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[X][Rebellion] Provide Non-Violent Aid to the Rebels, Return With Refugees But No Lux
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[X][Rebellion] Fight For The Revolution! Free the Mages! Down with Jarvan IV!
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If we wanted nonlethal options, we shouldn't have brought Pow-pow.

[X][Rebellion] Provide Non-Violent Aid to the Rebels, Return With Refugees But No Lux
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If we didn't want a fight, we shouldn't have brought the airship.

We were warned, quite explicitedly, that the airship would lead Lux's enemies right to her.

That was fine when we assumed we could skedaddle, but if we don't, if Lux doesn't, then we put her directly in the line if fire of the forces of reaction.

By being here, we have removed what security this position had, and it doesn't have the firtifications to hold up to any kind of siege.
 
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[X][Rebellion] Provide Non-Violent Aid to the Rebels, Return With Refugees But No Lux

[X][Willpower] Spend One for +3 to Rolls

Get innocent people out the way. Give the rebels a little support. Head back home and start drumming up political support to pressure the Demacian government.

There's an actual peaceful society of mages, rebuilding an abandoned settlement that no-one else wanted. Growing food even. Plenty of reason for the council to offer diplomatic recognition to Luxes peaceful mages and sanctuary for refugees.

If the council can pressure Demacia and act as a mediator to come to a negotiated settlement then we might cut off the war before it ever really begins in earnest. Or we might not be able to get Sylas to stand down, but it should be an easy sell to convince Demacia they've got enough problems without attacking peaceful mages and forcing them to defend themselves. Especially if Piltover is willing to back the peaceful mages.

It does mean we leave behind Lux when she's who we came to save..... But honestly screw that helpless princess needing a rescuer crap. She's girlbossing and kicking ass and protecting people and has asked if we really want to help her we can do so by saving some of the innocents who want to GTFO.

We keep the vow we swore to not take up arms except in our own defence, Luxanna's or an innocents. Do Lux a solid. Help the people who actually need it. And hey, if we turn back up in Piltover with news of a whole new farming community who'd love the councils support and would be able to sell us food and grain? Well. There we have it.
 
We keep the vow we swore to not take up arms except in our own defence, Luxanna's or an innocents. Do Lux a solid. Help the people who actually need it. And hey, if we turn back up in Piltover with news of a whole new farming community who'd love the councils support and would be able to sell us food and grain? Well. There we have it
Piltover isn't going to lift a finger if they can help it.

Not for something as common internationally as peasants.

The entire reason this mission is so hush-hush rushed is because the council would consider even merely fetching Lux to provocative, and now you want to try selling them on conquering a chunk if Damacia?
 
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If we wanted to fight the war, we shouldn't have sworn the oath.

[X][Rebellion] Provide Non-Violent Aid to the Rebels, Return With Refugees But No Lux
The oath is fairly lose.



In theory non-lethally knockinv out various soldiers, and then killing the king (kings aren't soldiers) doesn't violate it.

Goes against the spirit a bit, but eh.
Besides the promise to Tianna
Why do any of you care? We'd never met Tiana before last update, and she's clearly still invested in being a cop. We don't owe her shit, never mind letting a promise made under duress take precedence over both a longtime friendship/crush and Jinx's firmly established stance of "fuck the police." I don't understand what's going on here! Why did anyone ever care about that stupid fucking oath? Why do you still care after getting Lux's side of the story?! Why are you more shy about burning bridges with Lux's aunt than Lux herself is?!
Piltover isn't going to lift a finger if they can help it.

Not for something as common internationally as peasants.
Piltover does, in fact, actively valorize not lifting a finger:
"Piltover is meant to be a city of peace, learning, and refuge from the world's problems." Heimerdinger frowned at both of them. "We don't involve ourselves in other nations' wars."
 
