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Not really, I just couldn't help but scoff when rando on the internet compared a rock to a mountian. Granted, only the rock was real... but that's beside the point.
A New Dawn (XCOM/Mass Effect)
- Thread starter Isaacssv558
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Keani
C̵͍̈t̷̼̓h̴̀ͅŭ̶̹l̴̡̈u̸̫͗ ̶̟͌F̵͚́h̶̠͊t̶͍͌ă̷̺g̴̯̊n̷
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I mean, from where I'm sitting the problem is stone and any amount of stone is all horrid. Atrocities don't get to get ranked in order of badness and importance or whatever but acknowledged simply as atrocities. The least bad atrocity doesnt get to become okay or even less than another atrocity.
I get where you are coming from though.
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
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The thing is... There's stone everywhere and everywhen. In varying degrees, sure, but it's not really anything special in the grand scheme of things since there's enough for a mountain in most places where you look. Stalin was worryingly correct in that "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."
Keani
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Yes, that is a sad truth and kinda why I am so intent that both remain to be remembered as the tragedies they are. Because neither was acceptable.
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Your avatar is ironic then?
Keani
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yup. I'd have to be a whole nother kind of delusional for it not to be.
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@Solusandra to answer your question when we bought Greenland we payed about 15 trillion dollars for it. So if you want to check that post out it is the closest we got to a actual number. We have a GDP much higher than what the current Real world is at right now. And we simply have been growing it this whole time. It is only a estimate and we have grown stronger since then so it is likely that each unit is worth even more. Here is the post where we find out how much we kinda spent.
Keani
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I think you're using the wrong quote there. However iirc isaacssv has given a rough conversion on the figure though it's kinda meaningless.
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That is the quote when he said the price of Greenland was more like 15T instead of the 15B the person was using.
Keani
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Ah, I thought you were speaking on the value of the credit. Well, either way it's still probably more relevant to use the credit USD conversion by the payment for Greenland to get the fullest price estimate.
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Which is what that post is about. At a very rough estimate each unit is worth at that time about 1.5 million dollars. It is likely that each unit is worth more now.
Gavoon
Genuine Gangplank
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Having your first contact with aliens result In invasion and mass killings would very much result in xenophobia. People are tribalistic beings, we hate each other for the most stupid of things. Give us a real reason and we'll find a way to hate even more.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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It goes even further than Mass Killings, they performed experiments even beyond the likes of the Nazis and they did this across the world, ruining countries in blood. Thats why i say Xcom verse Humanity would be Xenophobic.
Gavoon
Genuine Gangplank
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- USA
Yup. Thinking otherwise is being overly optimistic and not really understanding human nature.
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Cryssalid swarms.
And the lost.
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I said closer too, not about 15 trillion. I.e. abs(15 trillion - x)<abs(15 billion -x).
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We already had this conversation in detail and at length several times. Unless we actively work to make our people extremely xenophobic we are not going to a bunch of alien hating people. Our people are militaristic not xenophobic especially because we protected them from the worst of the invasion. And with our complete control of space access and the major lead on space tech we are the ones that decide who gets to leave the planet which is ourselves and our allies only.
Kufufu
Adequate at best
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It would seem they want to have it again, seeing as it's on topic, what exactly do you have against it?
Just about everyone has said, and I agree, that this is unrealistic. Peoples children were vivisected right in front if them.
Just imagine how horrific that would be, to have some alien scumbag swoop down from nowhere and start flaying your six year old alive and all the while the only thing you can do about it is scream.
We should be Xenophobes at minimum, Fanatical Xenophobs would be more realistic but people really want to have "relations" with the blue tentacle space women.
Flayed. Children.
I don't see exactly how this is relevant to the conversation being had but yes, that is indeed what is happening.
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@Isaacssv558 are we xenophobic [Y/N]
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The reason is because nothing new is being brought up. Everything you just brought up has already been talked about.
We shielded are people from the worst of the invasion at the cost of our entire military. We lost less than anyone else and suffered the least amount of horrors.
The majority of people now have only lived post invasion so they don't have the memory of the war only the knowledge. We are also not focused on the horrors of the war but on the sacrifice and commitment of the military and XCOM when we teach about the war.
