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A New Dawn (Ex-Papergeist) - A Worm/Naruto Crossover

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AlSmash said:
let's kinda just dial this back a bit
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I don't think we can:
Franklymydear said:
The final thing I'll say on this
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Magery said:
I find it mildly amusing
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That's about as dialed back as things can get.

...though I'll echo Magery's 'I find it mildly amusing' line that your post to ask a discussion that's practically (or completely) halted to stop contains a bunch of lines that make me think you've completely misunderstood me and want to correct you, but I already said I'm dropping it.
 
I'm confused somewhat by your last paragraph as to who that is aimed towards.

The overall intent of my last post was to try and defuse the situation simply because I wanted to clarify my thinking as to the entire situation, allowing you some insight you may not have had (or Magery may have missed), and if you find something faulty in that, calling me out on the situation so I can better improve it. There is no ill intent in what I was trying to say, simply just trying to provide my word and thoughts.
 
So basically Taylor is in the eyes of Victor a Parahuman of the same league of Parian too weak to be useful. But in reality their powers are one of betters that one can obtain with opportunity to reach the S rank
 
Huh... I wonder if Konan's memories of ... the waterfall guy whose name I can never remember who had the Jiongu. (Google Search, I choose you!) Right, Kakuzu. I wonder if her memories of his abilities will lead to Taylor putting a high priority on recruiting or at least avoiding getting on Parian's bad side. It would be amusing to see (and see other people's reactions to) her approaching the "harmless tailor" with the same kind of caution you'd expect for Lung, Kaiser, or the Triumvirate.

And then when Taylor's own scope of ability is more recognized, some very wide eyed second looks at Parian :lol

Edit: Even more so because of Parian's "Not interested in being a hero or villain, thanks, just want to make some money" stance matching as well!
 
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Given that she can become paper, and Victor is reasonably insightful, one would suspect that he immediately suggests to Kaiser that they get any incriminating evidence that's down on paper out of the damned city. Taylor's just made paper her bitch, that implies that if there's something written down on a piece of paper and that paper is within her range, she can get that info, bypassing all normal safeguards.

That, or hopefully make nice with Taylor so that, if they can't have a member, they at least won't have an active enemy who can read all their mail as easy as breathing...
 
With regards to Parian, I think she'd be linked more with Sasori in Konan's mind. Kakuzu may have been made of threads but they operated on a completely different principle compared to Parian's abilities, whereas Sasori specialized in fine manipulation of puppets to fight on his behalf much like Sabah does.

Just had a thought about how this could go down.
Armsy gets a "tip" from a "concerned citizen" who is most definitely not Kaiser or a surrogate that Taylor is joining the Empire. He shows up and sees the apparently peaceful meeting and tries to take them all into custody. Taylor ends up marked as an Empire cape or sympathizer, which throws her original plan into disarray. Eventually she decides to own it, intent on using her knowledge from Konan's life to take over the Empire from within, hence the title.
 
EdBecerra said:
Given that she can become paper, and Victor is reasonably insightful, one would suspect that he immediately suggests to Kaiser that they get any incriminating evidence that's down on paper out of the damned city. Taylor's just made paper her bitch, that implies that if there's something written down on a piece of paper and that paper is within her range, she can get that info, bypassing all normal safeguards.
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Sophia Hess can turn into a shadow (kinda). This does not automatically mean that all of the shadows in the city are under her domain, just that you have to occasionally watch out when wandering in dark alleys. You have to extrapolate quite a lot to get such an extreme level of power out of what Taylor has currently displayed.
 
TSBasilisk said:
With regards to Parian, I think she'd be linked more with Sasori in Konan's mind. Kakuzu may have been made of threads but they operated on a completely different principle compared to Parian's abilities, whereas Sasori specialized in fine manipulation of puppets to fight on his behalf much like Sabah does.
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That is a good point, and the puppets are what she plays up as a public angle rather than that she's controlling them by manipulating the threads. Given that Sasori was if anything even more dangerous if not quite as hard to kill as Kakuzu, that only makes it more ... interesting. :D
 
Now I'm sort of tempted to write a cracky omake where Taynan does exactly what's been suggested when first meeting and talking with Parian.

But first I have to finalise proof-reading my friend's dissertation, and then finish my cute, fluffy, adorable-snuggles yandere romance short story, so... I'll probably forget about it.

Somebody else is welcome to take on the challenge!
 
