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A Play of Blood and Shot (ASOIAF NG)

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Velasco said:
- Stupid colony I don't give a shit about and inherited from previous player
- revived Rhoynar magic in a world where magic has bloomed and flourished to unprecedented levels, again inherited from previous players
- wyverns as small fire-less dragons aren't particularly exceptional, I feel, a more accurate criticism would be me bothering with longstrider dinos
- dragons are canon

=/= Mary-Kate and Manhattan of House Stark.

And oh my word I've just remembered the whole playing Children of the Forest as being mentally/developmentally actual children......help me Lord, whyyyyy.... :sad::cry:
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Jesus man' I didn't ment it like that!

I meant that a 70 year old children will act like a child because he is one to his people. Of course, when he is 300-700 he'll be a freaking adult! And by a 1000-2000 he'll be freaking ancient! That's all I meant!

Seriously. :mad:
 
Texan said:
I was going to mention this in the other thread, but I will mention it here. After all our differences, I think two things can be said.

The first is, for all your complains, you tend to join any ASOIAF based nation game.

The second is, we have different opinions on plenty of things on this genre. From the settings, to game rules, to how these games are run. There does not seem much of a point in arguing, as all it does is make things awkward for the other players and wastes posts in the ooc threads.
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- Would you give greater consideration to my points if I was a less active participant in our community? Seems absurd.

- In the name of "not making things awkward" you shut down all discussion, often without knowing what even is going on or having the faintest idea of what is being talked about (as we saw above, wherein a game you are supposedly moderating ended without you even being aware), which accomplishes absolutely nothing. How is this a productive problem-resolution strategy?​
 
EliudFS1 said:
Jesus man' I didn't ment it like that!

I meant that a 70 year old children will act like a child because he is one to his people. Of course, when he is 300-700 he'll be a freaking adult! And by a 1000-2000 he'll be freaking ancient! That's all I meant!

Seriously. :mad:
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It was kinda disturbing and completely at odds with how serious a mood their whole "twilight of our race"/"apocalypse is coming and we shall be the first to fall" vibe is in canon and should be in the hopefully-rare occasions they show up in any of our games.​
 
Velasco said:

It was kinda disturbing and completely at odds with how serious a mood their whole "twilight of our race"/"apocalypse is coming and we shall be the first to fall" vibe is in canon and should be in the hopefully-rare occasions they show up in any of our games.​
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Well, the only child of the Forrest that actually acted like a child was leaf in the original game. And she was like 40-70 years old. She was around 250-300 years old at Canon dates, and she was about the youngest of them there. It stands to reason that the situation is a lot more hopeless for them if no children of the Forrest have been born for centuries. Not having new life would depress the hell out of a community.
 
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EliudFS1 said:
Well, the only child of the Forrest that actually acted like a child was leaf in the original game. And she was like 40-70 years old. She was around 250-300 years old at Canon dates, and she was about the youngest of them there. It stands to reason that the situation is a lot more hopeless for them if no children of the Forrest have been born for centuries. Not having new life would depress the hell out of a community.
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There's a lot to unpack here. The whole sex change magic plot should never even have existed such is its idiocy and absurdity, not to mention potential offensiveness or insensitivity. Second the introduction and permanence and intermarriage of human beingd with the Children...who are, after all, another species entirely, one whose "young" certainly wouldn't ever act and rationalise and verbalize like a human child?

You're an experienced enough player that should really know better by now, and the same goes for all of the Mods involved who approved all this world-breaking logic-defying canon-contravening rule of cool nonsense. It's disheartening and disappointing to see you replicate the same behaviours game after game, with all feedback and advice going in one ear and straight out the other.
 
Well, for those still around, I will try to continue on with this game. To say it again, we all have invested in this game, especially those who joined it since the first part, so that is why I will take over running the game.
 
