A Matter of Worth (Worm/Mighty Thor, alt-power, DEAD)

According to my knowledge, the Marvel Thor NEVER used that tactic.:confused:

Mjolnir CANNOT be even lifted by the unworthy. So it could work.:evil:

Few in Marvel can say they lifted the Hammer, I remember only Captain America.;)
Jane and thor have both used that trick on loki in the comics though loki has used shapeshifting to escape from jane at least
 
A machine can move Mjollnir. A human with a forklift could do it. Leviathan could just use a wave instead; we don't think of a wave as a machine, but it's just as inorganic as a forklift. It's still heavy even if you use a machine, but I think Leviathan could manage it.

That also assumes that Leviathan himself doesn't count as a machine. Are endbringers constructs?
 
...Didn't Thor manage to hit the Hulk into orbit?

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There are also a ton of other crazy feats he's pulled of, like saving Red Hulk from a black hole and 'summoning the winds of a thousand worlds'. Seems pretty high-tier to me.
Oh I'm not saying Hulk WILL beat Thor. Frankly such a conflict could go either way and depends heavily on outside factors. Thor is one of the highest tiered comic heroes, but he isn't necessarily the strongest or the one with the most powerful distance attack, indeed what makes him so formidable is his excellent combination of Strength, Speed and Range. There are several people in the worm verse who "could" beat thor given the right circumstances (Siberian, Flechette, Imp, any of the triumvirate) and while they all beat Thor in certain areas this doesn't mean Thor is weak or they are strong. Does that explain my point better?
 
"Colin. Before you think about fighting her, maybe consider talking to her? I didn't show you all this as a warning -- taken in aggregate, it clearly shows a person with noble intentions. You know the statistics on new triggers… almost all of them go out looking for a fight, which is why so many of them get killed so quickly. This woman didn't. I don't think you have much to worry about."

Just imagine what it would do to Halbeard's reputation as a hero for him to attack a newbie hero, lose hilariously, then be arrested and hauled to the local lockup for aggravated battery.

Hhmm, now this has me thinking since it could be a plot point later in the story, who else can lift Mjolnir?

Of the individuals in Brockton Bay, my guess would be three possibilities. Panacea, Miss Militia and Vista. Panacea might qualify, but she might need some psychotherapy first. Miss Militia might since she really, truly believes in her duty as a Hero. And Vista is a cheating cheater who cheats by lifting the space around the hammer rather than the hammer itself.
 
A machine can move Mjollnir.
"Elevator's not worthy".

Of the individuals in Brockton Bay, my guess would be three possibilities. Panacea, Miss Militia and Vista.
I dunno. It's worth bearing in mind that the criteria is, essentially, "are you worthy in Odin's eye?" Being a noble warrior-type seems fairly important.

e.g. I think Miss Militia is perhaps too much of a soldier. She's loyal to the Protectorate, and does questionable things when they order it. (See: S9 arc.)
 
Mir Mir's demonstrated (ridiculous) power set and probably more what Taylor will draw from, even though it can mimic or impart a lot of Thors innate abilities.

Moving (and hitting things) at above the speed of light, barriers capable of withstanding anything at all (including universe destroying attacks, and presumably why it can core planets and stars), energy manipulation and redirection, no-selling people with phasing and physics altering abilities and weather manipulation on a glabal scale capable of creating hurricanes, tsunamis, tornados, and massive lightning storms... and erupting volcanos. That's just cherry picking a couple of the combat related things Mir Mir can do.
 
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Nazi are German, Thor is Nordic.

Thor here is also a blonde-haired Valkyrie-like woman. Fenja and Menja are Valkyrie-themed more or less. Plus a lot of Nazi symbolism cribs from Nordic mythology.

In Norse myth Menja and Fenja were jotun sisters who worked a magical mill, and Allfather was a name of Odin.
The E88 most definitely borrows from Norse myth.

Alright, so while technically the term, "Thor" and related mythologies are Nordic- Thor is still a Germanic deity (the Norse are Germanic peoples!).

They're all derived from the Proto-Indo-European religion, so everybody is correct. It makes more sense for American Neo Nazis to use terms like Thor or Odin rather than the High Germanic Donner or Wotan which would likely be quite foreign to the average American and thus hard to market. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Donner or Wotan in Europe, just like how Dragon and Lung share the same name but in different languages.

Arguably, the hypothetical Indian cape named Indra is also Thor.
 
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So does this mean that Thorlor will have to cross dress as a man with -Lokies- Alec's help to get Mojler back from the -Giants- Endbringers?
 
