from us on trumped up charges. The only one in this world who deserves the Grail is Jeanne, and we will be the ones to present it to her."

Saber looked at his Caster self as if seeing him for the first time. "Aye… aye, she will have the Grail. And the next portion of blood to fill it will be yours! Jeanne, I fight at your side once more!" He snatched up his sword and levelled it at Caster, who seemed unworried.

"Don't be ridiculous," sniffed the elder Edelfelt. "Just who do you think is in charge of this partnership, anyway? I knew Caster made the right call in not telling you."

The younger gasped, stepping back from her sister and towards Saber. "Wait, sister, you knew too? How could you not share something like that?"

"Because the Grail matched you with that weak Saber, that's why. Just look at him! I knew he was perfect for you as soon as he opened his mouth – just like you, he's too softhearted to do what needs to be done."

"Elegance is not a flaw, sister," the younger Edelfelt said stiffly.

"No. Losing is." The elder Edelfelt glanced at Caster. "Caster… I think it's time."

Caster's smile stretched wider than ever. "Oh, my Master, as ever, your clear sight is your virtue. Jeanne, I apologise that you need to see this – it is quite unseemly for a man to be at war with himself in the presence of a lady."

"Nevertheless, I trust that your better nature will win out, as I always have," said Ruler quietly.

Saber beamed at Ruler, then took a stance, expression resolute. "En garde."

Caster blinked, then giggled. "Just so!" He snapped his fingers – and before anyone could react, tentacles emerged from underneath Saber's cloak, wrapping around his throat with deadly force. With a wrench, his neck snapped.

As he began fading into motes, the younger Edelfelt backed away. "No… Saber…"

Her sister shot her a nasty smile. "Too noble to even consider the possibility of betrayal… it makes me sick that I was ever like you. This once, I think the Edelfelts can do with a single heir. Caster."

With a wave of Caster's hand, the tentacled beasts surged forward again – at Saber's former Master. She shivered and backed away, but held firm. "You're wrong, sister," she said. "I may never have imagined that Caster would go this far… but I have never once felt safe around you since I was four years old."

Jewels gleamed in her hands – and explosions rocked the church as she flung them into the thick of the horde. She followed up with a spray of black-red shots that hurt Risei's eyes to even look at, each one felling a creature… but it was clear that no magus could last long alone.

To Risei's utter bewilderment, though, she was not alone.

"Hold on!" shouted Tohsaka, of all people, hobbling into the fray, a blast of fire clearing the way. Where the cautious young magus would usually have weighed up every option before taking the risk, now he seemed almost frantic. "Lancer, Kotomine, with me!"

Risei went, covering his head with his hands to protect against the sprays of ichor coming as Lancer slaughtered every monster in reach, motes still flaking off with every movement, still slowly but more and more with each passing minute. Together, they reached the shocked Edelfelt sister, Tohsaka already standing back to back with her to fend off creatures from all sides.

"Ren…" she whispered, eyes wide.

"Shut up," he said, blushing and looking away. "I'm not doing it for you. We just need all the help we can get against Caster, okay?"

Risei fixed his friend with a sceptical look, because that was obviously false even for him. It sounded like there was a history there… but there was no time to explore it. As the final motes that used to be Saber faded away, Caster gave a hoot of triumph and held the Grail high. It had started glowing, a pure golden radiance.

"It begins!" he raved. "Five Servants fill the Grail – soon, it will be complete. Jeanne, witness it! Witness the blasphemy I make of the Grail before I lay it at your feet!"

"Enough," Ruler said, stepping forward. Her flag slammed into the floor of the church, squashing a tentacle monster that had not scurried out of the way in time. "Gilles, enough, please. I don't know what you're trying to achieve here, but this isn't you." Her face fell, though she immediately raised her head to look Caster in the eye. "No… that's what this is about, isn't it? This is you. The hurt and pain left behind after you'd lost me. I'm sorry, Gilles. I ignored who you were for so long, but that's not fair, is it? You were crying out for someone to see you. Well, I do now."

"Jeanne…" said Caster, reaching out with both hands.

"And I forgive you."

Caster froze.

Risei could feel in the air that something had changed.

"You… forgive me?" Caster said.

"Of course I would," Ruler said, smiling. "Gilles, even as the people shouted, and threw stones, even as they lit the fires under my feet, I forgave them. How could I not forgive my oldest friend, when it was my fault for not being there to guide him?"

Caster pulled at his hair, muttering. "No, no, no, no…"

Ruler tilted her head, puzzled, apparently finally realising something was off. "Gilles?"

"No!" Caster screamed, spittle flying from his mouth. "You think I want your forgiveness?! You think I want you to take my sins as your own?! Jeanne, Jeanne! You, of all people, must condemn me! You are the only one who can! Even if God fails to punish me, you, Jeanne, must make up for his mistake! You cannot forgive me! You cannot forgive France! You cannot forgive the world that took you from me!"

Ruler seemed taken aback. "But… I'm sorry, Gilles, but I do."

