Considering that we should be basing our aircraft out of Japan, and that Japan should be able to provide non-unique supplies (aka everything but munitions, replacement parts, and the expertise to pilot and maintain the planes), we should be able to supply everything via air without too much of a cost overrun.
A New Dawn (XCOM/Mass Effect)
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I honestly don't mind letting the world understand just how technologically advanced and powerful we are. A quick, successful war well prove to local malcontents that foreign wars to protect the Free World and American interests does not mean Vietnam 2.0, which should make future deployments much easier to get public support for. Not to mention, the display of might will greatly help our Big Stick Diplomacy for expanding our sphere of influence.
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CVs are complete overkill for anti-piracy work. The carrier groups are separate from the patrol/anti-piracy groups. Generally, the patrols/escorts are mostly CL or DD, with a few CA for surface bombardment of pirate ports/bases.
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Knight of King Stannis Baratheon
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I think they're mostly dicks by virtue of our main window into them being governments, and governments basically always act like dicks.
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As long as we don't go to war with the Citadel we are going to be working closely with the Turians. They are also more like us due to the similar militaristic bent of our people.
Nope North American makes up a good chunk of the worlds population. Japan survived because of the mass drone fleets and automation. Also most of their people are old and going to die soon. Australia and Africa might be more xenophobic but one is fairly isolated and is doing fine and the other is more focused on the imperialistic French to focus on alien hate.
We are quarantining the nations that are not in our side. Most of them don't care to leave Earth anyways. Also we are not forming a world government we might have a alliance by the time contact is made but no world government. Especially because we don't want to work with some of those our nations. Russia, China, and India have more or less fallen and are no longer a major issue. Also most of the world has been busy fighting each other the last few decades to focus on hating aliens. They still do but they are focusing more on each other.
That is no where near the same thing. That would be saying let's make friends with the Ethereals. The actual way that works is the Nazis we're a terrible thing so that means the modern Germans should be hated. The Citadel is not the Ethereals as long as contact goes well we don't have a problem. We will most likely end up in a war against the Batarians though both because of location and because they are stupid enough to keep coming for us after we tell them what we would do if they did.
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Proposed force:
1 Supercarriers (CV, Elite)
2 Heavy Cruisers (CA, Elite)
20 Light Cruisers (CL, Elite)
80 Destroyers (DD, Elite)
10 Nuclear Attack Submarines (SS, Elite)
Air Force:
1000 F-1 'Templar' Multi-Role Fighters
200 A-2 'Eagle' Ground Attack Fighters
200 B-0 'Raider' Light Bomber
100 B-1 'Bastion' Heavy Bomber
Oppfor has 120 fighters and 12 bombers. 50 of our fighters with D package has more long range fusion missiles then the enemy has planes, this does not include our allied air force. Fighters will mainly be in A and C packages.
Japan also has a good sized naval task force so I kept some of the bigger ships at home to reduce cost as nothing they can do on the surface can threaten us, only threat are subs as fusion missile carrier planes will end any surface sortie.
The heavy bombers will be either carrying 20 air to surface fusion missiles or 80 fusion bombs while the lighter will have 5 air to surface or 20 fusion bombs. Either way more then enough to wipe out their tanks and artillery.
I do suspect that some of the heavy bombers will have the anti navy package and escort our naval forces by air as well
1 Supercarriers (CV, Elite)
2 Heavy Cruisers (CA, Elite)
20 Light Cruisers (CL, Elite)
80 Destroyers (DD, Elite)
10 Nuclear Attack Submarines (SS, Elite)
Air Force:
1000 F-1 'Templar' Multi-Role Fighters
200 A-2 'Eagle' Ground Attack Fighters
200 B-0 'Raider' Light Bomber
100 B-1 'Bastion' Heavy Bomber
Oppfor has 120 fighters and 12 bombers. 50 of our fighters with D package has more long range fusion missiles then the enemy has planes, this does not include our allied air force. Fighters will mainly be in A and C packages.
