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[X] Go get food, it's more important. You'll just wear the emblem over your old clothes.
[X][Shop] Plan: Spend all your cash
-[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
-[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
-[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
-[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
-[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
-[X] (5) Cooking (basic)
-[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
-[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
-[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
 
[X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.

[X][Shop] Plan:
-[X] (5) Sword Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sword into something
-[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
-[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
-[X] (5) Magical Healing Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magical healing works
-[X] (5) Scientific Healing Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how the body reacts to non magical healing
-[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
-[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
-[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
-[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
 
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[X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.

[X][shop] Plan: General Improvement
-[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
-[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
-[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
-[X] (5) Beastly Lore (basic) - The knowledge of beasts and their monstrous equivalent
-[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
-[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
-[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
-[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of

dunno why, but the spear just seems the most right to me
 
kinigget said:
[X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.

[X][shop] Plan: General Improvement
-[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
-[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
-[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
-[X] (5) Beastly Lore (basic) - The knowledge of beasts and their monstrous equivalent
-[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
-[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
-[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
-[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of

dunno why, but the spear just seems the most right to me
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Kini why?!??
Adhoc vote count started by Lone Courier 6 on Dec 18, 2017 at 3:16 PM, finished with 29 posts and 20 votes.
  • [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][shop] Plan: General Improvement
    -[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Beastly Lore (basic) - The knowledge of beasts and their monstrous equivalent
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][Shop] Plan: Spend all your cash
    -[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) Cooking (basic)
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X] Clean yourself up so you can fully enjoy your actually-not-taken-on-a-corpse clothes!
    [X][shop] Plan Basic Knight
    -[X] (5) Sword Mastery (novice)
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice)
    -[X] (5) Etiquette (basic noble)
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic)
    -[X] (5) Beastly Lore (basic)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Emoulin)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Amessa)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Endercross)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Frozen Forest)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Svartfald)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Maath)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Nivion)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Rinagi)
    -[X] (5) Cooking (basic)
    -[X] (5) Hunting (basic)
    [X] Clean yourself up so you can fully enjoy your actually-not-taken-on-a-corpse clothes!
    [X] Plan Shopping For The Basics
    -[X] (5) Two Handed Sword Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a big sword into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X] Clean yourself up so you can fully enjoy your actually-not-taken-on-a-corpse clothes!
    [X][shop] Plan Basic Knight
    [X] You definitely don't want to talk about it
    [X] It'll be harder now, but maybe try to get to the bodies from the test
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X] Plan Shopping For The Basics
    -[X] (5) Two Handed Sword Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a big sword into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X] Go get food, it's more important. You'll just wear the emblem over your old clothes.
    [X][Shop] Plan: Spend all your cash
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][Shop] Plan JAG
    -[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Emoulin)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Amessa)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Endercross)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Frozen Forest)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Maath)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Nivion)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Rinagi)
    -[X] (5) Hunting (basic)
    -[X](5) Fishing (basic)
    [X] Clean yourself up so you can fully enjoy your actually-not-taken-on-a-corpse clothes!
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][Shop] Plan:
    -[X] (5) Sword Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sword into something
    -[X] (5) Magical Healing Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magical healing works
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Rinagi)
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X] Go get food, it's more important. You'll just wear the emblem over your old clothes.
    [X][Shop] Plan: Spend all your cash
    -[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) Cooking (basic)
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][Shop] Plan:
    -[X] (5) Sword Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sword into something
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Magical Healing Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magical healing works
    -[X] (5) Scientific Healing Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how the body reacts to non magical healing
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