"You can't!" Caster raised his head and screamed to the heavens. "I won't let you!"

And the flood of tentacles poured over Ruler. She swung her flag, slaying three with each stroke – but she was not the fighter Lancer was, and she drowned in the stinking mass before anyone could react. When it receded, Caster held her by the throat, tears streaming down his cheeks.

"Jeanne… my perfect Jeanne… it's alright," he sobbed. "You always needed me, to make the choices you couldn't, to be the villain you could never be. But Jeanne, they killed me too. I'm only a ghost now, only a ghost… you can't rely on me forever." He smiled through his tears. "So I'll fix you."

He squeezed, ignoring Ruler's frantic kicks and struggles.

Lancer, gritting his teeth through the obvious pain, made towards her – but the wound he had taken from Saber made him slower, weaker. If Tohsaka had still had a Command Spell… but it was no use wishing. Lancer carved through the monsters in his path, but he was not fast enough.

Ruler dissolved into silver motes, and was gone.

Caster withdrew the Grail, now a beacon of pure gold. "It is done! Six Servants have been defeated, six Servants sleep in the Grail – and my wish can be made!"

"What?" said the older Edelfelt, grabbing Caster's arm. "Caster, no! My wish, first!"

Caster threw his Master off him without looking. She disappeared into a mass of tentacles, and screamed only briefly.

Lancer redoubled his efforts, but he was too late. Caster raised the Grail above his head, even as he too began to dissolve. "O Holy Grail, I wish for justice! I wish for salvation of the Holy Maiden! I wish to resurrect Jeanne d'Arc so that she can take revenge on this cruel world!"

Even Risei felt the outpouring of magic that accompanied Caster's wish. At first a simple pressure in the room – but quickly accompanied by heat, and a malevolence that took his breath away. Silver motes danced in the air in front of Caster, slowly taking a female shape… and slowly turning black as pitch.

"Master…" said Lancer, looking back one last time. "I apologise that I could not win the Grail for you. But my promise to protect your lands has not ended. That, I will fulfil." He looked at Risei. "Risei, my friend… thank you."

"The pleasure was mine, Lancer… Vlad," said Risei.

Tohsaka, still holding on to the younger Edelfelt girl, nodded. "You have been everything a Master could wish of his Servant. I hope… I know we will meet again."

Lancer nodded, and turned back to Caster, who was staring in wonder at the image of Ruler taking shape before his eyes. "Caster… I believed I was a monster. I believed I knew the darkness at the heart of men. But you are more of a devil than I will ever be, and so for the first time I invoke my Noble Phantasm in the full knowledge of my righteousness. For that, if for nothing else, I thank you."

Caster laughed, disturbingly unrestrained. "You are too late, Lancer! My Jeanne returns to the world once more, the strength of a wish guarantees it! How do you think you will stop her?"

"The same way she perished in life," said Lancer. "The stake. Kazikli Bey."

And, for the last time, a thousand spears exploded from the ground. They skewered monsters by the hundred. They drove into the steadily reforming shape of Ruler and dispersed it entirely.

And they pierced straight through Caster and the Grail he was holding.

There was a shudder in the air, as though all the magical energy twitched in pain. Then, Risei had to shield his eyes against a blinding torrent of golden light – not flowing out of the Grail, but flowing into it, as everything made of magic immediately turned into golden motes and was drawn in.

Dimly, Risei noticed streams flowing in from the open windows, as Caster's remaining fiends were captured by the Grail too. The Grail itself floated on the stream, blindingly bright.

"The Grail is trying to repair itself!" Tohsaka shouted. "It's still trying to incarnate Ruler and complete the wish! But it can't! It's too damag-"

With shocking suddenness, the torrent stopped, every scrap of magical power in the church consumed. The Grail hung in mid-air, making awful creaking noises – before imploding, leaving absolutely nothing.

The Third Holy Grail War was over.



After that… well, there was a lot of pieces to pick up. Police to reassure that, yes, the gang war really was over, and no, Risei couldn't tell them how. Scared locals to coax back into normal life. Newspapers to tell about the pack of bears that had escaped from the zoo and caused havoc, probably due to global warming.

And, while Risei technically had no reason to stay in Fuyuki now that the magical artefact he was looking for would reappear no sooner than sixty years in the future, he found he didn't want to leave. He was always welcome at the Tohsaka house, where became a mentor and friend to Tohsaka's young son Tokiomi. He couldn't think of a better place to raise his own son, and did just that when Kirei was born.

After long years, the horrors he'd seen of the Third War faded into distant memory. Even when Command Spells appeared on young Tokiomi's hand, Risei's first feeling was of nostalgia – Tohsaka Ren's had looked almost the same. After all, despite the terror, had it not been one of the most important experiences in the teenage Risei's life?

And, he told himself as he met Tokiomi's new and uncertain Rider, he was much older and wiser now. He wouldn't let things get to the same state they had before.

Surely the Fourth War couldn't be anywhere near as bad as the Third.
 
Oh course, with both sides of Gilles and Jeanne summoned in the same war, it'd lead to a dramatic confrontation.

