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i think that with how often we have been reminded about the Rachni being quiet and something being up, we may benefit more by sending a reconnaissance probe than a distress signal, besides, even if the council receives our message, what good will it do.
sure they will know we are here, but they may not have the free fleets and manpower to help us, they might be in retreat or barely holding the line.
i think a much better idea is to take Hades Gamma which gives us a border with the council and besieges and blocks off 3 Rachni systems, the Voyager Cluster, Artemis Tau and Gemini Sigma.
if we manage to take Hades Gamma we will have a direct border and thus, direct communication with the council, and we will starve three systems that we can take and expand into at a later date.
in other words, the distress signal seems to me to be too much of a gamble to benefit us.
 
As for the veto thing, since it's only a draft I don't see any harm letting them write one up. Plus I'd rather let the new congress feel like they actually have power for a bit before they realize that they almost have none.

As for the buoy option I feel like we should update our maps and I kinda also want to use the Reconnaissance Pulse to find out where exactly the enemy ships are because the fact that they're leaving us alone is really starting to worry me. I also feel that seeing just how much shit we're in will let us more easily decide if we should send out that distress beacon or not.
 
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[ ][TIMING] Pass. Virmire First.

While this does have cons if the Council finds out, this is just a draft, and they shouldn't be able to find out until we're able to establish more reliable lines of communication. By that point, we'll hopefully have pushed the Ranchi back far enough that the threat of losing Council support won't be too bad. And I doubt that the Council would waste time trying to bring us back into the fold by force if we prove to be useful to the war effort. If we show that yes, we can hurt the Ranchi, then I don't think they'll care too much. At least not until they don't have to worry about space bugs overrunning the galaxy.

And realistically, something like this would take years to plan out, getting a start now while we don't have the Council looking over our shoulder would probably be for the best.

[ ][BUOYS] General Distress Call: Before you do anything else, you need to inform the rest of the galaxy that you're still here and fighting, and that you're ready to be a part of the united front if you can reestablish contact. It won't be a long conversation, but it will tell them that you're still in there. Devote more than one buoy to increase the amount of time you have on the line. Make contact with everybody with a connecting comm buoy to Rachni space and send out the distress call -- Virmire is still in the fight and needs support. Specifically requested by Marae.

We need this.

Even if we've been doing fine so far, that's only because the Ranchi haven't decided to bring one of their big fleets around to crush us yet, we need the support of a major power. If the Council knows that we're alive they might be able to push through Hades Gamma and link up. Even if they can't do anything immediately, the fact that they'll know we're alive and can fight will change their strategy. (Hopefully).

[ ][BUOYS] Update the Maps: You can't count on a brief call to give you all the information you'll need to direct your breakout efforts. Ping the Rachni comms network for a detailed update on what exactly their held space is presently. Updates galaxy map to accurately reflect the present state of Rachni-held relays.

While this information is important to long-term goals, we should be more worried about our immediate surrounding clusters. Unless something drastic has happened to change the balance of the Council vs Rachni struggle that will force us to change long-term goals (which is certainly possible) I don't see this giving any immediate benefits to our situation.

[ ][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse: If you're ready for a strike, this could be a great way to find out where that strike should land. Even if you don't hold onto whatever you take, the chance to burn a Rachni fleet and devastate a relay system's logistical infrastructure is not to be passed over. Gain accurate counts of the Rachni ships in neighboring clusters, and possibly beyond, if you devote more than one. Expires near-instantly. Specifically requested by K'Sharr.

If we're going to start raiding we need to know where we are going to attack first. Even if we don't attack next turn (which I don't think we will since our fleets are still understrength) knowing what clusters have what infrastructure will help us determine where to attack. Plus, if the Ranchi our building up to attack us in one of these clusters, it would probably be better to know sooner rather than later.

So, I would put two buoys to Distress signal to get out more info, and one to recon the surrounding clusters for any immediate threats/targets.

That would use all of our buoys, but I think the benefits outweigh the costs.
 
The war isn't going to be over as soon as the council rescues us. It is going to continue for many more years. Our choice right now is whether we want to coordinate with the council in the future or if we want to continue operating independently.

At this point in time, I'd vastly prefer close relations with the council while we fight off the Rachni. They are much less likely to be alarmed by a "friendly" power that is growing strong at a fast pace than they are one that has declared itself to be in opposition to them.

