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Ventress does actually know how to create Korriban Zombies, which are horrifying in their own right.
So she does know at least some Sith techiques.
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Ventress does actually know how to create Korriban Zombies, which are horrifying in their own right.
So she does know at least some Sith techiques.
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I thought that was the Nightsister version. Plus, summoning zombies isn't great for showing how you aren't edgy anymore.
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Think the comic she did it in was from pre-Nightsister retcon. It was during the Battle of Ohma-D'un, where she raised up a bunch of zombie Gungans to throw at Obi-Wan.
Edit: Ohma-D'un was also the first time she fought Obi-Wan.
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Ah. Understood.
You say that like zombie Gungans aren't absolutely the most horrifying thing I've heard from this franchise since Rise of Skywalker. Side note, why did the Separatists care about gassing Naboo's moon when Naboo itself was in spitting distance, relatively speaking?
Huh. With an opening act like that, it's no wonder she left such an impression on him. I appreciate and acknowledge your points, and thank you for sharing your knowledge. On the other hand, I probably won't have Ventress playing necromancer very often.
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Want to know one of Ventress' best feats of telekinesis? She is the only person in Star Wars I know to have Force-choked Anakin Skywalker. Yes, Mr No More Windpipe himself. And Obi-Wan at the same time.
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...Gunray was holding a grudge? Durge was bored?
More seriously, I think it was supposed to be a testbed for the poison gas (designed by Jenna Zan Arbor) they used against the Gungans. So basically the Blue Shadow Virus episode taken to its horrifying conclusion.
Myself, Bias, and Hyvelic are currently working on a joint post that will probably help set a lot of tone for the Empire when it's done; in the process, I came up with an idea that I really like but I'm presenting here for consideration before even including it as an idea IC because of two major factors:
1) I don't know for certain whether it is an idea that can feasibly be accomplished IC;
2) If it were an idea that were to go forward, it could only be done if the Alliance and Jedi Order players were OK with the idea going forward and willing to cooperate on making it happen.
The idea, in short, is that the Empire launches a simultaneous attack against both Dantooine and Alsakan. If it were an idea that players were OK working with and moving forward on, the general goal of the outcome would be akin to a far less lopsided Battle of Hoth.
In Character, the Empire's goal would be to cut the head off both the Alliance and the Jedi with a single swift stroke. Conquer Alsakan, keep Alliance leadership from escaping, and basically cripple the upstart government before it can really get its act together (Coruscant putting Alsakan back in its place again would be a nifty bonus). For Dantooine, the aim would be to just hit hard, hit fast, and only stick around long enough to wipe them out ("...all of them.")
While the aim would be for the Empire to technically win, it obviously wouldn't go nearly so smoothly for the Empire. Empire would conquer Alsakan, but most Alliance leadership would escape. Dantooine would fall, the Jedi would be forced off Dantooine, but still on the whole the order is still alive and kicking. And on top of it all, while the Empire would win, the Alliance and the Jedi would bloody the Empire's nose in the process.
In the grand scheme of things, though, it would still be more a win for the Empire than a loss. It would "Send a Message", and narratively establish the strength of the Empire and their general 'unity' around a single Emperor versus an Alliance that isn't as unified as they'd like to be beyond "We all hate the Empire".
As an OOC benefit, it would also help clear the board a little of some major NPC characters to create room for major Player Characters to rise to prominence. While there's still be a lot of NPCs surviving, such a battle could see some major Alliance NPCs - and possibly some NPC Jedi - be captured or killed, giving Player Characters more room to have leading roles.
Likewise, on the Imperial side, part of the Alliance and the Jedi 'bloodying the Empire's nose' could include certain Imperial military leaders being present but not surviving the battle, creating more justification for what few Imperial Player Character military leaders we have to take a more commanding role.
Of course, again, all this is contingent on two things. First, the big one, are the game's Alliance and Jedi players being OK with such a plan moving forward and a willingness to cooperate on such a major event.