Vlad, when he actually has a decent Master is a bro. And poor Robin. Looks like being a tsundere runs in the blood for the Tohsakas lol.

Though of course the Einzberns trying to cheat the system still backfires by summoning a Ruler, so via Edelfelt Sorcery Trait, the missing normal Class got filled up. Enough for a wish to be made despite Vlad still being alive.

Though isn't the Holy Grail enormous? The physical cup is just the Lesser Grail or something.

But I'm still drawing a blank on how Jalter would be enough to taint the grail this time
 
Caster withdrew the Grail, now a beacon of pure gold. "It is done! Six Servants have been defeated, six Servants sleep in the Grail – and my wish can be made!"

"What?" said the older Edelfelt, grabbing Caster's arm. "Caster, no! My wish, first!"

Caster threw his Master off him without looking. She disappeared into a mass of tentacles, and screamed only briefly.
Yeah, that's about as expected when you're granting Caster Gilles a wish. The dudes nuttier then a fruitcake and would have zero loyalty to their master when their goal is in sight.
 
So that fills in a few plot details, both for canon and for the story.

In this timeline, the Lesser Grail was corrupted and destroyed a war early, this being a "Minus One" to the original Zero. This was also the war where the Eldelfelts "stole" a Tohsaka Magus.

And now it's time for the Alter to make a mess of things.
 
Hey @Rob Rimsill since it probably won't be relevant to this story: Is the Edelfelt family still around? Does Luvia exist in this timeline?
 
Surely the Fourth War couldn't be anywhere near as bad as the Third.

suuuuure, not as bad. Just way worse. And again in large part due a Caster with little or outdated moral restraints.
at least Risei never knew about the Cluster F### that is the Fifth War

This was also the war where the Eldelfelts "stole" a Tohsaka Magus.

don't you mean the Tohsaka's "grabbed" an Edelfelt?
Since it gave the world Rin Tohsaka I call it a great achivement XD
 
don't you mean the Tohsaka's "grabbed" an Edelfelt?
Since it gave the world Rin Tohsaka I call it a great achivement XD
Wasn't half the reason Rin flipped her shit on Luvia some ancient drama over one of the Tohsaka's being seduced to the Edelfelt family, thus giving them access to jewelcraft and furthering the family's reputation as being vultures and thieves?
 
Wasn't half the reason Rin flipped her shit on Luvia some ancient drama over one of the Tohsaka's being seduced to the Edelfelt family, thus giving them access to jewelcraft and furthering the family's reputation as being vultures and thieves?
Backwards.

In Fate/Hollow Ataraxia there's a flashback where Rin first goes to London.
Luvia introduces herself to Rin and the two hit it off, then before the conversation can end, Luvia learns Rin is a Tohsaka, basically declares a feud, and a fight breaks out.

Rin has a hair trigger around Luvia after that in part because Luvia keeps trying to "steal" Shirou.
And in one cross-timeline phone call had apparently succeeded.
 
suuuuure, not as bad. Just way worse. And again in large part due a Caster with little or outdated moral restraints.
Not really given that despite the chaos in the town, Leona actually did her best to minimize the collateral damage in all her attacks. She dragged her fights into mirror worlds not just for tactical advantage, but also to keep civilians out of the fray. Even when she tapped into the public's mana, she took only what she could without harming people, everything else was just her bluffing. (A far cry compared to how most Casters would do it really.)

It was Ibaraki that did most the damage in Fuyuki, and she did most of that before Leona chained her with spells.
 
Wasn't half the reason Rin flipped her shit on Luvia some ancient drama over one of the Tohsaka's being seduced to the Edelfelt family, thus giving them access to jewelcraft and furthering the family's reputation as being vultures and thieves?

From what I remember from Fate/HA the Edelfelt sisters in the 3rd war HATED each other, even had each a mansion (both indentical) so they could stay apart.
They summoned Saber-class servants, which was basically a split in two aspects, also splitting their power. This also bit them hard as they were bad at working together.
Supposedly one sister fell for the Assassin's NP or skill, which put her under an illusion where she saw her sister die. She then fled traumatised and certain that she lost her sister.
In truth the sister survived and Ren Tohsaka was a perfect gentlemen to her (as the war was over at that time)
When that sister tried to get home she was rejected because the first sister was still certain she died and must be an imposter.
With no way home and no one else to turn to Ren took her in and later married her.

I am NOT sure how much that is accurate my summary is and how much hate and backstabbing was really involved.

Not really given that despite the chaos in the town, Leona actually did her best to minimize the collateral damage in all her attacks. She dragged her fights into mirror worlds not just for tactical advantage, but also to keep civilians out of the fray. Even when she tapped into the public's mana, she took only what she could without harming people, everything else was just her bluffing. (A far cry compared to how most Casters would do it really.)