SystemicHatter said:
This does not automatically mean that all of the shadows in the city are under her domain, just that you have to occasionally watch out when wandering in dark alleys. You have to extrapolate quite a lot to get such an extreme level of power out of what Taylor has currently displayed.
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I know. My point, the same point my drill instructors beat into me during basic training, is to always assume the worst possible scenario, and never ever underestimate the enemy. Overestimate them, but never underestimate them. Paranoia is your friend when in conflict.

So even if it's an incorrect interpretation of Taylor's power, the possibility should occur to Victor, and he should suggest countermeasures to his boss. Just in case.
 
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So what you're saying is you are going to use logic and reason to sort out this battle instead of making the characters know everything like an audience?

That's not good writing at all. Everyone needs to know what we know. That way the story works.
 
TSBasilisk said:
Armsy gets a "tip" from a "concerned citizen" who is most definitely not Kaiser or a surrogate that Taylor is joining the Empire. He shows up and sees the apparently peaceful meeting and tries to take them all into custody. Taylor ends up marked as an Empire cape or sympathizer, which throws her original plan into disarray. Eventually she decides to own it, intent on using her knowledge from Konan's life to take over the Empire from within, hence the title.
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I'll be honest with you. That was part of the original draft I had in my head a few months ago. Well, at least the 'tip' from Definitely-Not-Coil.

Magery said:
Now I'm sort of tempted to write a cracky omake where Taynan does exactly what's been suggested when first meeting and talking with Parian.

But first I have to finalise proof-reading my friend's dissertation, and then finish my cute, fluffy, adorable-snuggles yandere romance short story, so... I'll probably forget about it.

Somebody else is welcome to take on the challenge!
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Too late, pinned in the discord =P
 
EdBecerra said:
I know. My point, the same point my drill instructors beat into me during basic training, is to always assume the worst possible scenario, and never ever underestimate the enemy. Overestimate them, but never underestimate them. Paranoia is your friend when in conflict.

So even if it's an incorrect interpretation of Taylor's power, the possibility should occur to Victor, and he should suggest countermeasures to his boss. Just in case.
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I get this, but this is such an extreme to which to extend Taylor's power that so many worst case scenarios Victor could come up with, that I don't see why that particular possibility need necessarily occur to him. Equally possible is that Taylor could be a paper form of Shatterbird; or even worse, able to control any wood product at all. These are equally valid worst-case scenarios, all of which carry a great risk, and all of which it would be highly difficult and expensive to actually counteract. It's like suggesting contingencies for Glaistig Uaine suddenly deciding to go Brockton Bay and kill all the parahumans there - it could happen, but the possibility is so remote you're not going to be thinking about it until it actually happens.
 
Maybe I'm just slow, but I have no idea what "pinned in the discord" is supposed to mean or why it would be significant... Is it something to do with the chat service somehow? I've tried that, but it didn't work despite allowing scripts and cross-site requests etc. for the page so I shrugged and closed the tab.
 
Czlyydwr Llrngwl said:
Maybe I'm just slow, but I have no idea what "pinned in the discord" is supposed to mean or why it would be significant... Is it something to do with the chat service somehow? I've tried that, but it didn't work despite allowing scripts and cross-site requests etc. for the page so I shrugged and closed the tab.
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@AlSmash has a Discord server originally created for Ice and Fire but more generally for Code Geass/anime/etc fans (the link is supposed to go out with the next chapter of Ice and Fire so in about thirty years from now).

The two of us (and a couple of other authors) have a writing group on Skype where we mostly talk about this stuff, but I don't have Skype on the device I'm using right now, so we were chatting in that Discord server instead.

He pinned a message in that server (you can do that with Discord to get easy links to important posts) saying "Remember that Omake" and tagging me in it :V
 
With meta knowledge we know that all powers are designed for conflict; if they can't be used for combat then they have utility worth claiming.
Victor doesn't have meta knowledge, but he's probably noticed that there's not really any useless powers, and thus if a power seems useless at first glance then there's a fair chance you're missing something.
 
Maybe, but Taylor's 'initial' paper power would already be really good for infiltrating. Not fantastic, but has some potential. It seems reasonable to assume that could just be it.
 
He also has direct evidence that the video was not all there is to know. Taylor just formed out of paper sheets in front of him, and is neither naked nor (for whatever reason, obvious to us as being a paper clone but not so much IC) accessible to his own power.
 
aguy said:
Nice Strangelove reference!
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Is it bad I never saw Strangelove until after I heard it in SAO Abridged?

On another note, had to stop myself from an idea that popped up into my head about another Worm idea. This time, simply, Taylor actually dies and returns as a Testament (from Xenosaga).
 
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