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Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest

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spudman said:
You expect his gratitude? You remember this is Stannis, right? This offer was probably thanks to Davos talking some common sense into him. He'll honor the agreements he makes, but don't expect gratitude.

So you want to back Stannis and fight the fight that it comes with, but quite possibly not get anything out of it even though Robb is currently being offered his heir's hand.

Why?

Take the deal. Stannis promised to back the North and the Watch when we need it. If Robb married Shireen that's two generations of someone supporting the North and its interests on the Throne at the very least rather than one. That secures the Seven Kingdoms support against the Wildlings for things in the near-ish future, but it's also plenty of time to improve things for the North in general.
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I don't expect his gratitude. This is Stannis after all but I hardly think he'll be mad about 75,000 troops headed his way with the implicit message being. 'It's our duty to assist. You don't have to bribe us.' Of course, he might take it the wrong way initially but that's a very IC problem to have and I'm alright with that.

I don't think Robb has any interest in being King Consort. The Starks belong in the North and getting too close to the Iron Throne is fraught with hazards. Backing Stannis is the right and honorable thing to do but I think that we should think about it a bit more before Robb takes the plunge, so to speak. There might be another Jeyne/Talisa situation (It might be out of our hands to prevent) and if it happens while we're betrothed to Shireen...

Stannis will likely support the Night's Watch no matter what. It's his duty to the Realm. Whether or not we're betrothed to his daughter will hardly get between Stannis and his duty. In the long term, Shireen might be the best choice for stability but, in the now, accepting would send the wrong message and I can't see IC Robb doing that on a whim.
 
Walpurgis Knight said:
I don't expect his gratitude. This is Stannis after all but I hardly think he'll be mad about 75,000 troops headed his way with the implicit message being. 'It's our duty to assist. You don't have to bribe us.' Of course, he might take it the wrong way initially but that's a very IC problem to have and I'm alright with that.

I don't think Robb has any interest in being King Consort. The Starks belong in the North and getting too close to the Iron Throne is fraught with hazards. Backing Stannis is the right and honorable thing to do but I think that we should think about it a bit more before Robb takes the plunge, so to speak. There might be another Jeyne/Talisa situation (It might be out of our hands to prevent) and if it happens while we're betrothed to Shireen...

Stannis will likely support the Night's Watch no matter what. It's his duty to the Realm. Whether or not we're betrothed to his daughter will hardly get between Stannis and his duty. In the long term, Shireen might be the best choice for stability but, in the now, accepting would send the wrong message and I can't see IC Robb doing that on a whim.
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This is basically my opinion, the rightful King is Stannis so is our duty as a Stark to assist him, and since Melissandre is no longer around him he is arguably the best candidate out there (the other 3 are Dany, Renly and Aegon)

But I personally don´t want Robb to become King Consort, his place is in Winterfell not in King´s Landing.
 
I am not sure if it is a good idea to depend upon Stannis largesse. Stannis has a huge chip on his shoulder about Robert treating him poorly compared to Renly and Ned. He will honour his promises, that about all you can expect from him.

As King it would be within his rights to say that wildlings should be handled by the Warden of the North and he would have no problem giving the wardenship to some other house.

We should take the deal that is offered. It gives North the support it needs and keeps the alliance alive and everyone lives happily for ever.


TL;DR- Stannis is a humongous asshole. Look what he did to Davos when he tried to help him during the siege. He cut off his fucking fingers.
 
Hmmm... Let's see where we stand now.
Adhoc vote count started by Walpurgis Knight on Jul 23, 2017 at 2:51 PM, finished with 136 posts and 59 votes.
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[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X]Yes
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] No
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X]Yes

Removing Sansa AND becoming the future king of Westeros. What am I supposed to do? Care about Sansa feelings? That little b**** lied to fuck over her familly for the first pretty face. I am certainly not going to keep her anywhere something important.
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] Yes.
 
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] Yes.

I hope we get to play as Robb's kid as King in the Iron Throne.
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] No
 
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] Yes

In addition to what everyone's already said with regards to uncertain Reachlord loyalty to the Tyrells, we have to consider the craploads of leverage we get by supporting Stannis.

Stannis has at most his fleet and the Vale, and barring exceptional circumstance, Renly will beat him by default. Renly doesn't need us, and as such, how likely will it be that he'd help us out with the Ironborn and the Wildlings? What likely happens here is that Renly wins, we go back to the North, and become isolated as usual, for better and for worse.

Compare this with what happens should Stannis win. We control most of his army, we can be assured of a decently competent king who's already agreed to assist against the wildlings, and has a hateboner towards the Ironborn. He's amenable to our agenda.

Shireen is a sweet girl, but if we marry her, it'll be us that calls the shots. Besides, Stannis is kind of old, and with his lifestyle, how long will it be til he kicks the bucket? Compare this with another succession crisis should Renly be crowned and die.
 
Even if Renly wins, we can claim Stannis was the rightful King, and with him presumably dead, Renly becomes the rightful King so there should be no issue bending the knee to him. If anything, we can condition our bending of the knee to Renly on the condition that Shireen (and thus Robb's children) inherits the Stormlands and/or Dragonstone.
 
Gaah. I can't decide. I'll be happy with either the write ins or the double yes.

Wasn't this vote supposed to be called like 12 hours ago?
 
buli-buli said:
Gaah. I can't decide. I'll be happy with either the write ins or the double yes.