Second is if the Empire would have the strength to actually pull it off. As I understand it, the Empire is supposed to have strongest military position, but I don't know if it's a strong enough position for such an idea to be feasible. However, I think that another major factor that might play into the Empire's benefit at this comparatively early stage is the cracks in the Alliance, how according to the way the game is set up they have a lot of friction going on that the Empire might be able to exploit - as much as the Alliance wants to fight the Empire, they're unfortunately fighting each other so much that they can't get a proper military response together.
And that, ultimately, is the REALLY BIG IDEA I've got that I'm running by everyone, to see how people would feel about going forward with it and if it would be genuinely feasible to pull off.
1) I don't know for certain whether it is an idea that can feasibly be accomplished IC;
2) If it were an idea that were to go forward, it could only be done if the Alliance and Jedi Order players were OK with the idea going forward and willing to cooperate on making it happen.
The idea, in short, is that the Empire launches a simultaneous attack against both Dantooine and Alsakan. If it were an idea that players were OK working with and moving forward on, the general goal of the outcome would be akin to a far less lopsided Battle of Hoth.
In Character, the Empire's goal would be to cut the head off both the Alliance and the Jedi with a single swift stroke. Conquer Alsakan, keep Alliance leadership from escaping, and basically cripple the upstart government before it can really get its act together (Coruscant putting Alsakan back in its place again would be a nifty bonus). For Dantooine, the aim would be to just hit hard, hit fast, and only stick around long enough to wipe them out ("...all of them.")
While the aim would be for the Empire to technically win, it obviously wouldn't go nearly so smoothly for the Empire. Empire would conquer Alsakan, but most Alliance leadership would escape. Dantooine would fall, the Jedi would be forced off Dantooine, but still on the whole the order is still alive and kicking. And on top of it all, while the Empire would win, the Alliance and the Jedi would bloody the Empire's nose in the process.
In the grand scheme of things, though, it would still be more a win for the Empire than a loss. It would "Send a Message", and narratively establish the strength of the Empire and their general 'unity' around a single Emperor versus an Alliance that isn't as unified as they'd like to be beyond "We all hate the Empire".
As an OOC benefit, it would also help clear the board a little of some major NPC characters to create room for major Player Characters to rise to prominence. While there's still be a lot of NPCs surviving, such a battle could see some major Alliance NPCs - and possibly some NPC Jedi - be captured or killed, giving Player Characters more room to have leading roles.
Likewise, on the Imperial side, part of the Alliance and the Jedi 'bloodying the Empire's nose' could include certain Imperial military leaders being present but not surviving the battle, creating more justification for what few Imperial Player Character military leaders we have to take a more commanding role.
Of course, again, all this is contingent on two things. First, the big one, are the game's Alliance and Jedi players being OK with such a plan moving forward and a willingness to cooperate on such a major event.
Second is if the Empire would have the strength to actually pull it off. As I understand it, the Empire is supposed to have strongest military position, but I don't know if it's a strong enough position for such an idea to be feasible. However, I think that another major factor that might play into the Empire's benefit at this comparatively early stage is the cracks in the Alliance, how according to the way the game is set up they have a lot of friction going on that the Empire might be able to exploit - as much as the Alliance wants to fight the Empire, they're unfortunately fighting each other so much that they can't get a proper military response together.
And that, ultimately, is the REALLY BIG IDEA I've got that I'm running by everyone, to see how people would feel about going forward with it and if it would be genuinely feasible to pull off.
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I'm personally okay with this as the Yularen player. I think this could be a great time for everyone if done right is the reason I am okay.
As Nute Gunray I'm staying out mostly because it doesn't affect me/I do think it could be an interesting ideaplus it buys me more time to get a nute IC out lmfao
As Nute Gunray I'm staying out mostly because it doesn't affect me/I do think it could be an interesting idea
CV12Hornet
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And here I have my character traveling to Alsakan.
Obviously, this is more up to the Alliance players than me, but I'm 100% down to get involved. I'm already picturing Gathe screening the Alliance evacuation force.
Obviously, this is more up to the Alliance players than me, but I'm 100% down to get involved. I'm already picturing Gathe screening the Alliance evacuation force.
