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Blood of the Frontier (CK2) Completed.
- Thread starter Magoose
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- United States
This might have been answered already, but when we say winged hussars, are we talking about the heavily-armored hussars of the 16th century, or the light cavalry of prior centuries?
- Location
- a
7-7 tie wtf
This is intense
- Location
- italy bologna
- Canadian Patriot, rezkiuz, Satoshixkasumi
- [x]Alexandra Konstantina
Number of voters: 2
Nevill, Icefyre - [X]Alva Bijorndottier: A women of 16, fifth-born daughter of Grand Prince Bijorn 'The Redsail' Af Muso. She is one of the oddest marriage requests that came to your attention. A well-known captain and trader in the Baltic sea, she is one of the few women who went to the Imperial Naval Academy in London and is considered one of the best sailors in the empire. But her skill with ships is also backed by a strong sense of finance. Though she is not nearly as rich as the Medici, marrying her will bring over 50 ships under your command.
Number of voters: 1
RideTheWalrus - [X]Princess Matilda Sorry about that
Number of voters: 1
Lucy - [X]Alva Bijorndottier
Number of voters: 1
Shaseyu
we got a tie! any of you guys wonna cange your votes?
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Uh...
I think there might be a bit of a misreading going on. Even if both father and son are emperor, there is only the one 'Imperial Majesty'. And we both know how much medieval china was into the elder male being obeyed.
We don't know any of that being sure. While what you describe is a possibility, there is the alternatives. Such as: After going through both the greeks, muslims, India, and the Mongols, we may just get told to fuck off.
Like I said, it takes guts and principles. If you care more about you choosing your candidate than your candidate winning, then that's your opinion, and that's perfectly fine. I don't get offended over opinions, and one really shouldn't.
Adapted 16th century heavy cavalry.
- Location
- il bel paese dove il sì sona
- Pronouns
- He
About gunpowder... It won't be an instawin card, as it will be rudimentary for at least a century and rudimentary rockets, petards and the rare handcannon didn't help much the Chinese Kingdoms against Gengis Khan.
It is also just as likely that she would bring silk, jade and porcelain, so nothing more than a short term prestige and monetary bonus plus an extremely nebulous alliance: coordinating offensives against the mongols through the whole span of Eurasia seems less useful than having Poland literally ride at our side.
It is also just as likely that she would bring silk, jade and porcelain, so nothing more than a short term prestige and monetary bonus plus an extremely nebulous alliance: coordinating offensives against the mongols through the whole span of Eurasia seems less useful than having Poland literally ride at our side.
Silver W. King
King of Adventures
- Location
- The Nasuverse
[X]Zima Królowa
Altharis
Tovarisch Volksdeutsch, Professional Crucifier
- Location
- Poland
Of course it isn't, but if EU IV has taught me anything, it is the fact that every mil tech advantage is useful
It's a long term investment though, true that.
Our alliance with Poland isn't as guaranteed either. Although it is based of a game, it doesn't mean they'll go running to help us just because we married queen's niece, it depends mostly on said queen's character (arbitrary, cruel etc.) and if they have shit dice resulting in internal problems. Or Empire as a whole. On the other hand, both we and China have a mutual enemy so they're more likely to... maybe not exactly help us, but at least attack Mongols from one side while we do the same from the other.
- Location
- Ural, Russia, Earth
Fun fact: Zima is the only one of our potential brides whose age we don't know.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Think about how likley poland is to help Germany, Germany with putting down its eastern subjects getting rebellious. By contrast, The poles were part of the barrier of Eastern Europe IRL, and ITT would have been one of the first major military powers to face the Mongols once they go through us.
Unless they want Mongols raiding on their lands after killing two thousand of their best warriors, they'll back us up.
Trust me: She's legal.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Sorry about the double-post, but this is something some folks have forgotten. I certainly did:
We ally with China, we are turning against the Empire. The Mongols may be part of their plan.
Altharis
Tovarisch Volksdeutsch, Professional Crucifier
- Location
- Poland
...that made me think, how do they know she's fertile?
Unless that's just to show a CK trait and doesn't actually have any deeper meaning. I would rather not deal with any potential children our wife's already got.
And why wouldn't they help? We don't really know their attitude to Germany and we can't really base it on RL. Hell, Poland actually had good relations with HRE for some time, as brief as it was (Bolesław Chrobry and Otto III).
As to why they wouldn't help us, possible overconfidence similar to that of the Emperor. As I said, it mostly depends on the Queen's character and how she would act—which we know nothing about—or internal problems. Tbf tho the latter might also happen to China, the dice can be as cruel as they are merciful.
Is that generally known information or something for players to help deciding where to play?
We don't have to help them against Europe tho, we'll only help ourselves against Mongols. And if they really want to become the sole Empire of Eurasia they've still got to conquer India and it's much closer than going to Europe through the steppes. Not to mention much more valuable.