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Adhoc vote count started by Lone Courier 6 on Dec 18, 2017 at 10:48 PM, finished with 36 posts and 24 votes.
  • [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][shop] Plan: General Improvement
    -[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Beastly Lore (basic) - The knowledge of beasts and their monstrous equivalent
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    [X] Clean yourself up so you can fully enjoy your actually-not-taken-on-a-corpse clothes!
    [X][shop] Plan Basic Knight
    -[X] (5) Sword Mastery (novice)
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice)
    -[X] (5) Etiquette (basic noble)
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic)
    -[X] (5) Beastly Lore (basic)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Emoulin)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Amessa)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Endercross)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Frozen Forest)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Svartfald)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Maath)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Nivion)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Rinagi)
    -[X] (5) Cooking (basic)
    -[X] (5) Hunting (basic)
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][Shop] Plan: Spend all your cash
    -[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) Cooking (basic)
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X] Clean yourself up so you can fully enjoy your actually-not-taken-on-a-corpse clothes!
    [X] Plan Shopping For The Basics
    -[X] (5) Two Handed Sword Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a big sword into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X] Clean yourself up so you can fully enjoy your actually-not-taken-on-a-corpse clothes!
    [X][shop] Plan Basic Knight
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][shop] Plan: General Improvement
    [X] You definitely don't want to talk about it
    [X] It'll be harder now, but maybe try to get to the bodies from the test
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X] Plan Shopping For The Basics
    -[X] (5) Two Handed Sword Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a big sword into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X] Go get food, it's more important. You'll just wear the emblem over your old clothes.
    [X][Shop] Plan: Spend all your cash
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][Shop] Plan JAG
    -[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Emoulin)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Amessa)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Endercross)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Frozen Forest)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Maath)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Nivion)
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Rinagi)
    -[X] (5) Hunting (basic)
    -[X](5) Fishing (basic)
    [X] Clean yourself up so you can fully enjoy your actually-not-taken-on-a-corpse clothes!
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][Shop] Plan:
    -[X] (5) Sword Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sword into something
    -[X] (5) Magical Healing Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magical healing works
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Rinagi)
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X] Go get food, it's more important. You'll just wear the emblem over your old clothes.
    [X][Shop] Plan: Spend all your cash
    -[X] (5) Spear Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sharp stick into something
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (5) Literacy (basic) - How to read and decipher unknown writing
    -[X] (5) Cooking (basic)
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
    [X][Shop] Plan:
    -[X] (5) Sword Mastery (novice) - The ability to put a sword into something
    -[X] (5) Stealth (novice) - The ability to not be seen
    -[X] (5) Medicine (novice) - The ability to care for the wounded
    -[X] (5) Magical Healing Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magical healing works
    -[X] (5) Scientific Healing Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how the body reacts to non magical healing
    -[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic) - The knowledge of how magic works
    -[X] (15) Improved Endurance (slight) - Echoes toughen your body above what it should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Strength (slight) - Echoes improve your strength above what your body should be capable of
    -[X] (15) Improved Agility (slight) - Echoes improve your agility above what your body should be capable of
    [X][shop] Plan Basic Knight
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Renu said:
This wasn't a perfect solution, as it was impossible to store an infinite amount of bodies, though. As she thought about that, Lirra turned to face the gate again, and saw the yet untouched grass of the hills that descended until the fence. How long would this ground stay untouched?
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Right, so I'm going to vote for us to Pyre bodies from the graveyard whenever it's reasonable, and not even primarily for power, but because the laws of narrative convention basically guarantee that the Academy will be attacked at some point in the Quest. And if the forces of Darkness have any brains, then they'll break these Wards for easy access to an army of undead heroes. I want to mitigate this as much as possible.

[X] You can totally do both if you hurry a bit.
[X][shop] Plan: General Improvement

Don't train on an empty stomach, but also get rid of the worst of the filth so we don't make people suspicious about our morning activity.

The great thing about having Melkorka as a teammate (no guarantee we'll have the same teammates in training, but hey) is that we'll have access to any weapon type, so we can safely pick any of them. But the spear served us pretty well in the test, it keeps its iron far from our skin, and it might be close enough to our shovel for some skill overlap. And while general knowledge is all fine and dandy, it won't do much to keep us from embarrassing ourselves in our first day of training compared to basic stats.

Spend all your cash looks good, but I think that knowledge about beasts and monsters will be more immediately relevant to us as a Sword than basic magic theory (not even magic ability, just theory). And while Cooking is all well and good, we're probably not going to need to do any while in the Academy, and I'd rather save the echoes for buying up all the general knowledge later.
 