It does mean we leave behind Lux when she's who we came to save..... But honestly screw that helpless princess needing a rescuer crap. She's girlbossing and kicking ass and protecting people and has asked if we really want to help her we can do so by saving some of the innocents who want to GTFO
She's not.
Meanwhile, I got the noncombatants out of the city, we eventually took refuge here, and that's where things have been since
Lux has no plans, no weaponry, no regulator, no allies, no resources, no path to escape, no mobility.

We've just led the enemy right to her doorstep, and she has yet to consider the people who want to execute her enemies.

She is way out of her depth here.
 
Why do any of you care? We'd never met Tiana before last update, and she's clearly still invested in being a cop. We don't owe her shit, never mind letting a promise made under duress take precedence over both a longtime friendship/crush and Jinx's firmly established stance of "fuck the police." I don't understand what's going on here! Why did anyone ever care about that stupid fucking oath? Why do you still care after getting Lux's side of the story?! Why are you more shy about burning bridges with Lux's aunt than Lux herself is?!
I mean, the rest of the post that you didn't quote was my reasoning...
 
[X][Rebellion] Fight For The Revolution! Free the Mages! Down with Jarvan IV!
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She's not.

Lux has no plans, no weaponry, no regulator, no allies, no resources, no path to escape, no mobility.

We've just led the enemy right to her doorstep, and she has yet to consider the people who want to execute her enemies.

She is way out of her depth here.
Yeah, leading them here and leaving without helping is a total scumbag move.
And like, WHO CARES ABOUT THE OATH, OATHS TO BIGGOTS DONT FUCKING MATTER.
 
Yeah, leading them here and leaving without helping is a total scumbag move.
And like, WHO CARES ABOUT THE OATH, OATHS TO BIGGOTS DONT FUCKING MATTER.
There's a certain wry irony here, in Jinx living up exactly to her name.

Set Victor on his course for self destruction (the blood was her discovery after all) , but fail to follow up on it to the point where it captures Victor entirely.
Set the Fireflies on the course conflict on Zaun, then ditch them before it all comes to blows
Lead the Mage Hunters to Lux, then once again ditch before things come to blows.

Every time she runs, and every time she leaves friends behind to pick up the pieces, never really achieving anything but saving her own skin.
(Now, this isn't quite the truth, but it's true enough for her twisted inner narrative to run with it).
 
Anyway, now that I have the time to do stuff properly, I can finally properly expound upon why the

[][Rebellion] Provide Non-Violent Aid to the Rebels, Return With Refugees But No Lux

is an option doomed to failure and tragedy.

In past choices, we've made certain discoveries and compromises.

Eldred has put some of his best Mageseekers on hunting her down. He's quite determined to cleanse the stain on the family name.

She nodded and passed Lux's regulator over to me. "Fair enough. Hate me then, if it brings you comfort. You'll hardly be alone in that. If you want to take Luxanna out of Demacia, there are possibilities. I could convince King Jarvan to pass a sentence of exile on her." She let out a pained sigh. "It would satisfy the honor of our house, and I can't imagine she would want to return here in any case. She already refused the offer of amnesty that Garen begged the king to offer her on the condition that she foreswore the rebel cause and affirmed her loyalty to the crown."

"She's not the only one who'd see it," Tianna pointed out. "Eldred knows you're her friend. If he hears reports of a Kiramman airship in the same region where Lux is suspected to be hiding…"

Okay, that was a fair point. Though the airship was still a lot faster than anything Demacia had, so I could probably get in and out before the Mageseekers jumped us. Unless they were already in the area, or anything came up that slowed us down.

We decided to take a course of action that we knew would betray Lux's location. And it has :

I was about to pull out Pow-Pow to do a little tinkering with it when one of the crewmen let out a shout, and when I looked up I immediately spotted the small orb of golden light shining off in the distance. The way it was just hanging up in the air, perfectly still, told me it wasn't natural. "That's my Flashlight. Captain Barre?"