Japan also has a good sized naval task force so I kept some of the bigger ships at home to reduce cost as nothing they can do on the surface can threaten us, only threat are subs as fusion missile carrier planes will end any surface sortie.
The heavy bombers will be either carrying 20 air to surface fusion missiles or 80 fusion bombs while the lighter will have 5 air to surface or 20 fusion bombs. Either way more then enough to wipe out their tanks and artillery.
I do suspect that some of the heavy bombers will have the anti navy package and escort our naval forces by air as well
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Not to mention the fact that they're extremely expensive to run. There's a reason the US basically has a monopoly on modern ocean control - we're the only nation that can afford it.
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Yes and our air force can provide that between laser weapons and fusion missiles that will cause anyone to pause before trying anything. Space might encourage people to try something and I want lunar base setup with SSI and the beginning of a space force before that happens. The longer they think we are just getting comm and nav sats back up into space the better. And the less likely they are to go down alien alloy manufacturing due to the expense involved .
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This is not anatomically correct, the krogan population is in stark decline.The shade is to close together. So its hard to tell in least your looking close.
Ehhh, their more dicks than assholes. So i guess your right
errr, what do these mean?
Even less anatomically correct, the krogans were removed from governance.
I disagree, we need to end this as fast as possible with maximum force. Ideally once we actually engage the war lasts but a few days. Whatever minor debt setback we incur is by far worth this expense.
I reiterate that maximum force is the way to go, end this as swiftly as possible with maximum force, especially with pretty much all our aircraft being fusion equipped.
End this swift and decisively and we'll be better off in the long run
There is no good reason not to send everything we can. Especially since that already exludes the forces needed domestically and a smaller guard.
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The extra heavy ships really won't provide anything beyond driving up the costs and just our bombers alone provide a crazy amount of firepower versus ground. Fusion missiles and bombs give us a much bigger explosion taking out more troops and vehicles. That does not even count damage from the A-2 hevay laser lance. As it stands even with a smaller force we have overwhelming fire power.
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Knight of King Stannis Baratheon
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I think what they mean is, breaking it down
Ocean deployment is much cheaper and much easier to keep up supply with.
Air deployment is a bit faster but much more expensive.
Orbital deployment is a bit cheaper, a bit easier to keep up supply with, and much faster.
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Pretty much. The CVs are usually kept in reserve, one on each coast, to defend the Atlantic/Pacific.
They represent the magnitude of the modifier they give to your rolls. e.g. Navy gives a bonus to logistics and cost rolls, but nothing to initiative.
What is the benefit of deploying more Aircraft Carriers or Heavy Cruisers? Japan is perfectly located for air sorties into the PRC's territory, and is unsinkable. If we are supplied via air, then we don't need to worry about the PRC Angelis Mortis Heavy Cruiser (or any other bit of their navy) as it won't be able to meaningfully affect the war and the Japanese already have naval superiority.
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Heavy Autolaser (x2): A large automatic weapon capable of putting large quantities of high power laser downrange. (3 km)
Short Range Anti-Air Fusion Missile (x6): An anti-aircraft missile which extends range past visual at the cost of increased size. (36 km)
Anti-Tank Fusion Missile (x4): A short range missile with the sole purpose of destroying enemy vehicles. (36 km)
Short Range Anti-Air Fusion Missile (x6): An anti-aircraft missile which extends range past visual at the cost of increased size. (36 km)
Anti-Tank Fusion Missile (x4): A short range missile with the sole purpose of destroying enemy vehicles. (36 km)
Heavy Autolaser (x2): A large automatic weapon capable of putting large quantities of high power laser downrange. (3 km)
Short Range Anti-Air Fusion Missile (x10): An anti-aircraft missile which extends range past visual at the cost of increased size. (36 km)
Short Range Anti-Air Fusion Missile (x10): An anti-aircraft missile which extends range past visual at the cost of increased size. (36 km)
Heavy Autolaser (x2): A large automatic weapon capable of putting large quantities of high power laser downrange. (3 km)
Guided Fusion Bomb (x10): A large explosive with guidance equipment for increased accuracy. (36 km)
Guided Fusion Bomb (x10): A large explosive with guidance equipment for increased accuracy. (36 km)
Heavy Autolaser (x2): A large automatic weapon capable of putting large quantities of high power laser downrange. (3 km)
Long Range Anti-Air Fusion Missile (x4): An anti-aircraft missile which extends range past visual at the cost of increased size. (100-500 km)
Long Range Anti-Air Fusion Missile (x4): An anti-aircraft missile which extends range past visual at the cost of increased size. (100-500 km)
Jet: An ordinary jet engine providing limited power and range. (Size: 20)
Afterburner: Provides short bursts of very high thrust during combat. Guzzles fuel and breaks stealth.