@Renu
I think it'd be helpful if you could clear up the iron weakness, some people seem to be reasoning that the spear would be best because there's little chance of contact with the metal bit. That seems kind of silly to me since it's usually a specific type of cold-iron that harms fae and I doubt we'd have trouble getting a weapon that doesn't burn us when we touch the metal bits even if it was fairly common. Would also be cool to know if we have to treat most weapons as if they would burn us on touch.
 
[X] Clean yourself up so you can fully enjoy your actually-not-taken-on-a-corpse clothes!

[X][shop] Plan Basic Knight
-[X] (5) Sword Mastery (novice)
-[X] (5) Medicine (novice)
-[X] (5) Etiquette (basic noble)
-[X] (5) Magical Theory (basic)
-[X] (5) Beastly Lore (basic)
-[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Emoulin)
-[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Amessa)
-[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Endercross)
-[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Frozen Forest)
-[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Svartfald)
-[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Maath)
-[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Nivion)
-[X] (5) General Knowledge (basic Rinagi)
-[X] (5) Cooking (basic)
-[X] (5) Hunting (basic)

I agree with Madokami in a suit Hannz
 
I'm finally caught up. But I'll wait for the next update to vote for something.
 
well we currently have a tie between plan Basic Knight and plan General Improvement

someone's gonna need to break that
 
[X][shop] Plan: General Improvement

It's close enough to my plan so I might as well switch.
 
Why a spear?

We picked the Knight route, chivalry and all, so why pick a peasant's weapon over the status symbol that is the sword? I recognize the usefulness of reach and all, but thematically, it doesn't fit our chosen gate.
 
Brainwasher said:
@Renu
I think it'd be helpful if you could clear up the iron weakness, some people seem to be reasoning that the spear would be best because there's little chance of contact with the metal bit. That seems kind of silly to me since it's usually a specific type of cold-iron that harms fae and I doubt we'd have trouble getting a weapon that doesn't burn us when we touch the metal bits even if it was fairly common. Would also be cool to know if we have to treat most weapons as if they would burn us on touch.
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Nope, all iron and to a lesser degree iron derived alloys such as steel. Remember that the cemetery's gate burnt you.

Horseshoe were nailed to doors to ward off Fae and you can imagine the common people didn't have money to spare for special metals so it was just a plain regular one. Same with scissors in cribs to prevent changelings.

Then again gloves are a thing and are recommended even if you're human.
 
Hannz said:
Why a spear?

We picked the Knight route, chivalry and all, so why pick a peasant's weapon over the status symbol that is the sword? I recognize the usefulness of reach and all, but thematically, it doesn't fit our chosen gate.
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I think most people don't care much about the weapon, and others are picking it becuase of our shovel. It's vaguely spear like, we already used it in battle, and it worked. The usual arguments of reach and the concerns about touching the iron also play into it.

I agree however. While a spear isn't completely unknightly, a sword fits the image so much better. Plus this quest seems to run more on mechanics then realism, so a spears reach doesn't play into it much. We should really go for a sword.
 
I don't like swords. I do like spears. Saying it's thematic is a bit strange since spears are used by warriors as well. We're also about the furthest thing from a noble so choosing because it's a status symbol is just weird.


Is my opinion.
Edit: Chivalry doesn't care about what weapon you use, only the reason you're using it for.
 
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Spears are kings of war and battle. They and bows were guns before guns became a thing. The most easy and effective weapon to utilize. Minimum of fancy shit, just stab away! Everyone can do that.
Also, we need to remember to upgrade intelligence sometime later. In a contest where everything else is even, smartest fighter wins every time. Especially with something as versatile as a spear.
 
Ugh but Spears are boring.... Can you name one special spear off the top of your head? Now name a special sword.
 
also have you seen Seirei no Moribito?

spear fighting is awesome

also: Excalibur, Caliburn, Durandal, Caladbolg

thassit
 
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