The airship flew in the area long enough the mage hunters to surely find it, and then Lux send out a flare. Crownguard doesn't have to be smart to figure out what that means.

So, a battle is guaranteed. Now, maybe Lux can slip away :

Lux wasn't hiding out in an abandoned ruin all by herself. As we got closer, it became clear that she arguably wasn't hiding out in ruins at all, because they'd started rebuilding. Which was great since it meant she was in a better situation, but also you didn't start rebuilding a city unless you had a whole community to work with. A community that Lux would care about and want to help out instead of running away with me.

On the one hand, it was great to see people living decently. On the other hand, it meant Lux was probably setting down roots. And on the other, other, hand, something like this was gonna be a lot harder to keep under wraps. If the Mageseekers were hunting for Lux and knew she was somewhere in the area already, it wouldn't take them long to notice that there was a ton of new construction in the middle of the old ruins, and make some connections.

Except that she can't, and won't. There's a community here, defenseless and without weaponry.

Security was going to fail anyway, and now we've made it all but impossible.

But maybe we can count on mercy :
"That's what the Mageseekers said," Lux answered with a troubled frown. "The truth is somewhat more complicated. And became even more so because his unique talents allowed him to immediately identify me as a mage despite all my precautions. We started talking quite a bit more after that. He was able to help me learn a lot more about how to control my magic, and forced me to confront the ugly realities of Demacia I'd been trying to hide from. Unfortunately, he was also a prominent enough prisoner that my visits to him did not go unnoticed. Aunt Tianna decided to take... measures. She arranged a betrothal between me and Prince Jarvan and had Sylas scheduled for immediate execution."
Except Damacia is the kind of place where recieving kindness is a crime punishable by death.

There's no hope for rapprochement here. Lux is speaking from a position of tremendous privilege here, and that's not going to carry her forever. The only thing Aunt Tianna cares about is this :

"Nothing about this whole sad affair has gone as I wished." She met my eyes with her steely gaze. "It will take a small miracle for no Crownguards to die in this mess, and possibly at one another's hands. I will do whatever I must to preserve the honor and legacy of the Crownguard family. The same honor and legacy that has kept Luxanna safe for years when she could've been hunted down and put in chains like a common criminal, and even now gives her a pathway to freedom."
And we've already estabilished that she perfectly fine with ordering people executed if she feels that'd work. Every person in this city has a dead sentence on their heads but for Lux, and even for her it'll be a matter of whether her husband gets to Lux first or someone else.

Oh, and btw, for the people who care about the oath.
Tianna winced. "That's…" She shook her head. "I will be damned by all these half-measures. Your word, then, that you will only take up arms against them in defense of your own life, Luxanna's, or an innocent's, and will show mercy whenever practical. And that you will take my niece to safety, treat her well and with honor, and give her the peace and happiness her homeland and family could not."

Leaving Lux behind breaks the oath.

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You also have to consider the practicalities of the various option. Lux proposes to utilize the airship for supplies and refugees.
Supplies is a terrible idea, counterproductive. Every supply run the airship does endangers the settlement further, because the time in which supplies are loaded and unloaded is time in which you're leading the mageseekers towards the settlement, hastening it's destruction.

Lux seems to taken with that most SV of predilections, the idea that if she just turtles up somewhere she can build up in piece and that the empire against which she rebelled, and which considers her an abomination, will just leave her alone.

Refugees is a noble idea, but we have a tiny airship and an entire settlement worth of people. The reality is that we can't move any meaningful fraction of people. We'd be leaving most of them behind, having hastened their doom by drawing the enemy directly to them.

Bonus points :
Lux let out a soft giggle and pulled back, though she wasted no time gripping both my hands with hers as if she couldn't bear to stop touching me completely. When she smiled, she lit up everything around her. Literally, some of her magic was probably leaking out. "Of course not, Jinx. We both know that nobody who cares about you would ever grow taller than you without getting your permission."