If Taylor does have Marvel Comics Thor abilities all I will say is YIKES. 100+ ton lift capacity (Index of the Marvel Universe puts Thor at Class 100 Strength) puts her at Brute 9 EASY. Throw in Mjonir which is Striker 9 plus a blaster 9 subrating because she can throw the sucker PLUS Shaker at least 10 (Weather Control; I say 10 because Thor can call down REAL lightning).
It doesn't work that way.

You can't say she can list X mass that makes her Brute 9. Able to lift 100+ tons could be as low as Brute 4 depending on other details(not that I think that's the case here), Mjolnir doesn't give her a striker rating, not unless you can point to some exotic effect Taylor can apply to other people or objects but needs to touch them to apply it (and no "smashing to pulp" isn't an exotic effect that gets a striker rating).

I agree about the high level shaker and some blaster rating although unless I'm missing something I think Blaster is much too high as most of the effects will be folded into the shaker rating. Also producing real lightning isn't that impressive, if that was the extent of her weather control I wouldn't call it more than shaker 4-5 at most. She can produce comic book lightning, i.e control how much power it does, control exactly where it goes(even if that's right next to a lightning rod or needs to travel around three corners to reach it's target) plus very localized (or not if she wishes) winds enough to flip over vehicles, etc... so I agree her weather control could earn her a shaker 9 if she's not stupid about how she uses it, although so far she hasn't realized she can do it.

Blaster 5-8 Is an option, Thor's lightning while powerful, is not capable of destroying cities.
Thor doesn't have a striker rating, his/her hammer is brute.
Shaker 6-8 for the weather control. (Mainly cos it can be called down anytime, anywhere)
1)Weather control can definitely destroy cities.
2)Ability to destroy cities is not a requirement for any level of blaster or shaker.
3)I can see her getting either a very high shaker OR a very high blaster level depending on how she uses her powers once she figures it out, but not both.

Actually thinking about it she might get labeled a Brute/Mover/Shaker/Master with no blaster rating, given that the hammer can move on it's own and her lightning would be folded into the blaster rating.

Of the individuals in Brockton Bay, my guess would be three possibilities. Panacea, Miss Militia and Vista. Panacea might qualify, but she might need some psychotherapy first. Miss Militia might since she really, truly believes in her duty as a Hero. And Vista is a cheating cheater who cheats by lifting the space around the hammer rather than the hammer itself.
While this story seems to be using comic book "worthy" definition I can't help but wonder who would be worthy according to the Mythological Thor standards, Hookwolf and Grue both seem likely, as does Armsmaster and canon Skitter.
 
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Mjolnir in the myths can shatter mountains with one swing, so...

Also, I would argue that super durability does not equate to an equal ratio in super strength. Thor is powerful, but she's characteristically more durable due to Asgardian matter being denser- but does that equal more power? For that matter, why does Thor not sink into the Earth due to her density? So Thor has a shaker effect on her person I think.

Asgard also has higher gravity, so that's related to the density and would contribute to the disparity between humans and Aesir.
 
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For that matter, why does Thor not sink into the Earth due to her density? So Thor has a shaker effect on her person I think.
Normal ground pressure for a person walking barefoot/in flats is ~0.75lb/in^2, ground pressure for a stilteo heel is ~430 lb/in^2 (numbers from memory so might not be exact but give a sense of scale. Thor can be 100 times denser than a normal human and other than leaving slightly deeper footprints in the sand/mud when walking there no one will notice anything.
 
Mjolnir doesn't give her a striker rating, not unless you can point to some exotic effect Taylor can apply to other people or objects but needs to touch them to apply it

Well, there is the soul manipulation, and life drain thing she could do by sitting the hammer on someone. Otherwise... hmm, sharing power? Though I think that would be a shaker thing.
 
I dunno. It's worth bearing in mind that the criteria is, essentially, "are you worthy in Odin's eye?" Being a noble warrior-type seems fairly important.

e.g. I think Miss Militia is perhaps too much of a soldier. She's loyal to the Protectorate, and does questionable things when they order it. (See: S9 arc.)

While this story seems to be using comic book "worthy" definition I can't help but wonder who would be worthy according to the Mythological Thor standards, Hookwolf and Grue both seem likely, as does Armsmaster and canon Skitter.

Keep in mind that worthy in ODIN's eyes is different than, say, worthy in Balder's eyes or worthy in Loki's eyes. And one of Odin's myriad titles is (loosely translated) Doer of Necessary Evil. Odin is a King, not just a man (god) at his core. And a worthy King is a very different thing than a worthy warrior.