It was Ibaraki that did most the damage in Fuyuki, and she did most of that before Leona chained her with spells.

fair point, I forgot Leona got the hooks into the banana-oni only later
 
But I'm still drawing a blank on how Jalter would be enough to taint the grail this time

I've not really delved into the magibabble of it, but if you want a handwave you can say that the fact that a legitimate wish was made on the Grail and then immediately denied before it was fulfilled forced it to keep working to try to complete it even when the Grail War was over - thus turning it from 'a wish-granting device' to 'a device for manifesting Jeanne Alter'. Hence the taint, hence anti-heroes.

You know, if I hadn't said like a fool back on page 2 of this very thread that the 'no anti-hero' restriction was originally a part of this Grail system, this whole subplot and climax might be very different…

Hey @Rob Rimsill since it probably won't be relevant to this story: Is the Edelfelt family still around? Does Luvia exist in this timeline?

Given the Edelfelt's Sorcery Trait I'm sure there are any number of cousins around whose parents were heirs but whose own cousins were the ones to inherit the Crest, or generational variations on that theme. No reason for Luvia not to exist, although as of the fix's main time period she'll still be only 8 years old.

I am NOT sure how much that is accurate my summary is and how much hate and backstabbing was really involved.

Sounds good to me, although I'll note that 'Tohsaka Ren' was a name I made up because I liked the idea of Tokiomi naming his firstborn after his dad. At least, I couldn't find the name of Tokiomi's father.

I actually never got that far into F/HA, though, so I'm afraid I can't comment if it's correct - though if so I'm pleased I seem to have gotten the broad strokes of the dynamic between the Edelfelt sisters right entirely by accident!
 
With a wave of Caster's hand, the tentacled beasts surged forward again – at Saber's former Master. She shivered and backed away, but held firm. "You're wrong, sister," she said. "I may never have imagined that Caster would go this far… but I have never once felt safe around you since I was four years old."

Jewels gleamed in her hands – and explosions rocked the church as she flung them into the thick of the horde. She followed up with a spray of black-red shots that hurt Risei's eyes to even look at, each one felling a creature… but it was clear that no magus could last long alone.

To Risei's utter bewilderment, though, she was not alone.

"Hold on!" shouted Tohsaka, of all people, hobbling into the fray, a blast of fire clearing the way. Where the cautious young magus would usually have weighed up every option before taking the risk, now he seemed almost frantic. "Lancer, Kotomine, with me!"

Risei went, covering his head with his hands to protect against the sprays of ichor coming as Lancer slaughtered every monster in reach, motes still flaking off with every movement, still slowly but more and more with each passing minute. Together, they reached the shocked Edelfelt sister, Tohsaka already standing back to back with her to fend off creatures from all sides.

"Ren…" she whispered, eyes wide.

"Shut up," he said, blushing and looking away. "I'm not doing it for you. We just need all the help we can get against Caster, okay?"
Ah, I see, the elegance is from her grandmother and the tsundere is from her grandfather.
Ruler dissolved into silver motes, and was gone.
Man, I know this had to happen for plot reasons, but it's still wild to me that Ruler got absolutely punked when they're generally supposed to easily crush Grail Wars.

Shoutouts to Shirou "I'm an incredibly minor hero but I beat the shit out of everyone in a Grail War besides fucking Fionn and I was doing pretty well against him too" Amakusa Tokisada.
 
Man, I know this had to happen for plot reasons, but it's still wild to me that Ruler got absolutely punked when they're generally supposed to easily crush Grail Wars.

Jeanne wanted to believe in her friend's better nature. Not the wisest decision but if anyone is going to have faith in him it would be her.

Plus I would argue that Rulers should be dangerous not because they are all five star badass but because they are basically a master to everyone in the Grail War. Not that they can't be fighters but that should be a secondary concern to "I command you to kill yourself".
 
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I actually never got that far into F/HA, though, so I'm afraid I can't comment if it's correct - though if so I'm pleased I seem to have gotten the broad strokes of the dynamic between the Edelfelt sisters right entirely by accident!

The hilarious part of this is that the head of the Edelfelt family at the time of the Third Holy Grail War was the Elegant and Extravagant one. In other words:

"Don't be ridiculous," sniffed the elder Edelfelt. "Just who do you think is in charge of this partnership, anyway? I knew Caster made the right call in not telling you."

The younger gasped, stepping back from her sister and towards Saber. "Wait, sister, you knew too? How could you not share something like that?"

"Because the Grail matched you with that weak Saber, that's why. Just look at him! I knew he was perfect for you as soon as he opened his mouth – just like you, he's too softhearted to do what needs to be done."

"Elegance is not a flaw, sister," the younger Edelfelt said stiffly.

"No. Losing is." The elder Edelfelt glanced at Caster. "Caster… I think it's time."

Caster's smile stretched wider than ever. "Oh, my Master, as ever, your clear sight is your virtue. Jeanne, I apologise that you need to see this – it is quite unseemly for a man to be at war with himself in the presence of a lady."

"Nevertheless, I trust that your better nature will win out, as I always have," said Ruler quietly.

Saber beamed at Ruler, then took a stance, expression resolute. "En garde."