Skywalker_T-65
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Speaking entirely personally as the GM and not a player:
We do have ideas for what to do with Alsakan and Dantooine. Insofar as from our own enjoyment of somewhat deeper lore we really really like the idea of, if the galaxy is split, Alsakan becoming the center of one of the governments. And for Dantooine, as a KOTOR fan, we really like the idea of the Jedi Order rebuilding there for good as the NJO would have done with Yavin, were it not for theedgy 90s cliche Vong intervening.
BUT
This is just our personal thing. As established, we're trying to be more of a steward than someone forcing storylines to go in certain directions. If the Alliance and Jedi players are happy with it, then go for it. We're not going to force anything.
If we were personally doing things, to continue the Hoth metaphor...well. Hoth was the central Alliance base, but it wasn't the only Alliance base. It was a symbolic victory for the Empire, but it ultimately only strengthened the Alliance because of Luke going to Dagobah and the Alliance moving back to being mobile for some time.
A similar attack...hmm. Well.
The Jedi are going to be uber paranoid. Finding out they're on Dantooine isn't impossible, but there are more open targets. Cularin or the Altisians on Bespin (those who aren't on their ship) or even something like Belsavis. These targets could have much the same effect, with the added bonus of prompting the splintered order to come together a bit like the Alliance did after Hoth. It could be fun for the Jedi players to work out how that shifts things along in the inter-order conflicts.
(of course, similarly, you could see the Order regrouping on Ossus or something, but we like Dantooine
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As for Alsakan, it's probably the most heavily defended planet the Alliance has, by virtue of having one of the few Mandator's floating around (this is relevant with one of the Alliance players, but hasn't been brought up in here yet). It isn't impossible to take, but the Empire would have to commit a lot of force to do it. And...hmph. Much as we like Alsakan being the center of the competing government, that would be something of a less important victory, less than an actually crippling one? As we've established, Alsakan is picked because it doesn't have any real impact on Alliance leadership squabbles.
Hitting, say, Chandrilla or Alderaan? That would do a number on Alliance leadership. You would have one of the big players (Mon Mothma or Bail) potentially on planet. And if they aren't on planet, you'd be neutering them and the inevitable sharks would come out. It would fracture the leadership even more as things go chaotic as players (not players, but you get what we mean) jockey for advantage. It would also be a symbolic victory and make the other core worlds (even Alsakan) nervous in their own right. Plus they're not as strongly defended so it would be less of a risk on strong (but not invincible) Imperial resources.
Corellia is already a 'we kinda want our own thing' partner for example and...well...
Again, though, this is just us spitballing things. Ultimately, we won't say one way or another, unless it becomes necessary to break something up. If the Alliance and Jedi players want to run this, that's all fine.
We do have ideas for what to do with Alsakan and Dantooine. Insofar as from our own enjoyment of somewhat deeper lore we really really like the idea of, if the galaxy is split, Alsakan becoming the center of one of the governments. And for Dantooine, as a KOTOR fan, we really like the idea of the Jedi Order rebuilding there for good as the NJO would have done with Yavin, were it not for the
BUT
This is just our personal thing. As established, we're trying to be more of a steward than someone forcing storylines to go in certain directions. If the Alliance and Jedi players are happy with it, then go for it. We're not going to force anything.
If we were personally doing things, to continue the Hoth metaphor...well. Hoth was the central Alliance base, but it wasn't the only Alliance base. It was a symbolic victory for the Empire, but it ultimately only strengthened the Alliance because of Luke going to Dagobah and the Alliance moving back to being mobile for some time.
A similar attack...hmm. Well.
The Jedi are going to be uber paranoid. Finding out they're on Dantooine isn't impossible, but there are more open targets. Cularin or the Altisians on Bespin (those who aren't on their ship) or even something like Belsavis. These targets could have much the same effect, with the added bonus of prompting the splintered order to come together a bit like the Alliance did after Hoth. It could be fun for the Jedi players to work out how that shifts things along in the inter-order conflicts.
