At which point should I start work on the Story only thread? After...

  • The High Priestess

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • The Empress and The Emperor

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • The Hierophant and The Lovers

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • The Chariot and The Justice

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • The Hermit

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • The Strength and The Wheel of Fortune

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • The Hanged Man

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • December/02/09

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • December/31/09

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • January/31/10

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .
-[X] "The Mysteries The Lesser Key of Solomon: Ars Goetia" (Chance to raise Academics. Gain insight on Furcas)
-[X] Akutagawa Anthology (Raises Academics)
 
Right. Votes closed.
Adhoc vote count started by The Oldman on May 2, 2017 at 5:34 PM, finished with 1752 posts and 12 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by The Oldman on May 2, 2017 at 5:36 PM, finished with 1752 posts and 12 votes.

  • -[X] "The Mysteries The Lesser Key of Solomon: Ars Goetia" (Chance to raise Academics. Gain insight on Furcas)
    -[X] "The Old Man and the Sea" (Raises Courage)
    -[X] "The Mysteries The Lesser Key of Solomon: Ars Goetia" (Chance to raise Academics. Gain insight on Furcas)
    -[X] Akutagawa Anthology (Raises Academics)
    -[X] "The Old Man and the Sea" (Raises Courage)
    -[X] "The Mysteries The Lesser Key of Solomon: Ars Goetia" (Chance to raise Academics. Gain insight on Furcas)

Adhoc vote count started by The Oldman on May 2, 2017 at 5:37 PM, finished with 1752 posts and 12 votes.
 
You'll be getting "The Mysteries The Lesser Key of Solomon: Ars Goetia" and "The Old Man and the Sea".

I'll start working. Vereor Nox.
 
I've been wondering lately...

Did I make the right choice making this quest?

I mean, I love this. I really do. I also love you guys, a lot. I mean it. I don't want to stop, even if this is moving at a snail's pace (something which I must correct ASAP, to be honest).

But I wonder...
The plot deviations and insane shit I have in store. Just how will it be received?
I want to continue because I think all of that is going to be seen as cool or full of emotion.

But I'm starting to feel insecure.

I won't lie and say "the haters can just piss off, I don't give a damn about everyone's opinion".
I care. A lot.

I've seen a lot of fanworks getting hate just because they didn't follow the rules of the setting to a T.
I'm afraid that, when it's time to show my own changes and modifications, I'll get torn apart limb by limb. Heck, I get the feeling that someone already hates me and what I've done thus far but they haven't said a thing.

I'm not even sure what's the point I'm trying to make here.
Asking your thoughts on what I'm doing is pretty much useless: You approve of what I'm doing, or at the very least tolerate it. You wouldn't be here otherwise.

This uncertainty and hesitation is seriously starting to kill me on the inside, more so than the exhaustion I felt in college.
I don't know what to do. I don't know what I should do.

My "partner-in-crime" that I mentioned a long, long time ago is gone. They didn't answer the last time I talked with them, and that was easily last year...

I think I need help.
Hell, I know I need it.

A lot of the mechanics are wonky and in need of adjustments. The combat system is absolute shit. I haven't really kept track of all the reds and blues. I hand out bonuses like candy but you haven't had a chance to use them. I fucked up a couple of times and revealed a lot of details.

I feel bad.
And I dunno. I don't want to ask for your help. You're invested in this story and I think I have the duty to make sure you just have to stay in your seats and laugh, or cry, or be horrified. I don't want to impose on you, even if you insist over and over again that it's no trouble

Sorry to ramble on with this...half-asleep stream of consciousness thing, but I needed to get this off my chest.
You don't need rate this post with hugs or likes. I don't want them. I didn't write this thing just to farm them.

I don't know.

I'm sorry.

I just don't know. I feel lost. Sorry.


 
The plot deviations and insane shit I have in store. Just how will it be received?
I dunno. You have to actually write shit out for us to judge the fuck out of it ya know?

