Keani
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Second contact, our people have hope that the etherials were a single shitty outlier group
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Ghostdevil
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After such an incident their would be immense distrust from even the most hopeful xenophile, When i say Xenophobia, i don't mean Warhammer 40k Fanatic Xenocider.
Keani
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There will be appropriate suspicion but not like, anything that would make a space verison of the indian removal acceptable unless we have a megabad second contact or breed it intentionally.
Also morals and the manifest destiny but in space is like, barely less shitty than 40k level.
Also diplomacy, we need allies not enemies and trying to forcibly remove natives so we may steal their land that we are entitled to because of our "civilization" "virtue" and "purity" alongside religious bullshit makes enemies not allies.
Oh, and a manifest destiny or indian removal is something I will fight to my last to oppose and something I will not tolerate.
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Ghostdevil
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I was referencing Manifest Destiny in the, SUPER EXPANSION WOO, way. Not the bend the natives over and fuck them way.
Also, I don't think you understand how bad this first contact would be, think Nazis but 100x worse. Add on top of that is there literal alien nature, you have got Tribalism triggered hard. Like think of the grudges humans have today towards each other and those that might be like them or potentially friendly with them then amplify that on Literal Evul Aliens.
Sir LagsAlot
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It physically hurts me to say this but do Alloy Rails the pop growth will mean more in the long term and we can always train the troops in the military slot or after we build the forts if need be.
Keani
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not even going to start on the first contact because the WOG on the subject has been clear, our people aren't nazis unless we make them.
WOG we need to force it or have the shittiest second contact or else there will be apt suspicion but no real xenophobia and that peaceful contact would lessen what xenophobia there is.
Otherwise, expansionism yay is cool, manifest destiny I will fight to oppose.
Ghostdevil
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Wheres that WOG? Also being Anti-alien wouldn't even make us Nazi, since it would technically be the logical position to hold at this juncture since the sample size is like 5 or so, The Ethereals and their slave races.
Keani
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I'll dive through the thread and get it when I've the time.
Also it's a sample size of one, the etherials.
Ghostdevil
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Well i was including their slave races, but i guess that wouldn't be fair since their pretty much mindless.
Nicholas Brooks
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Violation of Rule 2 - We do not advocate genocide here
Keep in mind that we are highly unlikely to find worlds near earth that are populated by sapient species. If we do, they're likely one with connections to the Asari, Turians, etc. This is a no go as we can't beat the combined Citadel races. However, if we encountered a planet of Vorcha i wouldn't really see the issue with removing them. They're barely sapient as is.
Also, if we meet more aliens in the same way canon mass effect humanity did, there is little that can prevent a culture of xenophobia popping up. 2 unprovoked wars from aliens, the first wiping out half of Earth and the second attacking a colony outta nowhere? Not gonna fly.
On another note, I do sorta want to Conquer Batarian space after we get powerful enough assuming they still withdraw from the Citadel. Not a war of extermination of course just a regular total war.
I don't really see much of a point in wondering about Xenophobia until Second Contact comes around. In my opinion, that will be what truly determines how humanity feels about alien lifeforms.
Even then, nothing is probably going to come until we expand outside Sol, and we haven't even explored Mars yet, let along Pluto where the Mass Effect Drive is currently frozen at.
Unless someone decides to appear in Sol, but if that happens, there might be a big problem.
Even then, nothing is probably going to come until we expand outside Sol, and we haven't even explored Mars yet, let along Pluto where the Mass Effect Drive is currently frozen at.
Unless someone decides to appear in Sol, but if that happens, there might be a big problem.
Nicholas Brooks
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Maybe we should try to replicate Ethereal FTL? not being limited by the Mass Relay network would be a massive boon to both our expansion and our strategic flexibility
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well finally got around to see the update. Next is the war turns and first thing first is how we decide to transport our forces. Boats use the boats we do not want the rest of the world to catch on that we are militarizing space yet. We can't hide the amount of traffic we are sending up since with the moon base and all the civilians that are constantly going back and forth from the moon the other Nations should finally realize that no those American merchants were not in fact lying or exaggerating.
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We do not have Etheral FTL we have no idea it is anything beyond vague possibilities that it should exist for the invasion to have been possible. We also have no idea how it would even work. We have gone over the Relay network and what the reapers did to make it the only real option. There is a massive dead zone are the clusters the relays go to. So large that it is impossible to cross.
Sir LagsAlot
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You can avoid double posts by just editing your reply into your previous comment.
Also to add onto this we can't even hide out from the Reapers by never activating the relay as they scour the entire network every time they show up so we'd just be wiped out anyways just in case anyone was thinking about getting smart.