That is why our people are militaristic because we are pushing for that. Also because we let them have a very large well equipped and decently trained militia that most people are a part of.
Our people are somewhat xenophobic but no where near the level of extreme.
Also get off your high horse about why we want this. Most of us don't care and certainly don't trust the Asari. The ones we want to get in good with are the Turians and the Volus. Also because we lose any fight against the Citadel if we make ourselves out to be a threat to them. They outnumber us by such a huge amount it is not even funny.
As for why space access is important is because the rest of the world is much more xenophobic and they need to go through us to spread to the stars. That is if they even want to most do not. The ones the Citadel will meet will be our people and our allies only no crazy xenophobic radicals that want to kill all aliens.
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Not yet, probably want shipyards first.
Claytonimor
WE WILL TAKE JERUSALEM
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That sounds like a great way to get radicals attempting to bomb the citadel.
Keeping the people who hate aliens from ever meeting any aliens is exactly how you get them to keep hating aliens. Not to mention that, unless we somehow manage to stamp out xenophobia completely, we'll be seen as "traitors" by the people back on earth who will have been continuously treated as second class citizens in this plan of yours.
Xenophobia will be a thing, people are too different for it not to be, but xenophobia had more to do with the unknown than with literal aliens. Import aliens who will serve as beacons of their communities and let the work be done on the ground.
It'll be mildly tougher to help people disassociate the previous aliens with the new ones, but one of the best ways to do that is to put them out publicly. Hard to associate a baby vivisector with another alien cooing at a baby or sending their kids to school or coming to church every sunday. Making a big deal of trying to keep them seperate from our more hateful communities will only confirm in the minds if those same communities not only our personal moral degredation but also the alien's own collective evil.
In short, make the unfamiliar familiar, and you don't have to worry about xenophobia as a political force.
Keeping the people who hate aliens from ever meeting any aliens is exactly how you get them to keep hating aliens. Not to mention that, unless we somehow manage to stamp out xenophobia completely, we'll be seen as "traitors" by the people back on earth who will have been continuously treated as second class citizens in this plan of yours.
Xenophobia will be a thing, people are too different for it not to be, but xenophobia had more to do with the unknown than with literal aliens. Import aliens who will serve as beacons of their communities and let the work be done on the ground.
It'll be mildly tougher to help people disassociate the previous aliens with the new ones, but one of the best ways to do that is to put them out publicly. Hard to associate a baby vivisector with another alien cooing at a baby or sending their kids to school or coming to church every sunday. Making a big deal of trying to keep them seperate from our more hateful communities will only confirm in the minds if those same communities not only our personal moral degredation but also the alien's own collective evil.
In short, make the unfamiliar familiar, and you don't have to worry about xenophobia as a political force.
Kufufu
Adequate at best
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Alas that I find myself lacking a fine equine specimen to dismount. I can see why we would want to befriend the volus, they controlled the galactic economy rather well, but why do we care for the turians? They are essentially the police state of the Citadel and thus unlikely to be relevant to us unless we join them, go to war with them or for some reason give them fleet baseing rights in our systems.
One problem with that; we are the minority.
America apparently isn't full of Fanatical Xenophobes but the rest of the world? The world that has been devastated by filthy, alien hands? I imagine they are borderline 40k style Xenophobes.
If we intend to essentially quarantine earth then I suppose it won't matter in the long run but if we make a world government?
Then the vast majority of the population hates aliens and thus, we would hate alien's. Even our allies wouldn't like the citadel races over much.
Same could be said for WW2, would you like to have a nice romantic dinner with Hitler or Himler?
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Y/N. Many individuals are xenophobic, and human culture is likely to remain deeply wary of aliens for some time. The current atmosphere is pretty xenophobic, especially among the older generations. However, second contact is still decades away. Most of those who experienced the atrocities of the Ethereals will be dead. The manifestation of these old memories will depend chiefly on how well Second Contact goes. If it goes excellently humanity will still be wary around Xenos, but will likely conclude that it was the Ethereals and co. who were evil rather than all aliens. If it goes badly then humanity may jump to conclusions and reawaken old fears.
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