RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
- Location
- USA, Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her
As I understand it, they won't be able to do anything about it until she's out of the chrysalis.
A Green Sun Illuminates the Void (ZnT/Exalted)
- Thread starter EarthScorpion
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Pretty much. I doubt Elenor would be able to force her to return if she didn't want to, either, although there's a not-insignificant chance that she'd actually give in because that's what she's used to, and she wouldn't have had a chance to get used to being a superhuman death machine yet.
Also, it makes me very, very sad that there will probably be no mistscythe for Louise.
Also, it makes me very, very sad that there will probably be no mistscythe for Louise.
Delusionist
Seeker of Truth
- Location
- Land of the Fruits and Nuts
Keep in mind that while the freshly exalted are certainly powerful, they can't just steamroll over everything quite yet, particularly if they're alone. Louise is going to need some time to both get used to her new state, and develop more power before she can start dictating for herself what she wants to do without regard for other people's opinions.Screwball said:Pretty much. I doubt Elenor would be able to force her to return if she didn't want to, either, although there's a not-insignificant chance that she'd actually give in because that's what she's used to, and she wouldn't have had a chance to get used to being a superhuman death machine yet.
Also, it makes me very, very sad that there will probably be no mistscythe for Louise.
This is all true. However, I would back a Solar-level exalted, even a newly minted one, against a most things on an individual level, especially if said things aren't expecting her to be at all dangerous.Delusionist said:
I think that any concerns would disappear when she starts making things explode in a different way. I mean, even through it's not really 'proper' magic, it's still clearly magic of some sort, and she wasn't really capable of proper magic in the first place anyway, so far as they know. Nobody's thought that she might possibly be a void mage at this point anyway.Rask said:
Honestly, I think it's probably a bigger risk that they kick her out of the Academy because they think she's incompetent than because they think she's not really a mage, unless they decide to keep her around in order to find out just what the hell is going on with the whole freaky chrysalis thing.
Yeah, the Yozi 'prison' is their own word. I think it's technically within their power to return to Creation, in that there's not a magical or physical barrier preventing them, but they're required to keep their oaths.
On the other hand, magical methods of destroying oaths do exist in Exalted. I don't think Louise would actually start trying to recruit them and free the Yozis, though; for a start, she has no idea how to get to Creation in order to do so, and secondly, she has a First Age Solar stuck in her head as well, telling her it would be a bad idea. Without actually being taken to Malfeas and socialising with the other Infernals and the demons there, I'd suspect she wouldn't be on their side beyond her Urge.
On the other hand, magical methods of destroying oaths do exist in Exalted. I don't think Louise would actually start trying to recruit them and free the Yozis, though; for a start, she has no idea how to get to Creation in order to do so, and secondly, she has a First Age Solar stuck in her head as well, telling her it would be a bad idea. Without actually being taken to Malfeas and socialising with the other Infernals and the demons there, I'd suspect she wouldn't be on their side beyond her Urge.
Delusionist
Seeker of Truth
- Location
- Land of the Fruits and Nuts
Unfortunately, current Sidereal Martial Arts allow you to punch so hard you break the game. Obsidian Shards of Infinity, I'm looking at you.Stormseer88 said:
"The Ebon Dragon is not the mightiest Yozi, not the most brilliant. Neither is he the mos creative or cunning of the titans. However, no other Primordial approaches his skill at cheating. Among the Exalted, the Sidereals have come the closest to understanding his principle of antagonistic cheating and fashioned Obsidian Shards of Infinity Style in likeness of his unfairness..."Delusionist said:
Infernals, p155, text of "Black Mirror Shintai"
Happerry
Bat out of Hell
- Location
- Kanto
Pretty Please? I really want to see the look on people's faces the first time we get an anima flare in public....Stormseer88 said:
Delusionist
Seeker of Truth
- Location
- Land of the Fruits and Nuts
Obsidian Shards of Infinity beats Solars. The capstone charm basically allows you to say "I win" and reality warps to make it so. You could even kill the Unconquered Sun with it, and he's damn near invincible.Stormseer88 said:
Oh, and Chung didn't invent paranoia combat, he merely codified it. It was already endemic to the system.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
No, the problem is that Obsidian Shards of Infinity's capstone is literally 'I win, no matter how unlikely it is to do so, or what defenses the other guy can bring to bear. Here are the prices you must pay, select one of five, depending on how crushing you want your victory to be"
Yes, it's horrifically broken.
Yes, it's horrifically broken.
Yes. Which is one of the main reasons the PCs are needed to fix everything instead of the Unconquered Sun looking up after the Fae invasion and telling everyone how to fix things.Mastigo said:
Delusionist
Seeker of Truth
- Location
- Land of the Fruits and Nuts
Let me make myself clear: The capstone for OSoI works by bypassing combat entirely, and lets you choose the outcome. Perfect defenses are no defense. Basically on your first action tick, you invoke the charm, choose to have defeated the UCS, and the charm spits you out into a timeline in which you have just done so.Stormseer88 said:The unconquered sun is "invincible" because he has perfect defenses and a ridiculous motepool.
YOU CAN'T beat him unless he supppresses his virtues.
And considering how squishy sidereals are, their chances of actually defeating him, pinnacle charms or not are basically nil.
That will not go away.
And I still blame Jon Chung!