(of course, similarly, you could see the Order regrouping on Ossus or something, but we like Dantooine
)As for Alsakan, it's probably the most heavily defended planet the Alliance has, by virtue of having one of the few Mandator's floating around (this is relevant with one of the Alliance players, but hasn't been brought up in here yet). It isn't impossible to take, but the Empire would have to commit a lot of force to do it. And...hmph. Much as we like Alsakan being the center of the competing government, that would be something of a less important victory, less than an actually crippling one? As we've established, Alsakan is picked because it doesn't have any real impact on Alliance leadership squabbles.
Hitting, say, Chandrilla or Alderaan? That would do a number on Alliance leadership. You would have one of the big players (Mon Mothma or Bail) potentially on planet. And if they aren't on planet, you'd be neutering them and the inevitable sharks would come out. It would fracture the leadership even more as things go chaotic as players (not players, but you get what we mean) jockey for advantage. It would also be a symbolic victory and make the other core worlds (even Alsakan) nervous in their own right. Plus they're not as strongly defended so it would be less of a risk on strong (but not invincible) Imperial resources.
Corellia is already a 'we kinda want our own thing' partner for example and...well...
Again, though, this is just us spitballing things. Ultimately, we won't say one way or another, unless it becomes necessary to break something up. If the Alliance and Jedi players want to run this, that's all fine.
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Based on the opening post, in particular Isard mentioning intelligence about the Jedi gathering, I suppose the reasoning I came to (perhaps mistakenly) is that the Empire already had an idea that they were on Dantooine.
Alsakan being picked because is doesn't have 'any real impact' on Alliance leadership is, in a way, part of what makes it hit hard for the Alliance if it's taken. Alsakan is the natural neutral party. If Alsakan falls, then suddenly that natural neutral party goes away and then the Alliance leadership suddenly has to make hard choices and play major politics to avoid all the problems that they were trying to avoid by picking Alsakan in the first place.
Alsakan is Alliance capital, in effect, to play mediating peacemaker. In loosing Alsakan, the mediating peacemaker is out of the picture.
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Isard thinks he knows where the Jedi are gathering, but we were leaving it a bit in the open if he was correct or not.
In that regard, so that the Imperial and Jedi players could work out if he was.
And yeah, that's a logical thing with Alsakan.
But, again, we're not going to try and force things in any direction. It ultimately comes down to what the players want,
In that regard, so that the Imperial and Jedi players could work out if he was.
And yeah, that's a logical thing with Alsakan.
But, again, we're not going to try and force things in any direction. It ultimately comes down to what the players want,
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This sentence makes me imagine Gunray and Padme forced to shake hands in a hypothetical Enemy Mine against the Empire, which would be a hilarious moment.
And then Gunray says to Ventress: "I want you to assassinate her the minute we're done here."
Ventress: "And set Skywalker after the both of us? Bad things happen when Skywalker gets personal, as Dooku would tell you if he still had a head."
Meanwhile, the Empire be like "We need to assign some agents to make sure Gunray and Padme both stay alive so Gunray makes it impossible for the Separatists and Alliance to work together."
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UbeOne
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I'm not sure whether, as a player, I'd support or oppose having an Imperial strike on Alsakan and Dantooine this early.
Feels like they'd have to go through obstacles such as other opposing worlds and bases before being able to mount an attack on either vital target.
I also feel it's a huge gamble to stake their not-quite-organized navy on such decisive battles this soon. Would their flag officers be that gung-ho on it?
Feels like they'd have to go through obstacles such as other opposing worlds and bases before being able to mount an attack on either vital target.
I also feel it's a huge gamble to stake their not-quite-organized navy on such decisive battles this soon. Would their flag officers be that gung-ho on it?
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Potential refinement of the idea: what if it were scaled back to just being a conquest of Alsakan? Go with the original intent where the Empire is looking for the Jedi base, but don't know where it is?
Given that the Jedi is half-crippled due to being Order 66'd, by and large the same goal and outcome could still be achieved, with perhaps a shifted additional goal from the Empire that by launching a full attack on Alsakan, perhaps they can draw out the Alliance's Jedi allies and score some major kills on that front to hurt the Jedi further.