I've seen a lot of fanworks getting hate just because they didn't follow the rules of the setting to a T.
We aren't Nasutards m8. We don't need you to trawl through archives and translated interviews with the writer just to write a story that meshes with their established universe.

Heck, I get the feeling that someone already hates me and what I've done thus far but they haven't said a thing.
Well yeah. You're right. Someone there does hate what you've written. But here is a little nugget of Wisdom from yours truly: No matter what you do, what you say, how you act, how you look, what you make with your two hands, someone out there hates what you've made, and by extension hates you.

You can write an epic that will be remembered centuries later, and someone will still find a reason to hate it.
My "partner-in-crime" that I mentioned a long, long time ago is gone. They didn't answer the last time I talked with them, and that was easily last year...
So find someone else. A lot of us here would be willing to help you. And no, we really don't give a shit about you imposing on us.

And I dunno. I don't want to ask for your help. You're invested in this story and I think I have the duty to make sure you just have to stay in your seats and laugh, or cry, or be horrified. I don't want to impose on you, even if you insist over and over again that it's no trouble
And I'm here to tell you that you don't owe us shit. There is no duty, no obligation that we demand, you should be entertaining us because it entertains yourself, not because you feel that you owe us.

I don't know.

I'm sorry.

I just don't know. I feel lost. Sorry.
*Shrugs* there is nothing to apologise for m8. Just take a step back from this quest and relax. Smoke some weed or get drunk or go to church or something. Just anything that gets you away from the chronic shit fest that plagues you. And after all that, if you don't want to come back to this quest? Then that's fine too. We don't hate you for that.
 
I mean, I love this. I really do. I also love you guys, a lot. I mean it. I don't want to stop, even if this is moving at a snail's pace (something which I must correct ASAP, to be honest).
The fact that you're aware of this is a good thing.
But I wonder...
The plot deviations and insane shit I have in store. Just how will it be received?
I want to continue because I think all of that is going to be seen as cool or full of emotion.
Trust me, it's fine. There's absolutely nothing wrong with plot deviations from the canon material as long as it's handled well, and I can tell that you care about this story to the point where you will handle it well.
I've seen a lot of fanworks getting hate just because they didn't follow the rules of the setting to a T.
I'm afraid that, when it's time to show my own changes and modifications, I'll get torn apart limb by limb. Heck, I get the feeling that someone already hates me and what I've done thus far but they haven't said a thing.
Dude, you're fine. Honestly, unless there are people actually go into and study the "Deepest Lore" of Persona and are incredibly anal about it, then nobody's honestly going to give you shit for diverting from the rules of the setting.
My "partner-in-crime" that I mentioned a long, long time ago is gone. They didn't answer the last time I talked with them, and that was easily last year...
There are people who will help you if you ask.
A lot of the mechanics are wonky and in need of adjustments. The combat system is absolute shit. I haven't really kept track of all the reds and blues. I hand out bonuses like candy but you haven't had a chance to use them. I fucked up a couple of times and revealed a lot of details.
If you believe there are problems wrong with the current system, then change it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with changing a system that you believe needs polishing this early on in the story.

You're doing fine Oldman. You shouldn't worry about this quest needing to be perfect, because you'll only find yourself at a dead-end wall that way. Just do your best.
 
You should be having fun with it. We'll read it in your writing, in the author's notes, in the little details that pop out at us. So far, that's what I've seen with each post. Looking forward to more.
 
I wanna say that I love P3 to bits and that I love the canon story as well. BuI also like and appreciate what you've written and would like to see more
 
I would say keep writing - But I am scared of the creatures that live in Reo's room.


But more seriously, so far, what you have written so far fits the series like a glove, and at worst... well..

Dude, you cannot go weirder than the SMT games.




They have a game where you are a planet bound astronaut attacking a dome at the south pole.

They have a game where an American Diplomat turns out to be a norse god who causes WW3

They have a game where a blue haired nerd ends up killing a bunch of demons who share three letters across their names as part of a plot by Cain to try and overthrow god.

They went and made a NGE game, but made it good.