I'd prefer to be a wealthy and powerful subordinate to the council rather than a harried "rogue" nation.

If the council later turns tyrannical, we can use our carefully accrued wealth and power to become indpendent. If they turn out to be worthy of our our loyalty, we have lost nothing.

What is it that we hope to gain?
 
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Given that the council abandoned Virmire I can't say I'm surprised that literally the first vote the assembly takes is an independence vote. I suspect the public support for it is a lot higher than 74%. This is something we have to sign off on as to put it bluntly 'don't give orders you know won't be obeyed', Virmire is PISSED and this strikes me as something that could get us kicked out of office if badly handled.

That said framing it as a statement of intent rather than an ironclad agreement is probably for the best. If nothing else you can (in character) argue that we have no idea if there is anyone to declare independence from.

As a question for the GM will this quest continue after the Rachni war? If so we should probably think about long term plans for the assembly e.g. as an equal branch. Emergency powers are great and all but sooner or later the emergency ends (or we do) and people start asking awkward questions.
 
Well that's fair, leaning on approving the bill to maintain our approval rating now. Need a firm hand to guide the state as it was falling apart without Mira. Helps that she is near immortal compared to other species. :V
 
Guys... Our entire government is built on independence from the Citadel. Our first contact package says we're not Citadel affiliated. Our people feel abandoned, betrayed, and even if the Citadel sends a huge bloody fleet to reinforce us it won't change the way Vermire feels... Much.

Anyway, this is the power of veto rights; we can never say "we couldn't stop it!"
 
We can't back out from a Declaration of Independence after the fact, we'd have shifted legitimacy away from the Citadel Council to the local Virmirean establishment. Trying to play good subordinate to the Council afterwards would be treason.
 
[][TIMING] Pass. Virmire First.
[ ][BUOYS] One of each

Definitely feeling like one of each is the correct way to go. All of them are valuable and useful.
 
I'm going to have to come back to this, both for a review and a vote.
But yeah, this is one occasion we're going to have to pump the brakes, hard.Something being popular doesn't mean it's wise.
Mira(or rather, Marae) would be more diplomatic, I hope:V

We're in a war.

There are significant parts of the society, as demonstrated by our own Asari chief of staff, who retain some attachment to the Citadel.
Starting this legislative thing by taking a dump in their collective faces risks splitting our effort in the face of a common enemy. Not a wise move when you're fighting an existential threat that literally wants to burn you out of existence, and need every hand on deck.

Furthermore, we just have insufficient data on how the international political landscape is likely to develop.
Whether we might need Citadel backing to keep certain other polities *cough*Hegemony*cough*Terminus nations* from attempting to strongarm us.
We are going to probably declare formal independence at some point, but we already have de facto independence anyway. No rush.

There are no take-backsies if we vote now and later conditions make significant percentages of people grumble.
Because people chose to vote for an Absolute veto over the legislature, the ultimate responsibility rests with us, as does any blowback in the event of shit going bad. To paraphrase a proverb: Divorce in haste, repent at leisure.

Ergo, my current thinking is:

[ ][TIMING] Veto, you belligerent idiots.
[ ][BUOYS] General Distress Call:
[ ][BUOYS] Update the Maps:
[ ][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse:
 
In other words, if we pass it, the Declaration "goes live" and is considered law/reality, without further input from us?
Yup. This is them saying, "We the legislative body of Virmire would like to declare independence and are seeking approval for the creation of the legal document to effect that."
Given that the council abandoned Virmire I can't say I'm surprised that literally the first vote the assembly takes is an independence vote. I suspect the public support for it is a lot higher than 74%. This is something we have to sign off on as to put it bluntly 'don't give orders you know won't be obeyed', Virmire is PISSED and this strikes me as something that could get us kicked out of office if badly handled.

That said framing it as a statement of intent rather than an ironclad agreement is probably for the best. If nothing else you can (in character) argue that we have no idea if there is anyone to declare independence from.

As a question for the GM will this quest continue after the Rachni war? If so we should probably think about long term plans for the assembly e.g. as an equal branch. Emergency powers are great and all but sooner or later the emergency ends (or we do) and people start asking awkward questions.
Check your victory conditions, fool! ;) ("The Particulars"==>"End Game")
 
[ ][TIMING] Pass. Virmire First.
[ ][BUOYS] General Distress Call
[ ][BUOYS] Update the Maps
[ ][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse

Independence is a must. The fact is its a DRAFT. While it might have an effect, it won't be immediate AND the Citadel Council might not even take it seriously. Yes, risk of alienating (wow using it for aliens, cool) Council exists, but it won't play a big role IN A GENOCIDE WAR!!!