Adding on to the angle for helping make the idea as a potentially viable IC idea, there could be a bit of a buildup to it that includes the Empire drawing the Alliance's forces out in the belief that the Empire is trying to strike at various places, which has the fractured elements of the Alliance each jockeying for control of Alliance military resources to defend their own respective threatened regions. Which of course they think they can afford to get away with in one part due to "I need my people defended!" and one part "The Empire wouldn't be nearly dumb/crazy/bold enough to attack Alsakan directly".
So Dantooine remains untouched for now, while the same general effect and outcome is achieved through Alsakan.
Though as a side note, I do have to wonder/question the long-term viability of leaving Dantooine as a genuinely permanent location that is never threatened, at least so long as the Empire remains a viable threat. They are going to be looking for the Jedi, I don't think Dantooine is nearly as out there and obscure a location as Yavin IV, and even in canon a far weaker and fractured Empire attacked Yavin IV to try to kill off a far weaker Jedi Order.
With the Empire possessing it's current strength, if the Empire's continued efforts to find the Jedi eventually bear fruit then I can easily imagine them eventually taking a crack as wiping out a far more dangerous threat, even if they are on the whole a fraction of what they previously were.
Long term, depending on how things go, Dantooine being a safe location that the Jedi can stick with may not be a thing that can hold up indefinitely.
Given that the Jedi is half-crippled due to being Order 66'd, by and large the same goal and outcome could still be achieved, with perhaps a shifted additional goal from the Empire that by launching a full attack on Alsakan, perhaps they can draw out the Alliance's Jedi allies and score some major kills on that front to hurt the Jedi further.
Adding on to the angle for helping make the idea as a potentially viable IC idea, there could be a bit of a buildup to it that includes the Empire drawing the Alliance's forces out in the belief that the Empire is trying to strike at various places, which has the fractured elements of the Alliance each jockeying for control of Alliance military resources to defend their own respective threatened regions. Which of course they think they can afford to get away with in one part due to "I need my people defended!" and one part "The Empire wouldn't be nearly dumb/crazy/bold enough to attack Alsakan directly".
So Dantooine remains untouched for now, while the same general effect and outcome is achieved through Alsakan.
Though as a side note, I do have to wonder/question the long-term viability of leaving Dantooine as a genuinely permanent location that is never threatened, at least so long as the Empire remains a viable threat. They are going to be looking for the Jedi, I don't think Dantooine is nearly as out there and obscure a location as Yavin IV, and even in canon a far weaker and fractured Empire attacked Yavin IV to try to kill off a far weaker Jedi Order.
With the Empire possessing it's current strength, if the Empire's continued efforts to find the Jedi eventually bear fruit then I can easily imagine them eventually taking a crack as wiping out a far more dangerous threat, even if they are on the whole a fraction of what they previously were.
Long term, depending on how things go, Dantooine being a safe location that the Jedi can stick with may not be a thing that can hold up indefinitely.
CV12Hornet
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I think I'd wait for the actual Alliance players to chime in before throwing out more ideas.
Speaking of which, kinda surprised none of them have replied yet.
Speaking of which, kinda surprised none of them have replied yet.
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...A thought occurs. If the Empire sufficient decimates the Alsakan royal family, Lucian is actually in line for the throne, assuming that the whole "Jedi aren't allowed to hold political positions" isn't in effect anymore.
Not that he would be all that enthused about it.
Not that he would be all that enthused about it.
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I guess he DOES have a stake in current events after all, even if he's not anywhere near his home planet.
I'm fine with it, though admittedly Ahsoka is probably no where close at the moment.
Also having a bit of trouble getting my first post out, not really sure where to place her at the moment. Could maybe have her still trapped on Mandalore perhaps, or just some other planet. Just can't really pick a good place from the top of my head.
Also having a bit of trouble getting my first post out, not really sure where to place her at the moment. Could maybe have her still trapped on Mandalore perhaps, or just some other planet. Just can't really pick a good place from the top of my head.