Velasco said:
There's a lot to unpack here. The whole sex change magic plot should never even have existed such is its idiocy and absurdity, not to mention potential offensiveness or insensitivity. Second the introduction and permanence and intermarriage of human beingd with the Children...who are, after all, another species entirely, one whose "young" certainly wouldn't ever act and rationalise and verbalize like a human child?

You're an experienced enough player that should really know better by now, and the same goes for all of the Mods involved who approved all this world-breaking logic-defying canon-contravening rule of cool nonsense. It's disheartening and disappointing to see you replicate the same behaviours game after game, with all feedback and advice going in one ear and straight out the other.
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I took ideas and suggestions and I said why not? And asked if I could.

Glad to be a disappointment to you. To be honest, this matters little. I don't plan to deal with magic or old God's faith for some time. More trouble than it's worth it seems.

My point in this is to have fun. To enjoy myself and write something new, something to add and compete in a game with writers infinetly better than myself. I had fun with the North. I played by this game's rules, argued my case before mods, and defended my actions, both IC and OOC.

What more can you ask for a Nation Game?
 
EliudFS1 said:
I took ideas and suggestions and I said why not? And asked if I could.

Glad to be a disappointment to you. To be honest, this matters little. I don't plan to deal with magic or old God's faith for some time. More trouble than it's worth it seems.

My point in this is to have fun. To enjoy myself and write something new, something to add and compete in a game with writers infinetly better than myself. I had fun with the North. I played by this game's rules, argued my case before mods, and defended my actions, both IC and OOC.

What more can you ask for a Nation Game?
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Logic, plausibility and a minimal respect for the lovely canon material we're basing ourselves on.
 
I would rather put this game to rest so that we may return to the one game model. Clearly there is not enough interest to keep it going and it would be quite selfish to prolong its death to the detriment of the community.
 
Texan said:
Well, for those still around, I will try to continue on with this game. To say it again, we all have invested in this game, especially those who joined it since the first part, so that is why I will take over running the game.
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Can we not continue this? It's far too complicated for anyone to join and the player base now too narrowed for fun. Let's just move on.
 
I also want to drop this. Braavos was fun but there are too few players left and the setting too broken to really see much potential going forwards.
 
ByzantineCaesar said:
I would rather put this game to rest so that we may return to the one game model. Clearly there is not enough interest to keep it going and it would be quite selfish to prolong its death to the detriment of the community.
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This game has been going on almost as long as the original game in the other forum. I think we are all tired of scenarios ending after a few turns because mods leave. I am willing to continue the game, which is a setting with over a century worth of world building.

This is the one setting we have, aside from those of you which are busy, which I know there are several of you, I think we can still make it work until others can make the effort to join again.

Tyrell said:
Can we not continue this? It's far too complicated for anyone to join and the player base now too narrowed for fun. Let's just move on.
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I get you all want to make room to have another game, however, the argument some of you are using was almost the same reason to not continue this game originally. However, two games have succeeded the original, which means clearly there are ways to gain new players.
 
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I don't really know re: moving this forward, interest seems minimal, but if this game were to go forward, toning down magic and tech might be the way forward.
 
Velasco said:
I don't really know re: moving this forward, interest seems minimal, but if this game were to go forward, toning down magic and tech might be the way forward.
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You ASOIAF players need to actually use the megathread. One game at a time. Pick a reasonable period, that jazz. So far, the only game that had insane turnout and interest was Lucienz's one. That shit was lit. All we need is dedicated mods and we can bring it back. Shit was sick af.
 
kızıl sultan said:
You ASOIAF players need to actually use the megathread. One game at a time. Pick a reasonable period, that jazz. So far, the only game that had insane turnout and interest was Lucienz's one. That shit was lit. All we need is dedicated mods and we can bring it back. Shit was sick af.
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I mean...I am in the megathread? I'm the one in the megathread suggesting we cap the number of games? I'm the one here saying there isn't enough interest?
 