And I want to use all 3 probes, on all 3 actions: • general position of borders, • specific locations near us, • simple SOS is enough to attract attention

so yeah, simple and direct. (93 still worries me *whimper*)
 
I can see a potential side benefit to sending the distress signal. The Council systems have been fighting this war for decades with the Rachni steadily gaining ground on all fronts. The knowledge that an isolated colony world everyone has to have assumed was overrun years ago is not only still alive but has even begun a limited counteroffensive against the seemingly unstoppable Rachni march would provide a major morale boost to the war fatigue and dread that has to have accumulated by now.
 
Given that the council abandoned Virmire I can't say I'm surprised that literally the first vote the assembly takes is an independence vote. I suspect the public support for it is a lot higher than 74%. This is something we have to sign off on as to put it bluntly 'don't give orders you know won't be obeyed', Virmire is PISSED and this strikes me as something that could get us kicked out of office if badly handled.
Majority of Asari grew up under Citadel rule. Ditto Volus, judging from our Minister of Intel who is in her second century.
And the old people there are some of the most influential economically.
I suspect you may overestimate the longterm popularity of precipitate action, especially if it looks like an independence bill was rushed through.

Well that's fair, leaning on approving the bill to maintain our approval rating now. Need a firm hand to guide the state as it was falling apart without Mira. Helps that she is near immortal compared to other species. :V
Our current approval rating is north of 95%.
It may not stay that way in the long run, but popularity is not a consideration at the moment.

Independence is a must. The fact is its a DRAFT. While it might have an effect, it won't be immediate AND the Citadel Council might not even take it seriously. Yes, risk of alienating (wow using it for aliens, cool) Council exists, but it won't play a big role IN A GENOCIDE WAR!!!
In case you didn't see it:
Folks, the declaration issue would not be crossing your desk if the resulting draft (and second draft, etc., and final draft) was not going to be binding.
I don't want to devote more resources to monitoring the population for dissenters, or to have to start planning for how much in external debt we have to worry about with the Citadel. Or if we need to worry about some Terminus polity deciding our independence makes us an easy target.

Not at the moment.
AND the Citadel Council might not even take it seriously.
And when they DO take it seriously? This is not something you can go haha just kidding.

Yes, risk of alienating (wow using it for aliens, cool) Council exists, but it won't play a big role IN A GENOCIDE WAR!!!
You have undue faith in the rationality of sapients.
Do you see the Lystheni rushing military forces to help us defend Attican Beta against the Rachni? As opposed to doing their best to pull land and tech grabs while we're expending lives and treasure?
 
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Virmirean Assembly's First Bill
Omake - Virmire Assemblies First Bill

"Today the newly minted Assembly has drafted and sent a draft declaring independence from the Citadel Counil. Debate over if now is the time to officially break from the Citadel Council while the opposition considers that now is not the time to declare independence."

Congressional Urgen stated "We are in a historic point in time. Virmire is transitioning from a wartime economy and wartime culture to that of a peaceful civilized economy and culture of reason. Alas, I must attest my disgust that the Citadel Council did not send assistance in our time of need. It is a miracle that the right woman came to the position of Prime Minister with the right staff to do the right things at just the right time. I cannot see the Council do much even after the war but tax us for protections and place burdensome regulations for there own gain. Thus, I call on my fellow Confessionals to support the draft and that Prime Minister sign it into law."

"BREAKING NEWS!"

"It seems Congressional Elten Un'Dor has given a speech at a local park on his position "...What people don't understand is that we have been disconnected from the bigger picture. I just don't see the rationale of independence and butting heads with an ally we are supposed to have against the Rachni. Where will we be if the council decides to do something about this? I am not comfortable with the possibility of a war with the Council for breaking off or settlements due to the Councils early investments to Virmire. As such I am voting against and ask the Prime Minister to not sign this bill to law for the sake of Virmire's next generation of Sentiments."

"An there you have it. Later We'll be discussing recent colonization efforts and if water helps Asari look nicer."

