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A Harry Potter Quest: He who was not

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I had suspicions that Jacob was a Homunculus after reading a post mentioning that Jacob could be an artificial human somewhere on this thread and Fullmetal Alchemist taught me all I needed to know about the Stone and what it takes to make a Homunculus which I think several people have suspicions about too so it wasn't a shocking reveal for me but more of a "I thought so" moment which is still satisfying in its own way.

Fehu said:
Perenelle Flamel's soul should do the trick in guiding Jacobs know-how.
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I don't think Perenelle's soul will join our Gestalt soul. We were made with the hundred souls from the island's inhabitants that were stored there when they die. There is no mention of us absorbing more souls after we are born so any soul that died after we are born is currently stored in the island. I think her soul is in storage at the moment or Nicholas opened the door to let the souls out.
 
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SuperSonicSound said:
I agree, but Jacob could grow to move on from feeling guilty the great person option feels like something that would lock the quest on an ultimately dark route that I feel wouldn't be enjoyable. Self loathing at least is something that can be overcome.
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Yeah I think you're right.

It would be an understandable reaction to blame yourself here, hating everything that went into your creation and therefore feeling you must be an evil thing. Especially if you're young.

It would definitely be an interesting progression of character development, as we try to overcome this.
 
Oh yah true, well we could use time echoes to learn Alchemy anyway aye? Or have I missunderstood them. 😅
 
[ ] She had done what was needed – While you couldn't find it in your heart to condone what she had done, deep in your heart you understood her motives. She had come from a different time with different beliefs and in the end had been guided by visions of something larger than herself. There was a sin in her actions, but in light of what had been in the end good, creating something that had not existed on this world before, how could it be evil?

I'm leaning towards this, I don't think that Jacob should carry her burden and I really like the Great option. What saves this optio for me is the part where Jacob can't condone her actions.

Huh, I wonder if Dumbledore knows and if he did, that might be why he took the Philosopher's Stone.
 
Like Ollivander would say great things happened, evil? yes, Great? Most definitely.

[ ] She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.
 
Him being homunculus wasn't unexpected, but the details certainly were.

Dumbledore is being kinda rude, so far everytime Jacob met him he used legitimancy on him.
 
I'll play devil's advocate for a bit so as to keep the discussion going and to provide some more thoughts that may need discussing, we don't know what it is like for those souls to be trapped in there. I doubt that Nicholas would build a pseudo hell for the souls since that would have served no purpose... I think... Five Night's at Freddy's and their haunted robots with souls of murdered children fueled by negative emotions like agony makes me hesitant on whether that has an noticable effect on a soul's power so I'll just move on.

Anyway who know how souls feel time, they might have been trapped for a century but it might not feel that way for the souls. Lying to the is an pretty dick move but we are talking about eternal rest. A hundred years is a small number when compared to eternity and we don't know which afterlife are we talking about here, is it heaven or reincarnation? If it is something like heaven then, them being a hundred years late is a minor inconvenience to eternity, if it is reincarnation that the souls would forget about their life anyway and they can live their new lives without too much of an issue that they should know of.

I propose if we live long enough and get really good at soul magic we may research how to split our soul back to the hundreds of individual souls that Perenelle used to make us so that we can get them back on the path to eternal rest.
 
What Perenelle did is one of the most vile things imaginable that I personally view as far worse than Horcrux creation. While Jacob isn't to be blamed for his creation it doesn't make the circumstances around his making any less evil. The only option that I'm willing to vote for is option 3 because I cannot bring myself to vote for an option that doesn't have Jacob realising how much of a monster Perenelle is.
 
It does bump up oculomancy on our too do list a bit, don't want anyone else rooting around in our surprisingly crowded head.

(Also, no wonder Jacob makes decisions by having a bunch of people coming to a majority agreement lol.)
 
Pempelune said:
So those are the only two acceptable answers. The first, is disregarding the means and looking only at the accomplishment, the second is saying that the end - Jacob's birth - was not worth the means - sacrificing hundreds of souls.
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Idk. It's not quite that simple or cut and dry.

The first option is Jacob attempting to Rationalize his creation. That will force his ego into this illusion or self-deception that he has to become great. This is bad as it's not true egoism as it's a childish attempt to defend his mind. Else, why does he exist when 200 years of other Wizards do not exist?

The second option looks like it's Idolization. Jacob now pretends this is a great irreproducible feat. Now, it is a great feat, but it's also a terrible exchange rate. 200 years worth of Wizard souls and they can only produce 1 frail child? Not even a possibility of producing multiple children? This also opens up Jacob's morals as he thinks actions like this are acceptable. At the end of the day, if something great happens then it's all worth it, no?

The third option is clearly Self-Loathing. Jacob recognizes he would not exist with all those soul remnants, but it's not like the Flamel family asked for permission or we're honest. Deep down, We all know people would have rejected the Flamels if people knew soul exchange was involved in the Elixir of Life. Worst, some might wholeheartedly agreed and supported their endeavors. What's a few criminals and societal outcasts to keep the Wizarding World's Leaders, the Best , and the Brightest alive? This also takes away any familial love Jacob could have as he has this information hanging over his psyche.
 
Upon reflection I'm gonna have to advocate for the monster option. Hopefully, with time and effort; Jacob will learn that he is not a monster by dint of how he came to be, and that none of this is his choice.

And I pick the third because the other two either ignore or accept as 'ok' the atrocity that was his creation. There's no good option, so I suggest we pick the bad one that we can mitigate most easily.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Well, that explains time echos and why we can skill up so fast as well. Presumably Time echos will call on the expertise of his gestalt soul built from the the hundreds of remnant souls that were stitched together.
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In that case, we should hoard our Time Echoes until the ultimate moment. As a way so that we can never fail on important task like getting into a DBZ level spell clash with a Dark Lord( doesn't have to be Voldemort but most likely the only one we would act against).
 
With what we know now, do you think making the ghostly goggles will adversely affects jacob even more now than before? Think he would see how the souls that were sacrificed for his existence died?
 
Well that got darker than I expected. I get some people wanting to make it sound good but lf the options given monster is the most non highly functional sociopath one. I know the whole kid shouldn't be help responsible thing people will say. But in the end this is something he has to accept as wrong.
 
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AT4467 said:
With what we know now, do you think making the ghostly goggles will adversely affects jacob even more now than before? Think he would see how the souls that were sacrificed for his existence died?
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Only if he looks at a enchanted or specialized mirror. Then again there's the slim possibility it doesn't effect him.
 
On a less serious note I feel much better about the quest mechanics now. The way the system described other wizards, with the scaling after 10 points and skills being chained to attributes makes a lot of sense. I could see how you can build different wizards in this system to fit what we saw in the movies and books (except cooler of course). I love your fight scenes by the way @Tabula Rasa :). But it was way to easy for us to improve, like Jacob could be a legendary wizard by 6-7 year pretty easily which didn't make much sense. But if Jacob interacts with the system differently because of the effects of being a homunculus... then things start to make sense.
 
I wonder if Harry could find out about us somehow.

Marauder's Map? Dumbledore explaining in response to Harry questioning due to that?
 
[] She had achieved what was great – She was a woman with deep intricate beliefs and someone who had strived to bring those beliefs of hers to life. Where others would have lingered in doubt and hesitated out of fear, she had simply walked on, taking all evil up on her soul to do what was needed in the end. Perenelle Flamel had been one of the few Greats walking the earth, taking the responsibility where her husband could not.

This is the most interesting one. The first one is also fine, but the third one is overdone to the point of being a cliche.
 
Do you think dumbledore is still mind reading Jacob for this answer? Gotta level up occlumency for future encounters
 
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