There is a game where you play as a bunch of cannibalistic computer programs who later escape into the real world.


I'm loving what you've written, and it all fits within the lore as I see it so far.


And if you need a sounding board or anything... well...

not to toot my own horn or anything, but I am writing a Persona story at the moment myself, and have some ideas jotted down for at least four different quests that I never wrote. So... yeah. Be glad to help if you need it!
 
I've been wondering lately...

Did I make the right choice making this quest?

I mean, I love this. I really do. I also love you guys, a lot. I mean it. I don't want to stop, even if this is moving at a snail's pace (something which I must correct ASAP, to be honest).

But I wonder...
The plot deviations and insane shit I have in store. Just how will it be received?
I want to continue because I think all of that is going to be seen as cool or full of emotion.

But I'm starting to feel insecure.

I won't lie and say "the haters can just piss off, I don't give a damn about everyone's opinion".
I care. A lot.

I've seen a lot of fanworks getting hate just because they didn't follow the rules of the setting to a T.
I'm afraid that, when it's time to show my own changes and modifications, I'll get torn apart limb by limb. Heck, I get the feeling that someone already hates me and what I've done thus far but they haven't said a thing.

I'm not even sure what's the point I'm trying to make here.
Asking your thoughts on what I'm doing is pretty much useless: You approve of what I'm doing, or at the very least tolerate it. You wouldn't be here otherwise.

This uncertainty and hesitation is seriously starting to kill me on the inside, more so than the exhaustion I felt in college.
I don't know what to do. I don't know what I should do.

My "partner-in-crime" that I mentioned a long, long time ago is gone. They didn't answer the last time I talked with them, and that was easily last year...

I think I need help.
Hell, I know I need it.

A lot of the mechanics are wonky and in need of adjustments. The combat system is absolute shit. I haven't really kept track of all the reds and blues. I hand out bonuses like candy but you haven't had a chance to use them. I fucked up a couple of times and revealed a lot of details.

I feel bad.
And I dunno. I don't want to ask for your help. You're invested in this story and I think I have the duty to make sure you just have to stay in your seats and laugh, or cry, or be horrified. I don't want to impose on you, even if you insist over and over again that it's no trouble

Sorry to ramble on with this...half-asleep stream of consciousness thing, but I needed to get this off my chest.
You don't need rate this post with hugs or likes. I don't want them. I didn't write this thing just to farm them.

I don't know.

I'm sorry.

I just don't know. I feel lost. Sorry.

Okay, I'm going to say something important. It might sound mean, and if it comes off that way, I apologize, but it needs to be said:

Those voices in your head, the ones that are making you worry about fan backlash, or that you're going to screw up the lore, or that the mechanics are effed up.

Tell it to shut the fuck up.

I know how it is, even before I tried questing on this website. There's that little voice in your head that's telling you "this isn't good enough," or "it doesn't make sense," or "this is going to fail and people will hate it." I write. I always have that voice in the back of my head whenever I practice my craft. It's annoying, and it can be tempting to listen too, but if you do, your work will never take off.

There's no easy way to ignore the voice. It's always going to be there. You just have to keep fighting back at it. You can't let your fears get the best of you. Think of what you accomplished so far: you have the longest running Persona based quest. You didn't quit like the others. You kept at it. You had the strength to keep on going, and I think you find the strength to continue on.

If you need to take a break, then go ahead. If you need to find some one to help, then there are plenty to assist you. But whatever you do, don't let that voice win. It doesn't have your best interest at heart. It wants you to fail, wants you to think you're doing bad, for no reason other than to stop you.

As I said, tell that voice to shut the fuck up.
 
Thanks guys.

You're right, this old man has to calm down.

And I shouldn't be ashamed of asking for help, something that I need.

For now though, I think I'll start analyzing all the mechanics that are bad and try working out ways to fix them, as well as check my red statements, the bonuses and everything that needs to be known.
 
God, going through the early parts of the quest makes me want to puke.