END

@PoptartProdigy
 
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[ ][TIMING] Pass. Virmire First.
[ ][BUOYS] General Distress Call
[ ][BUOYS] Update the Maps
[ ][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse
in for a penny and all that.
 
Population continues to be absolutely fucking thrilled with the general fact of your existence.
I rather wish we had delayed this. As poptart said, we need to save popularity boosts for after we have lost popularity, otherwise it does nothing.
Oof.

Of course the assembly would try to declare independence from the council the turn that we get the chance to send a distress signal out.

And of course the lysenthi have a secret fleet that they have been hoarding while we have fought and bled against the rachni, that they will likely spring on us while we are busy because they are assholes and likely feel less pressured by the rachni.

Well, at least nothing failed.

Yes, but at the moment we need all the help we can get. We do not want to act like the Lystheni.
The thing is, we are so early in the war that the council is getting absolutely hammered. They haven't even brought up the Krogan yet or even found them. We have some 250 years left of the war, according to canon timelines.

We won't get help. We aren't worth it. They are already losing colonies our size or larger that aren't even behind enemy lines. Us calling for help is like saving the lone drowning guy when there is a whole sinking ship of people to save.

Declaring independence simply does not matter to the council at this juncture, and by the time it does we will have contributed enough to the war to actually maintain that independence. We also can't afford to veto the first vote. It establishes a bad precedent. That's probably why they sent us this vote.

More importantly, if we don't send a distress signal (which I think we should not send it) it doesn't matter to the outside world if we declare independence.

[ ][TIMING] Pass. Virmire First.

We can't afford to not pass this. It's the first vote of a new government. If we don't pass it we look like the tyrant rather than the benevolent dictator. More importantly, if we don't call the council, it doesn't really matter.

[ ][BUOYS] General Distress Call: Before you do anything else, you need to inform the rest of the galaxy that you're still here and fighting, and that you're ready to be a part of the united front if you can reestablish contact. It won't be a long conversation, but it will tell them that you're still in there. Devote more than one buoy to increase the amount of time you have on the line. Make contact with everybody with a connecting comm buoy to Rachni space and send out the distress call -- Virmire is still in the fight, and needs support. Specifically requested by Marae.


Ok, so we really don't need to do this. I explained why above, but suffice it to say, the council can't help us. They are losing this war harder than we are, and are losing colonies our size or larger on their front. We are behind enemy lines, and frankly not worth the expenditure for them to help. They would have to clear multiple clusters to even get to us and then hold those clusters.

[ ][BUOYS] Update the Maps: You can't count on a brief call to give you all the information you'll need to direct your breakout efforts. Ping the Rachni comms network for a detailed update on what exactly their held space is presently. Updates galaxy map to accurately reflect the present state of Rachni-held relays.

We need the state of the war to even consider any other options. This is crucial.

2x [ ][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse: If you're ready for a strike, this could be a great way to find out where that strike should land. Even if you don't hold onto whatever you take, the chance to burn a Rachni fleet and devastate a relay system's logistical infrastructure is not to be passed over. Gain accurate counts of the Rachni ships in neighboring clusters, and possibly beyond, if you devote more than one.Expires near-instantly. Specifically requested by K'Sharr.

This is equally necessary as we are just about ready to send out raiding parties. We need to know where they are and if we are in danger of getting hit.
 
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[ ][TIMING] Pass. Virmire First.
[ ][BUOYS] General Distress Call
[ ][BUOYS] Update the Maps
[ ][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse
 
Gonna vote for either:
[ ][TIMING] Veto, you belligerent idiots.
[ ][BUOYS] General Distress Call
[ ][BUOYS] Update the Maps
[ ][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse

Or...

[ ][TIMING] Pass. Virmire First.
[ ][BUOYS] Update the Maps
[ ][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse
[ ][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse x2
 
Would it be possible for the declaration of Independence to have some sort of clause that's for rejoining the Citadel as a member state? I'd be fine approving the bill if it was a declaration that we would no longer be considered a colony of the Citadel, but I wouldn't want it to straight up cut our ties with them.

...this is gonna have so much bad information. Hopefully Poptart tries to shut down any campaigning with bad info.
 
Is the moratorium over? If it is then my vote would now be:

[X][TIMING] Pass. Virmire First.
[X][BUOYS] Update the Maps
[X][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse
[X][BUOYS] Reconnaissance Pulse x2
 
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