Wasn't this vote supposed to be called like 12 hours ago?
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I generally don't count any votes after the deadline I give. When I'm writing the update or at work I don't always pop in to let everyone know it's over. Usually figure people will get time + 1.5 = end time.

Because some might not have seen and because I'm nice (and didn't get to write as much as I'd hoped today) I'll accept them this time. Vote now closed. Congratulations to the eldest Stark children on their impending nuptials.
Adhoc vote count started by Charcolt on Jul 23, 2017 at 10:43 PM, finished with 128 posts and 57 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Charcolt on Jul 23, 2017 at 10:44 PM, finished with 148 posts and 68 votes.
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Charcolt said:
I generally don't count any votes after the deadline I give. When I'm writing the update or at work I don't always pop in to let everyone know it's over. Usually figure people will get time + 1.5 = end time.
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Understandable. I've seen a lot of moratoriums, that use the voters' own time pieces and honor system, but most of the time voters wait for the QM to post an official tally and take a statement like "vote closes in X hours" to mean "I'll attempt to get on around X hours from now".

But now that you've stated your preference, we can probably self-govern.
 
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godofsmallthings said:
I am not sure if it is a good idea to depend upon Stannis largesse. Stannis has a huge chip on his shoulder about Robert treating him poorly compared to Renly and Ned. He will honour his promises, that about all you can expect from him.

As King it would be within his rights to say that wildlings should be handled by the Warden of the North and he would have no problem giving the wardenship to some other house.

We should take the deal that is offered. It gives North the support it needs and keeps the alliance alive and everyone lives happily for ever.


TL;DR- Stannis is a humongous asshole. Look what he did to Davos when he tried to help him during the siege. He cut off his fucking fingers.
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Stannis did that because Davos had been a smuggler. Eddard hasn't done any crimes to be punished for so he won't be punished for anything.
 
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12. The King in the South
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    • Had the world seemed to blur, as you set your forces into motion? You traveled from tent to tent, speaking to noble lord and common soldier alike. Going through the motions of leadership. So, you would marry. Ser Davos had described Shireen Baratheon as a sweet girl, but you knew nothing of King Stannis' daughter beyond her age (within a few months of Arya's).

    To think of Arya taking a husband. Then again, all of you had been forced to grow up very quickly. You hoped Sansa would not resent you for selling her to the newly named Lord Harrold Arryn. There had scarcely been time to exchange more than pleasantries with the man. Handsome enough, though perhaps she would be tired of the blond pretty type now.

    And you might be king. Not merely of the North and the First Men, but of all Westeros. The Florent Queen had not given Stannis any sons, after all, and perhaps she would not. Some small part of you mourned your lost chance to wed for love. You silenced it. Mother and father had not loved one another when they wed, but they had come to. And there was no time to waste on could-have-beens. There was a war to win and an army to break.

    Thus you steeled yourself and marched the men to Castle Darry, where you would meet with the King on the Iron Throne.

    King Stannis was a simultaneously impressive and unimpressive figure. He was tall, though not as tall as the fat king who had come to Winterfell what felt like lifetimes ago. He was bald or near enough beneath that stag-antler crown, though his beard was still a thick, peppered black. And his eyes were blue - not the river hue of House Tully, but a stormy grey-blue.

    "Robb Stark," he said at last. "We've been expecting you. The men of the North, Riverlands, and Vale have proven themselves loyal."

    He gestured tersely, and you took a place around the table which you now saw depicted the southern kingdoms of Westeros. "Your men at the Golden Tooth have effectively knocked Casterly Rock out of the war by land. While they possess the fleet of Lannisport and have stolen that of King's Landing, it is unlikely they will be able to reinforce the city in time or at all."

    You paused for a second. Should you speak your thoughts from before on this? To remove the Westerlands from the war entirely would be to sign the death warrant of the King's Landing 'Baratheons' barring some miracle. Still, the decision was not without risk.

    [] Remain silent. King Stannis will doubtless have plans of his own to punish House Lannister once the war is won. There are good men who will be made great by the riches of the West.
    [] Lord Tywin will never turn on his grandchildren, but perhaps his youngest son will. Suggest that Tyrion be named Lord of Casterly Rock in exchange for withdrawing from the war.
    -[] Your father has sworn to protect Myrcella Waters, but that oath does not apply to Cersei's sons. They will not factor into your arrangement.
    -[] You cannot allow an innocent boy to die. Joffrey must face the Wall or the axe, but if he forswears any claim to the throne then Tommen should be remanded to his childless uncle's custody.
    [] The Lannisters holding Casterly Rock are not of the main line, but a cousin branch. If Ser Stafford joins his forces to yours, might he be worthy of the Rock?
    [] There are other possibilities too in so complicated a matter (Write-In).
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    • [X] Lord Tywin will never turn on his grandchildren, but perhaps his youngest son will. Suggest that Tyrion be named Lord of Casterly Rock in exchange for withdrawing from the war.
    -[X] Your father has sworn to protect Myrcella Waters, but that oath does not apply to Cersei's sons. They will not factor into your arrangement.
     
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    [X] Lord Tywin will never turn on his grandchildren, but perhaps his youngest son will. Suggest that Tyrion be named Lord of Casterly Rock in exchange for withdrawing from the war.
    -[X] Your father has sworn to protect Myrcella Waters, but that oath does not apply to Cersei's sons. They will not factor into your arrangement.
    If we can get the Lannisters to stay out of this then we can focus completely on Renly which we're going to have to considering that he probably still outnumbers us.
     
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