Yes. That's the entire crux of the Conquered Sun scenario in Return of the Scarlet Empress.Mastigo said:
There is still the issue of infiltrating the Jade Pleasure Dome, hitting the UCS before he notices you, and then getting out before the umpteen dozen other gods who will take umbrage to the violent interruption of their game crawl up your ass.
It isn't an easy assassination, but it is bold, daring, and quite doable.
Of course, the scenario assumes that Infernals will carry out the assassination, not Sidereals.
Winged Knight
Still just a crazy man with a wolf on his head
- Location
- Texas
Personally, I think the Games of Divinity should be destroyed. You know, keep this crap from ever happening again. Any chance that could be a campaign?
It lets you choose between five possible outcomes. It doesn't let you choose an impossible outcome. If you're going to get you ass kicked no matter what, you'll just choose between five different ways that your ass was kicked.Delusionist said:
It's also a Shaping effect, meaning that it gets shut down by Dream-Slaying Defense and similar Charms. Abyssals will slaughter you if you rely on it.
Sure. It is sufficiently epic. Accomplishing the task would likely require slaying dozens of gods who are necessary for Creations' continued functioning. And even if accomplished non-violently, it would leave a big mess to clean up. But Exalted is all about powerful people doing ill-advised things.Winged Knight said:
It won't change much in the long run, though. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Could have rather unpleasent concequences though. Creation is, after all, the machine that exists to maintain and run the Games of Divinity. Maybe the work that's harnessed into running the games could simpely be harmlessly wasted, but maybe not.Winged Knight said:
Delusionist
Seeker of Truth
- Location
- Land of the Fruits and Nuts
I thought it was just an island the Primordials built to keep out the Fair Folk. What book does it say that in?TheLastOne said:
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Either The Manual of Exalted Power: The Infernals or Compass of Celestial Directions: Malfeas. I can never remember which.
They discribe Creation as a parlor room to keep and provide the power to run the Games.
They discribe Creation as a parlor room to keep and provide the power to run the Games.
Delusionist
Seeker of Truth
- Location
- Land of the Fruits and Nuts
In that case, destroying the games should have as much effect on Creation as destroying a light bulb has on the power plant that provided it's electricity.TheLastOne said:
No, the best way to fix things is to change reality so that the games are no longer addictive. Or just change reality so that a threat to Creation gets hit by Solar circle attack spells.
Happerry
Bat out of Hell
- Location
- Kanto
Ok. Define 'threat to Creation" in a way everyone can agree upon. If you can't get the rest of the Exalted to agree on a definition, I'm sure the Primordials would be interested in contributing....Robotninja said:
The chapter is being worked on. But have a snippet.
See all this monstrosity the voice says to her, proud and mighty, a king among gods and more than that. See! Watch! See all that was put wrong. See that the gods are in Our heaven and all is wrong with Creation! See the depravities inflicted on Us! We are like you, we have been wronged, and wronged mightily! You will free Us! You will obey, and you will make the world as it shall be!
The unseen presence of brass and fire feels safe to Louise, feels... like her mother, strong and something to admire. Something that she should try to be like, and above that, something that she can be like.
We have given you power. We have given you instructions. You will make Creation as it should be, and We can have Our revenge, and you can have yours.
So go. Go in Our name. Go, and be Our Left Hand and take up Our Blade and don Our Crown.
And free Us!
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See all this monstrosity the voice says to her, proud and mighty, a king among gods and more than that. See! Watch! See all that was put wrong. See that the gods are in Our heaven and all is wrong with Creation! See the depravities inflicted on Us! We are like you, we have been wronged, and wronged mightily! You will free Us! You will obey, and you will make the world as it shall be!
The unseen presence of brass and fire feels safe to Louise, feels... like her mother, strong and something to admire. Something that she should try to be like, and above that, something that she can be like.
We have given you power. We have given you instructions. You will make Creation as it should be, and We can have Our revenge, and you can have yours.
So go. Go in Our name. Go, and be Our Left Hand and take up Our Blade and don Our Crown.
And free Us!
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Defined as whoever made the Miracle Shell defines it as. Sure there is a chance that they could use it to become an unstoppable tyrant, but what could possibly go wrong?Happerry said:
Luckily, Malfeas doesn't have any published Charms which allow you to see the capital letters when he speaks. Hence, ambiguity, because Tristian has a basically medieval Catholic theology, except that Brimir almost approximates as more of a Mohammed-with-magical-powers in the theology, and so "Creation" can just apply to "All that is created".Alratan said:
It helps a lot that Malfeas is basically Yahweh, if the Romans had had Ghost-Eating Technique. Luckily they didn't, so his fetich soul only had to regenerate, rather than suffering fetich death like the Empheryl Chaos did, after Ruvelia was ritually Ghost-Eaten. So He's within her pre-existing theological context (after all, Malfeas is a deconstruction of Divine Command Theory), as would Cecylcne be. In contrast to, say, Adorjan or the Ebon Dragon.
She's a lot more open to a command-giving divine tyrant or a law-giving desert goddess as things which might actually be God speaking to her, than she would be to... um, the Silent!Murder!Joker!Buddha, or He Who Twirls His Serpentine Moustache.
Note: my Malfeas does not believe in ALLCAPSLOCKS! ALL THE TIME!.
That's Isidoros' shtick.