Afterburner: Provides short bursts of very high thrust during combat. Guzzles fuel and breaks stealth.
Light Armour Plate: Lightweight armour plating grants little protection but reduces weight.
Aerodynamic Contour: A particularly aerodynamic form reduces drag.
Aerodynamic Contour: A particularly aerodynamic form reduces drag.
Heavy Laser Lance (x4): A large direct fire weapon with remarkable penetration. (20 km)
Jet: An ordinary jet engine providing limited power and range. (Size: 20)
VTOL: Allows a plane to perform vertical takeoff and landing.
VTOL: Allows a plane to perform vertical takeoff and landing.
Light Armour Plate: Lightweight armour plating grants little protection but reduces weight.
Targeting Computer: Advanced target prediction software which increases accuracy.
Targeting Computer: Advanced target prediction software which increases accuracy.
Guided Fusion Bomb (x20): A large explosive with guidance equipment for increased accuracy. (36 km)
Air-To-Surface Fusion Missile (x5): A cruise missile which excels against surface targets at standoff ranges. (1,000-10,000 km)
Jet: An ordinary jet engine providing limited power and range. (Size: 20)
VTOL: Allows a plane to perform vertical takeoff and landing.
VTOL: Allows a plane to perform vertical takeoff and landing.
Light Armour Plate: Lightweight armour plating grants little protection but reduces weight.
Aerodynamic Contour: A particularly aerodynamic form reduces drag.
Aerodynamic Contour: A particularly aerodynamic form reduces drag.
Air-To-Surface Fusion Missile (x20): A cruise missile which excels against surface targets at standoff ranges. (1,000-10,000 km)
Guided Fusion Bomb (x80): A large explosive with guidance equipment for increased accuracy. (36 km)
Fusion Torpedo (x40): A guided explosive equipped with aquatic propulsion. Highly effective against naval targets. (36 km)
Long Range Anti-Air Fusion Missile (x40): An anti-aircraft missile which extends range past visual at the cost of increased size. (500-1,000 km)
Jet: An ordinary jet engine providing limited power and range. (Size: 20)
Minimal Emissions: Complex engineering reduces thermal emissions to interfere with infrared targeting.
Minimal Emissions: Complex engineering reduces thermal emissions to interfere with infrared targeting.
Light Armour Plate: Lightweight armour plating grants little protection but reduces weight.
Stealth Armour: Specialized armour materials and a minimal radar profile make the aircraft difficult to locate.
Stealth Armour: Specialized armour materials and a minimal radar profile make the aircraft difficult to locate.
Just a reminder on what our aircraft are
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Knight of King Stannis Baratheon
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So what do we plan? Few expenses spared for a strong impression or a frugal investment for minimal economic impact? And do we want to tip our hand on orbital capabilities or not?
Personally, I'm for the former, then the latter. I want a massive force to roll up and demolish the Chinese so thoroughly that it doesn't even matter that they see us coming.
Personally, I'm for the former, then the latter. I want a massive force to roll up and demolish the Chinese so thoroughly that it doesn't even matter that they see us coming.
Keani
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Okay then, hold back the superheavy ships if they don't add any firepower but send all the planes because they make our overwhelming firepower more so. We have overwhelming firepower and we pretty much won from the gate, the dilemma is not to win the war, that's done, but to win the war as overwhelmingly as possible.