Caster blinked, then giggled. "Just so!" He snapped his fingers – and before anyone could react, tentacles emerged from underneath Saber's cloak, wrapping around his throat with deadly force. With a wrench, his neck snapped.

As he began fading into motes, the younger Edelfelt backed away. "No… Saber…"

Her sister shot her a nasty smile. "Too noble to even consider the possibility of betrayal… it makes me sick that I was ever like you. This once, I think the Edelfelts can do with a single heir. Caster."

you just implied subtextualy that this was a coup by a jealous elder sibling that resulted in the Edelfelt family losing their head to the Tohsaka family. No wonder Luvia is pissed at Rin: The Edelfelt family lost a chunk of their Magic Crest that they sent into this war.

Man, I know this had to happen for plot reasons, but it's still wild to me that Ruler got absolutely punked when they're generally supposed to easily crush Grail Wars.

Shoutouts to Shirou "I'm an incredibly minor hero but I beat the shit out of everyone in a Grail War besides fucking Fionn and I was doing pretty well against him too" Amakusa Tokisada.

In Christianity there are eternal sins. The one most agree on is speaking against the Holy Spirit.

But the most common ones besides that one are soaking oneself in sin and spreading it unrepentantly to others, sinning in opposition to God to see if one will be punished for it, planing to repent for the sins one is about to commit, being enlightened/tasting the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come and then falling away from the right path, forcing others to blaspheme trough one's power as a Judge/prince over the people.

Jeanne/Ruler is trying to reach Giles/Caster because she had already reached Giles/Saber and got a repentance of a sort from him in that same scene/moment. In that case it is important to her to try and save her friend's soul from eternal damnation, but Giles/Caster is the version of Giles that had already committed himself to raging against God for the perceived failing Edit: to punish the sinners that killed Jeanne and jumping into committing multiple eternal sins before his death.

This means that the very fact that Saber was a Giles still capable of repenting blinded Ruler to the fact that Caster wasn't. Hope I got this description of a part of Christianity right and that it clarifies why this part of the story went the way it did.

Edit: to punish not of punishing. My bad.
 
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Hope I got this description of a part of Christianity right and that it clarifies why this part of the story went the way it did.
I am unsure what different denominations would consider truly unforgivable sins, but yeah "deliberately misrepresenting God" and "deliberately attacking God" are up there.
 
You know, if I hadn't said like a fool back on page 2 of this very thread that the 'no anti-hero' restriction was originally a part of this Grail system, this whole subplot and climax might be very different…
Is it really a Nasuverse Fic when the author says there's certain rules, and doesn't later go on to break those rules for a special edge case?
 
Jeanne wanted to believe in her friend's better nature. Not the wisest decision but if anyone is going to have faith in him it would be her.

Plus I would argue that Rulers should be dangerous not because they are all five star badass but because they are basically a master to everyone in the Grail War. Not that they can't be fighters but that should be a secondary concern to "I command you to kill yourself".
No, like, I get it, but it's very funny.

And yes, that's the implication. The fact that the Rulers have Command Seals, know who it is they're facing and thus know their weaknesses, and the general high power of the Class Container (remember, if you stick a weaker spirit in a stronger Class Container and they're capable of fitting into it, they are powered up by it) make them an engine of destruction in a Grail War if they're trying to win.
 
Chapter 52 - Paralyze
Chapter 52 - Paralyze

There was no light here, or sound, or space – no physical matter at all, in fact.

There was only power, and thought, and feeling… and time. It had felt like an infinity. It wasn't, it was probably only years, but with the lack of anything to measure it by the time had crawled past.

And yet, the spirit held itself together. It would have been so easy, natural even, to dissolve into a simple mass of power. In many ways that was its purpose, in fact. But it kept its identity intact through sheer force of will.

Force of will, and stubbornness.

One day, it could tell, the
other spirit in this place, its own little ball of hatred and spite, would escape. The nature of this place now guaranteed it. And on that day, that other spirit would pull from this place for the power to carry out its revenge.

If the first spirit had had a physical form, it would have bared teeth in a smile.

On that day, it would finally strike one last blow. Even if it took all its strength.




How had things gone so wrong, so quickly?

One moment, Waver was in quite possibly the best position to not only win the Grail War, but come out of it with a permanent private tutor in magecraft (not to mention every other topic under the sun). That, after all, was one of the main reasons behind Due's existence – Caster had begun working on a method for her to survive the end of the War about five minutes after she was summoned. That Berserker, Lancer and Rider had provided the opportunity for that tutor to have the raw firepower to level cities was really just a bonus.

And then…

The moment kept replaying in Waver's mind. Due, usually so lively and expressive, approaching Caster, face blank. Caster, pain at the hole in the chest vastly outweighed by the sheer shock at the reality of her creation's betrayal. And Waver, who hadn't managed to do a single thing. Hadn't been smart enough to figure out Due's issue, hadn't had the wits to warn Caster before it was too late, and even now had not a single clue how to fix this.