Hookwolf might well qualify, but only if the Red Skull would too -- Grue is too amoral, and Armsmaster puts his glory above his duty in canon, which would disqualify him on the values Hookwolf could qualify on.

But that assumes that purity of purpose equals worthiness, and if that were the case, Black Widow could likely wield the hammer, and the Winter Soldier likely could too.
 
Legend might be able to lift it. Alexandria, maybe but depends if her actions would be considered necessary or worthy. Eidolon would be disqualified. Contessa and Dr Mother would be a maybe, but I'd be leaning towards no.

Of course this depends if the hammer doesn't detect the shard and say no deal. Since Odin wouldn't let it be wielded by an entity or their tools.
 
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All I know is that I'm sick and tired of Taylor being a hero but still getting shit on in her civilian life. I see it a lot in Worm stories that don't have Taylor deal with her abusers in very real and permanent ways. It's almost psychotic. It's like there's this expectation that Taylor is going to get shit on when she is Taylor.

I'm honestly tired of seeing it and tired of seeing it wrapped up in the bs excuse of Taylor has to be the better person. You know what a better person does? Makes their lives better.

Taylor is a Cape now. She can't take some time when she's free and knows Emma and her family aren't home and use her Alexandria package to throw some boulders through Emma's house? Or Madison's house? Or Sophia's house. Make them feel some pain if Taylor is not going to give them physical pain. Make their lives unpleasant enough they have to focus on other things.
 
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I'm honestly tired of seeing it and tired of seeing it wrapped up in the bs excuse of Taylor has to be the better person. You know what a better person does? Makes their lives better..

I'd go further and argue I am tired of Taylor-centric fics in general, especially when there's no plot relevant reason for it to be Taylor. If we're dealing with a depressed girl who is bullied and estranged from her dad and the stories revolve around that, then Taylor is a good protagonist. If the story is NOT revolving around those themes, then there is no reason for the MC to be Taylor at all. Of course I myself fall into the rather terrible trap of using Taylor so often...
 
I think late hulk can lift Mjolnir, the one where Hulk and Banner are fused together rather than two entities in the same body.

Actually, Marvel's canon explanation was that the Hulk didn't lift the hammer, instead in a fit of rage lifted the whole space continuum around the hammer to the same effect. I know, bullshit explanation, but we are talking about comic books so what do we expect ?

Btw, in the comics continuity there has been also occasions on Thor's weather control played at least at continental scale. Comes to mind after The Reign and Ragnarok sagas, coming back to Earth and establishing Asgard on the middle of ¿ Wisconsin ?, having a "friendly" discussion with Tony Stark and summoning without effort an storm that covered all continental USA.

For my part, i'll be waiting for new updates. This fic is gold. Reeeeeally love this Odin. Hope to see more of him. Oh ! what about an interlude with the pov of other asgardians ? Heimdall or the Three Sisters would be good. After all Odin can be powerful and wise, but he's a bit naive if he didn't see how he was manipulated by Skuld towards this way...
 
Actually, Marvel's canon explanation was that the Hulk didn't lift the hammer, instead in a fit of rage lifted the whole space continuum around the hammer to the same effect. I know, bullshit explanation, but we are talking about comic books so what do we expect ?

Wait, they actually went with "He's not lifting the hammer UP, he's pushing the rest of the universe down"? That's amazing.
 
Oh I'm not saying Hulk WILL beat Thor. Frankly such a conflict could go either way and depends heavily on outside factors. Thor is one of the highest tiered comic heroes, but he isn't necessarily the strongest or the one with the most powerful distance attack, indeed what makes him so formidable is his excellent combination of Strength, Speed and Range. There are several people in the worm verse who "could" beat thor given the right circumstances (Siberian, Flechette, Imp, any of the triumvirate) and while they all beat Thor in certain areas this doesn't mean Thor is weak or they are strong. Does that explain my point better?

Of course. I was merely pointing out that those ratings seemed a little low.
 
Does the Ragnark Cycle exist in this AU?
When dealing with stories involving Asgard, unless Ragnarok is specifically mentioned as still happening, I always assume that it is a non-entity for the story, be it because somebody did something that averted or circumvented Ragnarok, Ragnarok is so far into the future as to be never, or Ragnarok already happened and A) it was underwhelming, B) we mere mortals never noticed, or C) we noticed, but it was written off as a particularly bad natural disaster, whereupon we went on with our lives.
 
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