I'm serious, anything that gives us a drop more firepower and makes us more overwhelming needs to get out there. We need to be as overwhelming as possible. The CCP needs to go to bed one day stewing in arrogance and the next have nothing, not even their lives.
Got it, and that would be a cost reduction or increase?
very well, if the heavy naval does us nothing don't send it but by gods don't hold back the nuke equipped aircraft, which is all of them BTW.
Yes, I'm with naval deployment with every meaningful force for maximum overkill.
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I don't want to tip our orbital hand as that can cause others to panic at the thought of American space invasion which will drive them to try and contest us in that field and may cause them to act irrationally.
Naval deployment helps keep costs down as well as best logistics bonus and given the lopsided numbers in terms of actual useful units, well keeping a supply of missiles and bombs to hit stuff until they give up seems to be a bigger issue then anything.
Naval deployment helps keep costs down as well as best logistics bonus and given the lopsided numbers in terms of actual useful units, well keeping a supply of missiles and bombs to hit stuff until they give up seems to be a bigger issue then anything.
Keani
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I think everyone agrees there, naval deployment seems pretty unambiguously better.
Darth.
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@Isaacssv558 Why can't we do both air and naval? The initial surprise vanguard goes by air, while the main force follows by sea.
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Relevant oppfor forces:
? Nuclear Attack Submarine (SS, ?)
100 Main Battle Tanks (Elite)
2,000 Mobile Howitzers (Veteran)
120 Fighters
12 Heavy Bombers
This is the core of actual threats because with air supremacy and fusion bombs infantry blobs are dead.
50 F-1 with long range fusion missiles (package D) is enough to wipe their air for e from the sky. We can double that to 100 to make sure.
That gives us 900 fighters running ground attacking with fusion missiles and bombs. That gives us 300 bombers to take out 2100 ground targets with any grouped together taking out with a single air to surface fusion missile or fusion bomb. Not to mention the 200 attack fighters that mount 4 heavy laser lances each. Just how much of their tanks and artillery would be left after a single pass?
? Nuclear Attack Submarine (SS, ?)
100 Main Battle Tanks (Elite)
2,000 Mobile Howitzers (Veteran)
120 Fighters
12 Heavy Bombers
This is the core of actual threats because with air supremacy and fusion bombs infantry blobs are dead.
50 F-1 with long range fusion missiles (package D) is enough to wipe their air for e from the sky. We can double that to 100 to make sure.
That gives us 900 fighters running ground attacking with fusion missiles and bombs. That gives us 300 bombers to take out 2100 ground targets with any grouped together taking out with a single air to surface fusion missile or fusion bomb. Not to mention the 200 attack fighters that mount 4 heavy laser lances each. Just how much of their tanks and artillery would be left after a single pass?
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You can do that by deploying a smaller force now and shipping in more reinforcements later.
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What our country needs at this point is a short, victorious, war.
Y'know? I kinda like this idea.
At the very least, we should send in some aircraft designated for anti-sub patrols. Subs are really the only thing that can hurt us, but even they can't stop us.
Y'know? I kinda like this idea.
At the very least, we should send in some aircraft designated for anti-sub patrols. Subs are really the only thing that can hurt us, but even they can't stop us.
So what's our goal with our war with China? It's been mentioned we have nowhere near enough troops to invade, but wrecking the government's navy and air force should be enough to either destabilise the Chinese government (leaving the mainland in constant battle between warlord factions, and therefore too busy to cause trouble with Japan) or force it to the negotiating table. If they still decide to hold out we can start chewing up their army with airstrikes.
So if that's our aim we should probably go with deployment by sea to keep our costs down.
So if that's our aim we should probably go with deployment by sea to keep our costs down.
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Destroy their navy (subs are priority targets) destroy their air force, what left of it, destroy their tanks and artillery and see if they want to listen to reason then or if we need to do fusion missile and bomb strikes on the technicals and infantry
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