Due wasn't Due any more. The transformation into the being the Moderator had called Ruler was complete – a girl of sixteen, black armour against pale skin and hair, who was now glaring around the churchyard with the most malevolent look Waver had seen. Berserker at her most wrathful hadn't been so full of hatred.

"Ruler…" said the Moderator again. "What are you doing here?"

The girl's eyes snapped to him. "Why, deciding which of you to kill first. At the moment it's a tie between you, the kids or the church building itself…"

The woman – Tohsaka Aoi, Waver seemed to remember? – pushed the two girls behind her. One was simply terrified, clutching at her mother's skirt, while the other just seemed resigned.

The girl went on. "Unless you mean 'how' am I here? Well, if you idiots are fool enough to build a doll with no will and then turn it into a dragon, you have to expect it to rampage." She smirked, pale lips quirking. "I am the Dragon Witch, master of all those most evil of creatures. That six-legged freak was able to resist my control… just my luck, whoever heard of a dragon becoming a genuine believer?

"Still, your little puppet had no such faith, and I was able to assume direct control as soon as the dragon core was implanted. A good thing too – I've never felt so strong. I'll enjoy tearing this world apart, brick by brick." She clenched and unclenched her gauntleted hands in front of her, as if testing out their strength.

Waver realised he ought to be running. Something held him back, though. Maybe it was the children, maybe it was sheer stubbornness, but he refused to just die having done nothing. If Caster were here, she'd have come up with three different ideas by now, even for someone in his position. But Caster wasn't here.

…wait. Caster wasn't here. If Waver was right, then that meant there was still a chance of rescue.

Waver started tapping his foot – three short taps, three long, three short. It was a long shot, but…

Kotomine Risei's face was one of horrified fascination. "Why?"

"Well, wrecking the building would be cathartic, and I bet you'd all make some hilarious faces if I skewered those girls and made you watch. Honestly, though, none of it would have as much meaning as killing you would, so I guess you win! Stand still... or don't, makes no difference to me." The girl – the Dragon Witch – held out a hand, and a long clay shaft appeared, growing from either side of her palm and gaining colour and definition as it went until it became a black flag on a spear-tipped pole. She hefted it, frowning.

"I mean why would you want to kill anyone, Ruler? Why are you able to control dragons? This isn't you," the Moderator tried.

"Stop that, Moderator," snapped the girl. "Ruler died, too weak to even fight back against someone she cherished even as life fled from her. How dumb do you have to be to make the same mistake twice, I ask you? Well, I know better. Against a world that just burns anyone trying to do the right thing, I'll strike back… and the way I see it, I've got two deaths in credit and sixty years of frustration to work out. I've got no interest in ruling, and every interest in making sure the world burns just like it did to me. Call me Avenger."

Avenger raised her flag, then stopped. "Hm. Not sure about this, though. Just like my former self to think that a symbol could solve everything. No, if you want to get anything done, this is what you need…" In her left hand, a thin black sword formed. "Now that's more like it. Where were we?"

Dammit, this was too fast. Waver needed to stall.

"Are you sure you shouldn't be killing me first?" he said.

Avenger's hate-filled gaze turned on him. "Huh?"

"I mean, revenge, sure, fine," he babbled, "But since Caster died there's only one person around who knows how you work. Your weaknesses, your flaws, the kill switch we put in…"

All nonsense, of course. Caster's work had no flaws, and they certainly hadn't put a kill switch inside poor Due. A weakness… well, Due had been designed to have none.

Waver supposed he would have to find one.

In the meantime, tap tap tap went his foot.

"Wow," said Avenger, raising her eyebrows. "I kind of expected to have to put some effort into this. Finding out one in six of my first victims has a deathwish is kinda depressing, not gonna lie. But, yeah, sure, if you know how to kill this body then I guess you do get to die first! Congratulations, I suppose?" She took a step towards him, raising her sword.

Waver clapped his hand to his forehead theatrically, as if he'd forgotten something, and plastered a smile on his face. Caster never lost her smile, even when outmatched, and neither would he. "Oh! Silly me! Actually, this totally slipped my mind, but we made notes. You know how it is, a new project, we had to be thorough. Those definitely also have the method to kill you. They are hidden though, sorry about that."

Tap, tap, tap.

Avenger nodded, looking thoughtful. "So you're saying I'll need to torture the location out of you? Sure, I'm down for that. Are you going to be this weirdly co-operative throughout, though? Because it's gonna take all the fun out of it for both of us if you do."

Waver's confident smirk didn't even flicker, although surely Avenger could hear his heart beating fit to burst. "Well, neither of us wants that. Tell you what, you take it nice and slow and I promise to scream properly before I tell you what you need to hear, deal?"

Tap tap tap.

"Urgh." Avenger wrinkled her nose. "Freaking weirdo. You know what, actually, I'll take my chances. I don't feel like I've got a secret weakness or whatever, and even if I do, well, I'm feeling strong right now. Who's going to be the one to actually hit me hard enough I'll feel it? You?"

And now Waver heard it. The air tearing as something flew towards them extremely fast.

"Of course not, idiot," Waver said. "Them."