Nicholas Brooks
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I was moreso considering its advantage in a regular war. Also, it's been a while but don't we have an intact(presumably space travel capable) 300m+ battleship or two to study?
Keani
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No indian removals. We can leave the vorcha on their planet if we can't work deals out. Besides, isn't it a shit planet anyway?
As for batarians, conquest is lame. Liberation though... Well, they are slavers.
Hell, iirc the vast majority of batarians were slaves so really destroying the batarian state isn't a war so much as a civic duty, a prosecution of a terrorist organization, and a LIBERATION!
Oh, and we can't well leave the batarians without a state as that's immoral and stuff so clearly we need to take power for their safety and wellbeing.
After all, it would be immoral to Liberate slaves only to leave them unaided as stateless refugees without means to seek their wellbeing.
Besides, they have slaves, anything we do to them is LIBERATION by default and the power of optics.
That would be nice but our glorious QM has implied if not stated it's impossible and has taken vast efforts to invalidate potential methods of not using relays either to connect better or to escape galaxy.
Remember though, there are clusters connected to other clusters by better relays that contain lots of planets and lesser relays so we can probably manage intra cluster infrastructure without rela reliance.
Speculating on that I think we should expand via colonization with intent to secure relays leading in and out of clusters as priority followed by colonization throughout clusters thus maintaining the one real chokepoint that can ever really exist.
I don't think whether or not they know about space really matters as it's a short time until htey know regardless but boats are probably more efficient regardless.
Not impossible, just highly, highly impractical so as to make any extra relay infrastructure a pretty big megaproject just to escape a cluster. Like, not dyson sphere big but big nonetheless.
Not just scouring the system, they scour the systems with relays, the clusters, and eventually the entire galaxy. Otherwise the cluster escape megaproject would actually make sense.
Of course in theory doing the Milky Way to Canis or even Andromeda is something to at least consider even if they're horridly impractical, expensive, and potentially impossible to complete in time. The act of looking torwards possible solutions holds merit in and of itself
Sir LagsAlot
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No the Temple ship which was the only example of Ethereal space tech we know of was destroyed in totality.
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Edits do not send alerts and I didn't feel like letting it sit since trying to get another form of FTL is always a topic that gets away and I want to nip it in the bud.
Doesn't matter none of the ships had an FTL drive the Etherals were not stupid. They did not give anyone access to FTL especially because they were allowing humans to capture and study the tech they sent. Only the Temple ship might have had an FTL nothing else did.
Sir LagsAlot
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...Why not just post it and then edit it into your previous post and then delete the second post? Although I can get behind cutting the FTL argument off before it spiraled out of control again.
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Mostly because it is a minor thing I very rarely if ever double post unless I have to and haven't in this thread as far as I can remember and that is from the very start of this quest. So once in hundreds of posts is not an issue as far as I am concerned.
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yeaaaa.....no. I don't think you play 40K with a comment like this. Manifest destiny was an onion full of problems, but was less bloody and xenophobic than most of the expansions across history. African, European, Asian or Native American (yeah, they had empires too). 40K is literally, we come in and straight up geocide the planet with everybody but T'au. (The T'au do what africa keeps accusing us of, colonizing and then sterilizing, but entire planets rather than whoevers tribe)
They are barely comparable.
I would debate that, personally. Even NuCom 1 outright give us fluff about the slave races cultures and personalities. X2 has the whole Skirmisher debacle. Bureau gave more.
The sectoids are mercilessly cruel xenophobic shits who enjoy torture and are cowards at heart. At least two alien races to come to earth use them as slaves.
The Mutons are Krogans, only with even less tech-savy. They have a variety of ritual tatooing, hire themselves out as mercenaries and have a matriarchal culture. (like hyeena, the females are socially dominant the brutes)
The thin-men were described as highly intelligent, adaptable and loyal, their only failing being an inability to adopt the gift. Why would the Ethereals mention loyalty if mindless drone mind control was the thing?
The Seekers/Gatekeeper we know more or less nothing about other than they're the same race and aquatic, same lack with the Andromedon.
The Cryssalids were the only ones described as being mindless drones.
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Keani
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Yeah, I said it was less shitty, marginally so. And yes, I play 40K, a lot. For some reason my younger siblings love it for reasons I fail to fathom.
However if you're actually going to defend manifest destiny than I feel we're going to have some issues, that shit don't fly with me.
Nicholas Brooks
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Why do you play 40k if you don't like it?
Keani
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Filial piety mostly though some quests here do a bit to motivate.
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