Velasco said:
I mean...I am in the megathread? I'm the one in the megathread suggesting we cap the number of games? I'm the one here saying there isn't enough interest?
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I mean, I'm not in there, and I'm certainly not targeting you. I simply quoted you to continue my thought process. If anything this was just a general point to the room. I agree with you.
 
I don't like the idea of keeping magic and tech down, because that made this game distinct from all the others. But whatevs.
 
THatWhichWillBe said:
I don't like the idea of keeping magic and tech down, because that made this game distinct from all the others. But whatevs.
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It's a matter of compatability, some past games got real wierd. In the first game we resurrected a Dothraki super Khal (also trapped his soul in a chicken), the Sea Starks pretty much weaponised the biosphere with warging, Qath had invented a magical radio, was working on a magical radar and Dragons in their hundreds where everywhere.

This game is pretty pedestrian in comparison and in my opinion at a nice high magic level.
 
So, after a while, and slowly reading this game thread, I have some thoughts.

This game had basically two key issues at its heart. The first is thematic inconsistency: Ironanvil's Braavos was very different from Mortis', the North was very different from everywhere else, and the dragon and firearm proliferation made the efforts of individuals meaningless.

The other is basically interpersonal. I think some people were a little annoyed that a few characters dominated the entirely, and got a little more angry then they should over in game events. (For which I think I'm slightly more guilty then most everyone else.)

That said, I'm really loath to completely abandon this game in its entirety. It's, what, a year of our lives? Two? Three? We have probably a million words of posts between all of us, and for many of the players (Wade, Deathwing, and me, at least...) this was our introduction to these things. But I think the essential complaints are true -- the internal canon is immensely complicated and arcane, often doesn't make sense, and is clearly split between a couple interpretations of the setting.*

That isn't to say that we can't keep it going, though. In its basic form, we need conflict to drive these games, warfare being the easiest, and there is more then enough Chekhov' Guns lying around to generate conflict, so that whenever Mina/Ceslas/whomever wants to run it they can.

So, my pitch, tentatively called "A Saga of Blood and Fire:"

We skip forwards a hundred years, to find the world almost gone. Higher civilization had collapsed almost in its entirety, and a city the size of Volantis or King's Landing is utterly unheard of. Everyone of those magical Chekhov's Guns all went off at the same time, unleashing an unprecedented Second Doom onto the world. Volantis and Qohor went to war with each other, rifts in the Freehold splitting, and the ensuing Thin Places in reality split open. Volantis is just like the Valyria it apes, while Qohor resembles a particular forest in Mossovy. Dorne is overrun by shambling Stone Men sharing their infestation by a touch, while the Summer Islands and Po are a Jurassic Park kinda thing riven by internecine warfare over causes no one even remembers.

The North** got caught up in a Dance of the Dragons situation of their own, and that's worse when the various claimants are wizards. Winterfell is a lake. The Neck is gone. The Dreadfort is a forest. There are several immense holes in the Wall, and wights in the hundreds of thousands shamble around. The Children have forsworn their half-breed kin, who themselves are extinct.

The Crownlands met the inevitable consequences of Wildfire proliferation, blood magic, dragons, and a volcano.

And so on and so forth. Magic has consequences. Rapidly upending the social order has consequences. Decades of basically continuous total war has consequences. Emphasize them. It's Fallout: Westeros.

*I think another issue is that many of us are aging out of the zone in which we have a lot of time to do this.

**Super-super-seconding Velasco here. The sex-change magic storyline was borderline offensive.
 
I find a simple continuity of this game far more appetizing than a time jump. If you're going to time jump, might as well make a whole new game without any of the baggage of this one.
 
As unsure as I am about magic in ASOIAF on a major level, this game definitely did give me an appetite for some water-bending and fire-bending characters. OK so they were dead or dying from the inside, but still. Not only is it a shame I never got to go all out with my Not!Katara of the Rhoyne



But it might be an idea in future to have a more magical ASOIAF scenario in future. Maybe re-write Robert's Rebellion so that each faction has its own magical attributes.
 
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