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Luminous
God Save The Queen
- Location
- Victoria, BC, Canada
That is another factor, distance. Rus and China are so far away from each other that an alliance is possible to be completely pointless. The Silk Road runs through Greece, not Russia. There's no sea route that we could actually use, and marching across Siberia is likely to kill most armies even without considering the Mongols.
Fuck it.
[X]Zima Królowa
Fuck it.
[X]Zima Królowa
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
IRL: Two word. Teutonic Knights.
IC: We know Germany hogs the controlling number of votes in the assembly for themselves.
That was just an OOC comment and me connecting it to the current situation. We've kinda been meta-gaming this whole conversation, so I figured it was OK to bring up.
Altharis
Tovarisch Volksdeutsch, Professional Crucifier
- Location
- Poland
Good to see my reading comprehension fails again
While I can understand IC reason, why do you bring Teutons into this discussion? It's an AU with HRE spanning an entirety of Europe. Weirder shit happened in AUs than Poland liking Germany.
As for the OOC comment, I just wanted to know if we would become a target for European assassins (that sounds fucking wrong) the moment we decide to marry Ai Song. Seems that's not the case if I understood correctly this time.
Magoose
SV's Questing Fanatic
- Location
- California USA
- Pronouns
- He
You won't be targeted by the european empires assassins. Now our nobles wanting to kill us for marrying a foreign bride, maybe, mostly because she's from the east, and our lords really don't like people from the east, because Mongols. And China has its fair share of enemy's as well who would love to kill a member of the Chinese imperial family so that might be a problem.
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
1. We've been bringing tons of historical shit into the discussions on the past 18 pages that could just as well be butterflied away by 'AU, wierd shit happens'.
2. There obviously had to have been some conquest going on to bring Eastern Europe into the fold.
3. We've already got newer stuff being brought back into the time period.
4. We already know that the Empire's subject kingdoms are chafing at the bit.
5. Given two through four, I made a bit of educated guesswork.
Altharis
Tovarisch Volksdeutsch, Professional Crucifier
- Location
- Poland
Once again @Magoose, do we have Crimea or any other access to Black Sea? I'd hazard a guess yes, otherwise the trade deal with Egypt wouldn't make that much sense.
True, and I still think bringing IRL reasons is stupid, especially when we know almost nothing about AU.
Not necessarily, it could have been dynastic conquests rather than a military ones, or diplomatic (vassalage). While I don't doubt there was at least some military conquests, we don't know who was conquered.
I don't see any reason why you would use this as an argument other than 'it's an AU, history doesn't mean shit here'.
No idea who those are either. It might turn out we have decided to marry the niece of the most rebellious or the most loyal vassal. Could be both.
Magoose
SV's Questing Fanatic
- Location
- California USA
- Pronouns
- He
We do, its a vassel of ours.
- Location
- United States
Considered these two:
But decided not too.
[X]Princess Ai Song: A girl of 16, daughter of His Imperial Majesty Zi Song, Emperor of China, twin sister of Emperor Ling Song. There is not much known about her as you don't have any contacts within China. But from what you know from rumor, she is a very kind and gentle woman. More suited for diplomacy than the intrigues of court. You do not know what the Emperor is offering like the others, but it might be substantial... Or nothing at all.
[]Zima Królowa: The niece of the current queen of Poland, and has family ties, father's side according to Natasha, to German Imperial nobility. Which has a reputation for being strikingly beautiful and fertile apparently. She's made a name for herself by undergoing the training and service of a knight, achieving the title on her own merits. The proposal came with a unique offer: A military detachment from her own fief, including a banner of Winged Hussars. Natasha says she's loyal to her men and country above all else, to the point where she's earned enmity among some of the nobility. Natasha says that you'd probably be added to that level of prestige if you continue as you are now.
[]Alva Bijorndottier: A women of 16, fifth-born daughter of Grand Prince Bijorn 'The Redsail' Af Muso. She is one of the oddest marriage requests that came to your attention. A well-known captain and trader in the Baltic sea, she is one of the few women who went to the Imperial Naval Academy in London and is considered one of the best sailors in the empire. But her skill with ships is also backed by a strong sense of finance. Though she is not nearly as rich as the Medici, marrying her will bring over 50 ships under your command.
[]Alva Bijorndottier: A women of 16, fifth-born daughter of Grand Prince Bijorn 'The Redsail' Af Muso. She is one of the oddest marriage requests that came to your attention. A well-known captain and trader in the Baltic sea, she is one of the few women who went to the Imperial Naval Academy in London and is considered one of the best sailors in the empire. But her skill with ships is also backed by a strong sense of finance. Though she is not nearly as rich as the Medici, marrying her will bring over 50 ships under your command.
[X]Princess Ai Song: A girl of 16, daughter of His Imperial Majesty Zi Song, Emperor of China, twin sister of Emperor Ling Song. There is not much known about her as you don't have any contacts within China. But from what you know from rumor, she is a very kind and gentle woman. More suited for diplomacy than the intrigues of court. You do not know what the Emperor is offering like the others, but it might be substantial... Or nothing at all.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Yes you do. Think about it...