So first of all, thank you all again for all of your support and understanding.
I'm counting all the things that need counting. Everything will be revised and reworked, as there is a need to streamline a lot of elements in this quest.

Gonna be honest with you, there's a lot of things that I'm really looking forward to doing, but shit can't continue without getting fixed now.

The most urgent things that need to be handled are the combat system (and by extension, the Modifiers and other Meta-Items) and everything regarding Timeskips.

I'm thinking about removing certain elements, such as Cleaning and Reading. I'm reluctant to do that, but I think it might help to keep track of other things since those won't have my attention. I'll decide fully on another point.

I am going to need your help for all of these things.

I'm thinking about opening a new thread where we can discuss this further, as to avoid filling this one, but I'm not entirely sure if anyone would actually go into it.

Please help me. I need this.
 
Omake: The Terrifying Velvet Room - Chapters 4-6
Since there hasn't been any activity lately (due to the ongoing discussions which everyone is strongly encouraged to join in the Rework thread) I figured I might give everyone a small omake.

Or rather...three.
First, some context...

+===============+

The Terrifying Velvet Room - Chapter 4

The entity known as Igor chuckled softly. Mirth and pride mixed in his voice.

"This time…" he spoke to the nameless pianist, whom he had taken to call Nanashi "This time will be the one. The new design of the Velvet Room is perfect!"

"Haa..." the blindfolded man looked resigned and defeated "I can't deny that this has a chance to succeed, but I am not certain this is a good idea all the same…"

"Ho ho ho…Nanashi-kun, have a little more faith!" the long nosed master of the Velvet Room crossed his arms and looked at the stage with pride "Since the floor does not disappear anymore, there is absolutely no way for us to fall!"

The pianist just shook his head. Best to get this over with...

"Now…let us begin...!"

Igor rose his hands and the curtain began to lift. Ominous music played in the background, indicating the summoning of a Persona into the Velvet Room! A great void full of stars appeared on stage.

…And the two were lifted off the ground, torn from it and sent flying towards the opened hole in space.

"I knew something would go wrong all the same!" the pianist screamed as he was sucked into the inky blackness of the sea of souls "I just knew iiiiiiiiiiiiiiit...!"

"I didn't expect that to happen at all!" the hunchbacked man replied, also screaming "Nanashi-kuuuuuuuuuuuun...!"

+===============+

The Terrifying Velvet Room - Chapter 5

Igor sat comfortably at one of the front line seats.

"Ho ho ho..." a snapping sound was heard through the entire concert hall "This time I've outfitted the seats with seatbelts!"

"Yes…I noticed that…" the pianist seemed like he had just given up trying to convince his master to stop.

"This plan cannot….No. It will not fail!" Igor spoke passionately "Furthermore, every seat has been provided with the seatbelts, so even our guest will be safe!"

"Is that so?" the blindfolded man saw a glimmer of hope for the first time "Then, unlike Tatsuya…"

"Indeed!" the hunchbacked man was positively giddy.

The young man, Reo Ornstein, began to materialize close to the back seats.

"Heya!" he greeted them "I just ranked up enough to get a new Persona. Think you can show it to me?"

"Of course, dear guest" Igor replied quickly, then turned to face the nameless pianist "This is it, Nanashi-kun!"

"Yes, master" he could do nothing but sigh. With any luck, things would turn out better...

A minute after, everyone was seated and with their belts fastened.

"Hmm…" the old man skimmed through the pages of a large book "Ahh, I see. Very well…"

Igor rose his hands and the curtain began to lift once again. Ominous music played in the background, indicating the summoning of a Persona into the Velvet Room! A great void full of stars appeared on stage.

The seatbelts did their job and all three individuals remained on their seats.

Then a creature began to emerge. A green colored thing seated upon a golden chariot.

A huge, massive, pulsating, throbbing…

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! MY EYES! SWEET INFANT JESUS, WHAT THE SHIT!? GOD, IF YOU ARE REAL THEN SAVE ME!"

Reo gazed upon the summoned Persona in abject horror. This was supposed to be the manifestation of the friendship between him and…HER?!

