Considering you've said you think eugenics just gets a bad rap I'm not even going to sugar coat things so that you think I'm polite.
Real question: would you consider the use of genetic engineering to correct the genes for inheritable diseases, or in vitro fertilization to decide in favour of the embryo that doesn't carry a specific gene for a disease, to be eugenics?
Because that's what I was thinking about. I'm not in any way, shape or form arguing for or thinking that it would be correct to put any kind of restriction on who has children with who, or even worse breeding people like animals, but I would be tentatively in favour of the use of these kinds of instruments once proven safe (though admittedly the genetic engineering ones are not ready for human use.
yet)
You've spent multiple pages regurgitating harmful prejudices, discriminatory attitudes, and disparaging people who form tight communities away from hearing people precisely because of people like you. In Deaf majority communities deaf people usually don't feel disabled at all. Their schools and towns and interactions don't have need for sounds. They naturally form sign languages even when discouraged and punished in oralist schools, which force deaf children to learn spoken languages and how to lip read (which doesn't work consistently at all but sure is interesting and ~convenient~ to the hearing). But that's better than why Deaf people have Deaf communities: the historical and not actually 100% gone tendancy for Hearing people to deprive them of any education, ever, attempting to destroy their supports and communities as part of a concentrated effort, and or throwing them into asylums.
I absolutely did NO SUCH THING. I'm calling a disability a disability, I'm saying that there's nothing wrong and everything right with deaf communities supporting each other and working for ways to reduce the effects of their disability on their lives. And I certainly never argued or even thought about removing education opportunities from them, destroying their support communities, or
throwing them into asylum.
I think it's a disability, because it's LITERALLY a lack of an ability. nothing more, nothing less.
Note: From a different perspective, Deaf people can be considered a cultural and linguistic minority group, who use a fully formed language—American Sign Language (ASL)—and are members of a distinct minority culture.
This, I'm not sure I fully agree with.
I mean, I can see it. there's definitely a culture about this condition, and sign languages to replace spoken languages. I'll admit I feel uncomfortable about defining them as cultural minorities, because I think like this is glorifying a condition that, no matter how much work is done to work around its negative consequences,
it's not something that should be thought as a positive.
Then again, on this I'm probably wrong, because the origin of a community doesn't really matter as much as the community itself existing.
Btw, did you know that 80-90% of Hearing parents of deaf children never bother to learn sign language, or to teach it to their children? Something that can permanently damage the child's ability to learn any form of language later on, and is a sure fit way to hamper their experience and outcome later in life? And refuse to introduce their children to local Deaf Communities, or even acknowledge that their kid is deaf? CIs are, after, a cure that deaf parents abuse their children by denying. And deafness needs to be cured. Even if CIs don't actually make deaf people become hearing, and often cause exhaustion or pain or simply don't make up for previous suffering of language deprivation. Sometimes they don't provide anything usable as hearing at all. Hearing parents still default to CI as a way to magically fix their kid.
Oh and 60% of those children whose parents refuse to acknowledge their deafness by learning and teaching sign language(pssst don't tell anyone that learning any form of sl is extremely beneficial to the human brain, the younger the better) end up incarcerated by age 21, but I'm sure that's just an example of the heavy burden that deaf and hard of hearing people put on the Hearing, the poor inconvenienced waifs who just want to eugenics(such a bad rep) and cure such obvious deficiencies.
parents depriving their children of the chance to find support and mentors from people experiencing similar problems is just wrong, as is discouraging from learning sign languages. You won't hear me say anything else about that.
in regards to CI and cures, I already stated my opinion: if there's a cure, and it works, and the side effects aren't too heavy, I think they should go for it. They have a right not to, and if the side-effects are too severe it might not be worth it. I'm not qualified to impose my opinion on anyone else, but I have a right to this opinion.
And if CIs don't work as well as I thought, or in those cases where they just don't work at all... well, my opinion is obviously invalid there.
Like my dude you don't have an actual opinion on this. You have a collection of bigotry you're pretending to be respectful about. It's as meaningful and you're as entitled to it as much as someone is about thinking that the moon landing is faked. But instead of googling you're just doubling down about your shitty onion that displays exactly why Deaf advocacy is necessary. Among a shit ton of other forms of advocacy. But what do I know. I've only spent the last year doing disability advocacy and education at work near daily for myself and my coworkers.
Why would people want a cure when the obsession with cures is demonstrably horrific, abusive, and damaging directly due to the people who want to fix us and how they can only conceive that in a selfish manner born from existing in a world built and made for them, where anything remotely like accessibility or difference is an unjust attack on their lives? I'd rather make a community where people like me are the majority and stay as I am. If we're skipping into hypothetical cures that will likely never exist, after talking about fucking House of all the TV shows, I'm pretty sure there'll be enough of us to go live on another planet because that's some startrek shit.
I have an opinion. It's not a fully informed opinion, but it's an opinion, and I don't see how what I'm saying shows me to be a bigot faking respect. If only fully informed people had a right to an opinion then most people wouldn't be allowed to have opinions about most things.
Respect isn't about believing other opinions being right or wrong. It's about recognizing that everyone has a right to their opinions, AND expressing it, as long as it's not explicitly harming someone else.
If people are offended because of an opinion I have, that's not really my problem, because there's always somewhere someone who'll find anything offensive.
and, as I said before, I think if a cure comes with too many side-effects or negative consequences, like you're telling me it does, then it's up to the individual whose life would be affected by it to decide if it's worth it or not.
And now that I wrote this, if you still think I'm a bigot faking respect and imposing my opinions over others... well, Think what you want. I don't really care anymore.