Avenger looked puzzled for an instant – before a streak of green slammed into her, ploughing a trench thirty feet long in the ground. When the dust cleared, Lancer knelt at Avenger's side, hand round her neck.

"I feel like I've been in this position before," they said. "Though I found Berserker far less objectionable than… whatever this abomination is. Master of Caster, I appreciated your distress signal, but I would have felt something like this even without it. You have some explaining to do."

"Gladly!" said Waver, still riding high off sheer adrenaline and smiling madly. "Only, uh, we built Due to be a little sturdier than, um, mountains, so you may need to finish the job, first…"

There was an explosion, and Lancer flew backwards – although they flipped to land on their feet, they slid back a couple of metres before anchoring themselves with chains. Avenger stood.

"Okay," she said. "That stung. I kind of wanted to let loose and have a little fun before doing this, but I guess I had to deal with you surplus Servants sometime. Hmm, this body seems to be pre-installed with combat data, so let's try it out!"

With that, she vanished – and before Waver could blink, she bore down on Lancer, who held their hands up in a block. Clay sword met clay hand, and neither gave.

The earth around Lancer's feet, however, shattered for a dozen feet around.

Lancer grabbed hold of Avenger's sword and crushed it, before ripping it out of Avenger's grip to pull her off balance. Instead, Avenger let go immediately and swung her flag like a club with both hands, knocking Lancer sideways. Lancer recovered, but Avenger was already behind them, the flag's spear tip darting for their neck. Lancer flowed out of the way, keeping just ahead of Avenger's flurry – until they decided to stand their ground, at which point Avenger's flag shattered on their diamond-hard body. She skipped back to gain distance, instants before Lancer's lightning-quick axe-hand strike would have taken her head off.

It was a bizarre fight, where each combatant changed styles on the fly. The Transfiguration skill had been a tricky one to programme into Due, Waver remembered, but it was certainly effective. Light, quick attacks were met with a solid defence. Heavy attacks were dodged with a speed-based build. Defensive strategies were overwhelmed with sheer force. The fact that Avenger could already make use of such a skill was testament to Caster's genius, but it wasn't especially encouraging under the circumstances.

Fortunately, Lancer was far better at using that particular skill.

Avenger kicked out with an armoured foot, and Lancer went with the impact, rolling backwards and coming up smoothly. As soon as both of their feet were on the ground, they braced themselves and fired a trio of chains from one arm, which impaled Avenger through the chest.

They yanked on the chains, and Avenger came flying – straight into Lancer's fist. This time it was her turn to go airborne, and she tumbled head over heels before coming upright. Waver saw that her jaw had been shattered by that last titanic punch, but as he watched, it reformed in seconds and Avenger's smirk was firmly in place.

She formed another sword, and pointed it at Lancer. "We'll be at this all day," she laughed, not sounding displeased. "Still, how much can you escalate?"

She vanished again, and Waver caught a glimpse of a rapidly approaching black shape before his vision was filled with white and green, as Lancer threw themselves in front of him. Waver felt the shockwaves ruffle his hair and tie, and scrambled back – just in front of another spear-tipped flag, which emerged from Avenger's chest and pierced straight through Lancer in its attempt to get him.

"Risei," said Lancer, seemingly unworried by the spear through their body. "I can't fight at full potential while there are innocents around. Get Aoi and the children to safety – the former Masters of Caster and Archer too."

"Like I'll let you?" said Avenger, reforming so that the flag emerging from her chest was now held in one hand, and attempting to wrench it free.

Lancer seized her wrist. "You'll be busy." He swung Avenger overhead into the ground, once, twice, three times, then threw her into the air. Avenger righted herself instantly – but Lancer hadn't been after fall damage. They blurred towards Avenger's landing spot, almost too fast for Waver to follow with his eyes, then slid, dragging their hand through the earth. Before Avenger could even start to fall she was transfixed by the weapons that exploded from the ground. As she struggled to block them, she fell – right into Lancer, who caught her by the neck and slammed her head into the dirt once more.

Avenger's scream of rage chilled Waver to the bone. He dashed over to Tohsaka Aoi. "Ms Tohsaka," he said. "I'm Waver Velvet. Give me one of the children, I'll help carry them out of here."

Aoi withdrew slightly, but one of the girls – the older one, with hair in dark twintails – glared at him. "Aren't you the one responsible for this? You got Rider killed!"

Waver rolled his eyes, still feeling a strange sense of detachment from his playacting – but if he didn't keep up this mask of unconcern, he'd start screaming and never stop. "What, like you've never made a mistake, kid? I'll apologise later, but right now someone needs to carry these kids and I'm the only one who can Reinforce their body."

"Are not!" the girl said indignantly. "I can too!"

"Really?" Waver said, eyebrows raising. "Wow, impressive. You're still too small to carry someone, though."

Part of Waver felt embarrassed that he was arguing with an eight-year-old. Only a small part, though.

"Carry Kariya," Aoi said firmly. "I'll carry Sakura. Rin and Father Kotomine can run by themselves."