Impulsively, Reo unfastened the seatbelt and was instantly sucked into the inky blackness of the sea of souls.

Both men were silent. The pianist lowered his head and shook it as his hunchbacked master scratched the back of his own head.

"Of course…" the blindfolded man looked like he was about to cry "Of course something would go wrong…"

+===============+

The Terrifying Velvet Room - Chapter 6

"This time I have perfected the method!" Igor slammed his palm on the pianist's back, who bent forward due to the strength of the blow.

"Master Igor, please!" the blindfolded man pleaded with the old man "Isn't this enough!?"

"Nanashi-kun, you don't understand..." Igor looked at him with manic glee "This time I tested it before telling you!"

"…Really?"

"Yes, really!" Igor nodded enthusiasthically "Behold!"

Igor rose his hands and the curtain began to lift yet again. Ominous music played in the background, indicating the summoning of a Persona into the Velvet Room! A great void full of stars appeared on stage.

This time, the seatbelts were not even needed!

An incubus was summoned!

"Ahh!" the bald creature exhaled "Man, why'd you guys summon me? There aren't any hot chicks here!"

"No way! It worked!" the nameless pianist rose his arms to the heavens and postrated in raptorous joy "It worked! Halleluja! Halleluja! Halleluja!"

"And that's not the end of it!" the hunchbacked man laughed "Now we can open a portal to any location in order to observe it!"

With a snap of his fingers, the three bore witness to a scene quite out of place in the Velvet Room. A football field where college students were stuggling to catch up to the person with the ball.

"Snazzy! It's like a TV!" the Incubus spoke up "You got any porn on this thing?"

"Master, is there any danger of anyone seeing or hearing us?" the blindfolded man asked, deciding to ignore the Persona's words.

"They would need to be aware of the Velvet Room for that to happen" Igor replied while snapping his fingers, having taken the comparison of the portal with a TV and nothing else from the male sex demon.

The snapping continued every now and then, the master of the Velvet Room deciding to start "channel surfing".

He was shocked when the scene the portal showed was that of a nude woman bathing right next to a small waterfall.

"That's...!" the pianist wishpered in horror "Master, change the channel! Quickly!"

But it was too late.

"Woah...I'd totally tap that ass!" the Incubus exclaimed loudly "What a killer bod!"

The woman turned to face the portal.

She knew about the Velvet Room. It was a source of much anxiety to her, so how could she not?

The young woman smiled.

It was a pure smile, one holding no malice whatsoever.
A smile so pure it would not be mistaken to call it 'divine'.
So pure it was unnatural.
So pure, in fact, that it clearly threathened their existence.

"Master..." the pianist looked at the hunchbacked man with a grimace "I want a vacation"

"Sure..." the old man nodded.

"...I'm fucked and not the way I would like, am I?" the Incubus knew just how badly he messed up.

At this, Takako Nasu's smile grew wider.

" SAMSARA! "
 
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Time Management
Once more, I ask that you join in on the discussions of the Rework thread. For now, I came up with a system that can fix the snail's pace that the quest is going at.

There's three variants for it.

The Original Variant: At the end of every Sunday, you will set up your schedule for the next week. Whenever you have to go to school, you'll get 2 actions per day (Afternoon and Night). When you don't, you get 4 actions (Morning, Midday, Afternoon and Night).
So: Normal school week = 2 x 6 + 4 = 16 actions.

The bobbananaville Variant: Basically the same, but school days give you one action and every other day gives you 2. This one was brought up due to the overwhelming ammount of votes that the Orignal requires you to make.

The Compromise Variant: Taking into consideration that @bobbananaville has a pretty good point, but I think more time is better, I made this variant.
Just like the Original, when you have to school, you get 2 actions. When you don't, you 4. Unlike the Original, however, the intervals are 3 days long.

At the end of this post, you may vote on which one to use.