"Damn right." I grinned back, squeezing her hands. "Though since it's you, I suppose I could maybe forgive you if you got a one or two centimeter advantage on me. Don't start thinking I've gone soft and abuse that privilege, if you end up as tall as Caitlyn is we are gonna have words, missy."

No need to worry about this.
Soon enough, a royal blade is going to take 20 centimeters of the top.

edit : I kid. Lux has enough privilege left for life in prison.
 
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[ ][Rebellion] Provide Non-Violent Aid to the Rebels, Return With Refugees But No Lux
Issues: All Enforcers are Bastards (-1), Powder (-5), Abandonment (-2), Big Fat Hero (+1)
Failure Result: Jinx feels like she's not doing enough to help.

Wow. We are… in a bit of a pickle, huh? Not only are we getting stretched pretty thin in terms of what we need to do, Lux is clearly committed to this rebellion, and we already signed that pledge for non-violence. I wish there was a way of talking this out with Jarvan, before stuff really goes to hell. I'm assuming the Mageseekers game is canon, though, so… there's a lot that will happen soon, and if Jinx gets too invested she'll miss the Zaun stuff.
 
Wow. We are… in a bit of a pickle, huh? Not only are we getting stretched pretty thin in terms of what we need to do, Lux is clearly committed to this rebellion, and we already signed that pledge for non-violence. I wish there was a way of talking this out with Jarvan, before stuff really goes to hell. I'm assuming the Mageseekers game is canon, though, so… there's a lot that will happen soon, and if Jinx gets too invested she'll miss the Zaun stuff.
We signed a pledge to non-violence and to get Lux out of here, so we're breaking the pledge either way.

I also suspect we're not actually getting out of here either way.
Going for refugees just means we recieve word that Lux got captured before we're halfway back and then we have to turn the ship around again to do a prison break.
 
I am very tempted to zap Lux and drag her back with us. Lux is in way over her head, being offered an out, and refusing it in favor of an overly optimistic dream that almost certainly won't come to pass. The only thing holding me back is... well its all very Jinx, so I feel ssh'd be willing to jump in. Piltover values might not like it but hey, we need to shake up those values anyways. So let's do it.


[X][Rebellion] Fight For The Revolution! Free the Mages! Down with Jarvan IV!
[X][Willpower] Spend One for +3 to Rolls
 
LuxNegaQuest: This is definitive proof (if anymore was needed) that Jinx Kiramman, is not Jinx in name only. She still wants topple governments.

Just because she's slightly less crazy doesn't make Jinx any less of an anarchist who's down to roast some marshmallows on the fires consuming the works of tyrants.

Sheesh, Lux's aunt reminds me of Ambessa.

They definitely have a lot in common, in terms of being hardened war leaders who are driven by a keen awareness of how precarious their family's position could truly be. Though they'd probably both hate the idea that they have a lot in common, considering that if they've ever met, it was undoubtedly on the battlefield.

Tianna's not as ruthless and cruel as Ambessa, but that's mostly because Ambessa is the kind of parent who'll beat her kids half to death "to toughen them up."

Hehehehe, Jinx been a bad influence on Lux! Learning picklocking, become the leader of a Rebellion, not being offended that Sylas did what he had to do to survive and use such words that left everyone shocked.
Is this what feels like to be proud of corrupting someone?😈

Jinx has definitly had an influence on Lux, which is why she's a bit more all-in for the mage rebellion compared to canon where she spent a while as a waffling centrist before making her choice. Though even in canon she was eventually okay with fighting alongside Sylas once it was clear that compromise wasn't going to happen and the Mageseekers kept doubling down on being complete monsters. While she's not eager to fight (mostly because she's afraid it would mean fighting her own family), she's firmly committed to the cause.
 
[X][Rebellion] Fight For The Revolution! Free the Mages! Down with Jarvan IV!
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Sucks to be Lux, lol. All of that effort by the Kirammans and Jinx doesn't even come home with Lux.
 
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