Skywalker_T-65
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All we'll say is that Dantooine was sufficiently isolated that it worked as the pre-Yavin rebel base and all indications are that it would continue as such had Leia not used it as bait.
It's really, really isolated. The total population is probably in the thousands. Not quite the same level as Yavin, mind, but using the under levels of the Enclave as a central base while the majority of the Order scatters a bit?
Yeah.
(Speaking from an authorial perspective, we'd like Dantooine to be the new Jedi homeworld…eventually. Assuming the game doesn't end with them wiped out.
But, unless Jedi players say otherwise, it's also entirely likely that it serves as just a central respite for the foreseeable future. You'd likely see the Order spread out and not centralized so long as the Empire is still hunting them.)
This is, again, something to be worked about between the imperial and Jedi players. We don't want what we're spitballing to at all be seen as 'this is how it is'.
Honestly, the best case would most likely be Dantooine prepared as a new home while the Jedi mostly don't actually use it. Cularin and Corellia probably remain the 'big nexus' places while the rest of the Jedi scatter about.
It's really, really isolated. The total population is probably in the thousands. Not quite the same level as Yavin, mind, but using the under levels of the Enclave as a central base while the majority of the Order scatters a bit?
Yeah.
(Speaking from an authorial perspective, we'd like Dantooine to be the new Jedi homeworld…eventually. Assuming the game doesn't end with them wiped out.
But, unless Jedi players say otherwise, it's also entirely likely that it serves as just a central respite for the foreseeable future. You'd likely see the Order spread out and not centralized so long as the Empire is still hunting them.)
This is, again, something to be worked about between the imperial and Jedi players. We don't want what we're spitballing to at all be seen as 'this is how it is'.
Honestly, the best case would most likely be Dantooine prepared as a new home while the Jedi mostly don't actually use it. Cularin and Corellia probably remain the 'big nexus' places while the rest of the Jedi scatter about.
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Vozen
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Perhaps I should post my first Barriss update, and that might spark something? I have not written it out yet, but I have a clear vision for it.
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Oh, that was very nice, Nox. Barriss' introspection reminded me of something Loki said in Marvel's War of the Realms. It sidelined him pretty quick, but he said something that I think resonates with Barriss here.
It went something like, "I am not a Frost Giant. I am not an Asgardian. I am a Loki, nothing more and nothing less."
Vozen
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Barriss is in an odd place mentality right now. She still sees the message that drove her to bomb the temple needed to be said, but she has some feelings of regret on how she tried to spread that message and feels she took it too far. By how much is still being weighed in her head.
Being a Jedi was her entire life and she never even considered being something else, and now she both can't be one and isn't sure she would even want to be if she could. But she also doesn't want to dress in skimpy black leather outfits and go full darside either. The only thing she knows for sure right now is she won't be caught, because she would rather die than get shoved into a cell again.
Yea, Barriss may be a badass ex-Jedi prodigy, but she's also a 16 year old girl who grew up with heavy expectations on her head, developed a ridged black and white worldview that was not healthy, fought in a war for years, experienced (REDACTED: future plotline), and had a mental breakdown when she caught a hint of Jedi being warped by this war without realizing she had been warped by it too. Then she spent months in jail waiting execution while stewing in guilt and doubts about her path when she should have been sent to get psychological help instead.
Girl needs a hug.
Being a Jedi was her entire life and she never even considered being something else, and now she both can't be one and isn't sure she would even want to be if she could. But she also doesn't want to dress in skimpy black leather outfits and go full darside either. The only thing she knows for sure right now is she won't be caught, because she would rather die than get shoved into a cell again.
Yea, Barriss may be a badass ex-Jedi prodigy, but she's also a 16 year old girl who grew up with heavy expectations on her head, developed a ridged black and white worldview that was not healthy, fought in a war for years, experienced (REDACTED: future plotline), and had a mental breakdown when she caught a hint of Jedi being warped by this war without realizing she had been warped by it too. Then she spent months in jail waiting execution while stewing in guilt and doubts about her path when she should have been sent to get psychological help instead.
Girl needs a hug.