Now, I'll tell you the changes that will be present regardless of which variant you pick:
  • Cleaning will be removed, but only on a mechanical level. Sometimes you'll get to see co-op cleaning and Persona Advice, as well as Persona Cleaning, but from now on you don't have to worry about cleaning up yourself.

  • Reading will remain, but won't consume any time. You will have to choose what book to read at the start of the vote and it will happen automatically, however you will receive less points to your social stats.

  • You can no longer go see movies on your own. You won't be allowed to use it to grind for Social Stats.

  • If you go buy things at the Shops, you will not consume any time so long as you perform an activity in the same area. The Velvet Room will count as a Shop, albeit a special one.

  • You can still return to the dorm early, allowing you to study, rest up for a random bonus or play Devil Busters Online (The MMO. I'm not calling it Innocent Sin Online for plenty of reasons, the bigest being the whole Sumaru City Fiasco)

  • You cannot work on Social Links during the night. When you hang out with a Social Link Holder, you no longer need to choose a place to hang out at.

  • NEW FEATURE!
    You can decide to invite a group of people to hang out together once per week; for this you will need to choose a location. These people don't need to be Social Link Holders, or even be acquainted with each other. When you invite them, you'll get to see them interact with each other and you.

    If you bring Social Link Holders, you will get closer to all them, but you will receive less points than if you were hanging out individually and you cannot Rank Up during these events.

    Also, try to keep in mind the relationships between them and the point in the story at which you decide to invite these people, as well as the places you go to. If things go wrong, you might not get any bonuses.

  • Quite predictably, trips to Tartarus are a night-only activity. Once Reo and the rest of the party is accustomed to combat, trips to Tartarus will become automatic unless you want to perform SCIENCE! (once available) or when you have a fight against something other than the mooks.

  • When something of moderate importance happens, you'll see the event play out and have the opportunity to act. Same happens in every visit to the Velvet Room, since you can just go to visit the residents and talk to them if you so wish it.

  • Whenever something more important happens, the schedule is completely ignored until the situation is resolved. Once it is, you get to choose whether you want to continue with the plan as it is in the schedule or if you want to change it.

  • After the votes are made on the week's plan, you get to see a post summarizing the results of your choices. If you went to a shop (other than the Velvet Room), there'll be a small part in the post describing the things in stock and a sentence saying something to the effect of "You decided to buy..." followed by vote options. After that is something like "Satisfied, you leave the store" and the summary will continue.
    +===============+
    April/29/09
    Afternoon

    I went to Power Records and found:
    -An MP3
    -A colector's edition of Pepper and Haven
    -A Silent Comedy LP
    I bought...
    []Write-in bought articles
    And all was good

    +===============+
    April/29/09
    Night

    I decided to study, because Academics was my dump stat and I need it for the exams.

    [Your Academics has increased]

    +===============+

    [] Votes for the next time
How does all that sound?

Now then, which of the 3 variants would you like to use?

[] The Original Variant
(Pros: Greatly increases the pacing of the Quest.)
(Cons: 16 votes seems like an overwhelming ammount of votes and might stop people from voting.)

[] The bobbananaville Variant
(Pros: Quest will move at incredible hihg speed. Less things that you need to vote on keeps things clean.)
(Cons: Stat growth will need further rebalancing. Very fast incredible hihg speed pacing might be detrimental.)

[] The Compromise Variant
(Pros: Less things to vote while making use of every bit of time.)
(Cons: 3 days is faster than current speed, but not as much as 1 week.)

Adhoc vote count started by The Oldman on May 23, 2017 at 6:42 PM, finished with 1776 posts and 9 votes.
 
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[X] The Compromise Variant
(Pros: Less things to vote while making use of every bit of time.)
(Cons: 3 days is faster than current speed, but not as much as 1 week.)


I'd prefer the bobbananaville variant (it's named after me, for god's sake!), but not so much that I think it's worth the effort of balancing the system more than it presumably already has been.
 
[X] The Compromise Variant

We will have to vote more often, but this way if a major event happens early in the schedule, such as a character death, then it won't bork the rest of the week.
 
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