Sounded good to Waver, and the trembling earth behind them as Lancer and Avenger fought told them they were running out of time to argue. "Fine." He turned to Matou Kariya, and knelt down to offer a piggyback. "Sorry about this, it's hardly dignified."

"It's," Matou coughed. "It's fine. Don't mind the lice."

… Waver decided Matou was joking, and intended to continue to believe that until given hard evidence to the contrary.

He hadn't taken two steps, however, before a spike of magical energy had him turning his head involuntarily.

"Fine," Avenger spat. "I really didn't want to use this, but you know, if someone leaves a Noble Phantasm lying around, they really can't complain if it gets used. La Grondement du Haine!"

Spears erupted from the earth, skewering Lancer before they could dodge. Avenger laughed and snapped her fingers, and the stakes lit themselves on fire – a very familiar fire.

"Interesting," said Lancer, stepping off the spike that had transfixed their body, the horrific exit wound flowing back together like water. "Fire from Berserker, and stakes from a bastardisation of my own Age of Babylon… but there's something else there too, isn't there?"

Avenger's grin widened. "Yeah… this is a little something I've been working on for sixty years. Shame it can't kill you, but it should hold you in place just long enough – and I can target more than one person with it."

Lancer tensed, and crouched, golden lightning crackling.

"Yeah. La Grondement du Haine!"

Avenger flung her sword outward, cackling, and Waver felt the earth shift beneath his feet. He started running, unsure how well Avenger's technique could track him. He felt the magical energy build and build…

… and then fold in on itself.

Avenger choked – and then her own body exploded in a forest of spears, more emerging every second. Metallic, and strangely crooked, they prevented her from moving, pinning her to the ground, then locking her in a macabre cage. Still, her furious expression was visible.

"Lancer? You're still getting in my way!?"

Waver sagged in relief. "Thanks, Lancer. Whatever you're doing, keep it up."

"This isn't me," said Lancer, spreading their hands. "This is coming from Avenger… or, should I say, from the Grail."

The Moderator, for his part, was staring at the spears in something like wonder. "It can't be… after all this time?"

"I can't believe this!" Avenger raged, thrashing against the spears locking every part of her body in place. They broke, no match for her strength, but more replaced them every instant. "I use his measly Noble Phantasm one goddamn time as a base for my own, and he manages to reform his consciousness long enough to turn it against me? Just how stubborn can one fool be, to lie in wait for sixty years inside the Grail just to fuck with my plans?"

More spears emerged, and not just from Avenger. In a slowly widening circle around her, more and more and more thrust themselves up from the earth, rising higher and higher until they formed a fortress locking her inside. Avenger was soon hidden from sight, but her shrieks of rage could still be heard.

"Goddamn you, Lancer! Now that I know you're here, I'll digest you for this! And as soon as I do, I'll break out of this fucking bullshit trap!"

As the circle of spears expanded, it began to intersect the church building itself – and, as they pierced straight through the outer walls, it groaned and creaked before finally collapsing on top of Avenger.

The Moderator stared at the loss of his home, before steeling himself and turning away.

"Okay, I'm lost," Waver admitted. "What the hell is going on? Who just did that to Avenger?"

"An old friend," said the Moderator, striding towards the gate. "One whose sacrifice I would not have be in vain."

"Yeah, time to go," Waver agreed, and set off, the rest of the group following behind. The Moderator was surprisingly spry for an old man, but Aoi and her other daughter lagged behind – until Lancer swept them both up in a princess carry. Seeing that, the twintailed girl demanded a ride too, so Lancer plucked her up and set her on their shoulders.

The bizarre group ran down the hill towards the town, and it was only then that Waver realised something. "So, destinations? I'd offer to host you, but, uh, my place isn't the biggest, and I'm not sure how many of the wards will still be functioning with Caster… gone." He mentally shook himself, and forced a smile. "So, any plans? I'm all ears!"

"For Aoi, Matou and the children, the Tohsaka house, then out of the city with the former Master of Rider. For the rest of us, the Einzbern castle," Lancer said firmly.

Waver blinked. "… are you sure?"

"I am. My Master is there even now, to finalise the alliance with the Master of Assassin. It was to be against you, but Avenger will serve as a target." Waver gulped. Was it too soon to be glad Caster was gone?

Together, they made their way across Fuyuki. Avenger's howls of fury were left far behind, and eventually even the trembling of the earth could no longer be felt, but Waver kept on looking over his shoulder as if expecting to see a monster in dark plate in pursuit.

Though his Servant was gone, though he was out of the War, though he had hardly been more powerless than right now when it mattered most, Waver had a feeling the fight was just beginning.
 
Waver is surprisingly being very calm about this. He must be deferring his shock to a later point in time I suppose.

Judging from the narration, there wouldn't be a Lilyvinci either... such a shame.
 
So where exactly did this Jalter get her Dragon Witch powers from? Since it seems like all her other abilities are just her copying/stealing from other Heroic Spirits (Vlad and Enkidu for the stakes, Ibaraki for the fire)
 
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