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Last Light of a Dark Age (Warhammer 29K/Disco Elysium)

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Cetashwayo said:
GEN《AUTOFAIL》: No response save for pseudo-hawking radiation. Utterly expected, though utterly irritating. Stray observation: It is outstanding that this over-engineered and incomplete dead end remains so impossible to breach, as does any communication undertaken between it, the attributes, and the yolks. A mere beta-model, without any functional purpose, has resisted a thousand years of conscious study. The only breakthroughs not performed by demiurge-assisted chittering bedbugs have required exceedingly expensive serpentine contracts.
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Who are these bedbugs who the demiurge assist?

Cetashwayo said:
Soul-storage as practiced by aforementioned bedbugs, is incomplete, and corrosive.
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A hint. Who practices soul storage?

Cetashwayo said:
It is known that Oblivion Witches, especially in the Still Coast, are able to store souls, including Pneumatic souls, inside void crystals. It is now known that these void crystals are being used in the construction of Petriform Gas.
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Oblivion Witches! Apparently in league with the demiurge. But how do their crystals fit into this Dreamscape plot? The contracts were serpentine, not demiurgic!
 
Chanceseal said:
Oblivion Witches! Apparently in league with the demiurge. But how do their crystals fit into this Dreamscape plot? The contracts were serpentine, not demiurgic!
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Oh, good catch.

It sounds like Dreamspace tried to figure out the Nail by looking into the Demiurge and its allies. They got some results, but not the understanding they were looking for, and their investigation reached a dead end. So they turned to Chaos instead, and bargained with them for more knowledge.

From that, I'm guessing that Dreamspace traded knowledge of the void crystals to Chaos in exchange for something. Chaos used that knowledge to make petriform gas. It's less clear to me what Dreamspace got from this deal, but I suspect it's related to the shape in our head. Daemons do know a lot about possession.
 
Horologer said:
From that, I'm guessing that Dreamspace traded knowledge of the void crystals to Chaos in exchange for something. Chaos used that knowledge to make petriform gas. It's less clear to me what Dreamspace got from this deal, but I suspect it's related to the shape in our head. Daemons do know a lot about possession.
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They used it to double cross chaos, stealing chaos's evil plan.
 
So, Obviously we have the shape, We ate a warpspawn so that might still be kicking around in there, We've got the nanocancer, little bits of C'tan nanites slowly nibbling away at our face, The staple used petriform in its construction, and petriform is at least partialy a nurglite plauge in origin, There is also whatever THE COST's whole deal is, if it isnt one our previously mentioned hangers on. Harmony really is just riddled with unwanted guests huh.
 
Current voteleader seems quite far ahead. Going to set a deadline for tonight so we can move on soon to the mortal coil :)
 
The Demiurge, Chaos, and Dreamspace, all wrestling over the same prize: Apotheosis. Stuck in the middle: the Techno-States of Illuminata, divided against themselves and against these greater forces. And at the center of it all, a humble Courier---I mean, Kora-self. Is she destined to tip the scales, or is she nothing more than a "chip" (ha!) for the Godly Aspirant to manipulate in their endless wars against each other?

Tune in next week for the next! Episode! Of!

The Last Light.

…will return to you after these messages.

"HOWDY! I AM COLONEL COCKADOODLEDOO, AND IT IS MY DESIGNATED FUNCTION TO EXCITEDLY GESTICULATE WHILST I EXPOUND UPON THE JOYOUS WONDERS OF MR. MOROW'S HUMAN CHICKEN: THE ETHICAL CHOICE!"
 
You did inflict true death on that serpent. You were too hungry to do anything else.

One may wonder if, given that aufofail related to chaos undivided was a staple provoked autofail, that it was an intentional misdirect, or something else.
 
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Cetashwayo said:
You did inflict true death on that serpent. You were too hungry to do anything else.

One may wonder if, given that aufofail related to chaos undivided was a staple provoked autofail, that it was an intentional misdirect, or something else.
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Is our memory that good? It's been subjective years since then. Also, I thought we didn't know a lot about chaos (though Miss Normal would, I guess)

Cetashwayo said:
INFOWAR [AUTOFAIL]: I can't. I can't. It's my fault, boss. I shouldn't have done this. We shouldn't have tried to escape this. We shouldn't have come here. We should have stayed a qualia. We should have let you seek nothing. Nothing is better than this.
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You probably won't answer this one, but I'm now wondering what that's about. I got the impression D5h just did a reset when that sort of thing happened?
EDIT: Maybe it's because it's already the final cycles, and it doesn't actually provoke us into anything disruptive? And also the symbiont was probably refined at that moment
 
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Cetashwayo said:
Sympathy knows serpents intimately and it was her thought that told you that you inflicted true death.
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Yeah, I didn't doubt that part lol. I was asking about the autofail
Though that could answer the knowledge part, if whatever we did to Sympathy's soul gave us knowledge on chaos undivided, but how would the shape know that?

New headcanon: the shapes made an agreement with chaos to do chaos ads like this in the middle of normal operation
 
NamelessBeast said:
Yeah, I didn't doubt that part lol. I was asking about the autofail
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Oh, the Chaos Undivided autofail. No, that's something the staple appears to have done (with the dreamshape influencing it). It may also be part of your memory, given if you are a Monadic monk then dealing with Hydra may be part of your job.
 
Cetashwayo said:
Oh, the Chaos Undivided autofail. No, that's something the staple appears to have done (with the dreamshape influencing it). It may also be part of your memory, given if you are a Monadic monk then dealing with Hydra may be part of your job.
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Man the Monadic monks who specialize in with dealing with hydra must be some blend of vindicated, ostracized and bored out of their minds right now. On the one hand any warnings they sounded must seem prescient, but at the same time they presided over the biggest near-victory hydra has ever had and fingers are probably being pointed even if the Cordial was more or less banning them from doing their job after the Origen Station incident (kinda surprised that none of the Petriform missiles aimed at it were allowed to go on, but I guess it's orbital defenses probably were/are good enough to stop them). Yet even the infinite hordes of the warp probably aren't making too much work for them what with all the daemons screaming about linear time and haunted shapes.

Meanwhile the Dreamshape specialists wish they had it so good after having to explain for the nth time that sending a diplomatic mission to Dreamspace is still heresy against Gnosis even if the shapes saved the world. On the bright side they're probably swimming in funding atm.
 
Da Boyz said:
Man the Monadic monks who specialize in with dealing with hydra must be some blend of vindicated, ostracized and bored out of their minds right now. On the one hand any warnings they sounded must seem prescient, but at the same time they presided over the biggest near-victory hydra has ever had and fingers are probably being pointed even if the Cordial was more or less banning them from doing their job after the Origen Station incident (kinda surprised that none of the Petriform missiles aimed at it were allowed to go on, but I guess it's orbital defenses probably were/are good enough to stop them). Yet even the infinite hordes of the warp probably aren't making too much work for them what with all the daemons screaming about linear time and haunted shapes.

Meanwhile the Dreamshape specialists wish they had it so good after having to explain for the nth time that sending a diplomatic mission to Dreamspace is still heresy against Gnosis even if the shapes saved the world. On the bright side they're probably swimming in funding atm.
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Bellamona would be so pissed that this resurgence in Monad is because the fucking dreamshapes (seemingly) saved the world from hydra.

It's probably not a coincidence that this LETHE plot happened after the Day of Two Suns. If you don't realize that these shapes consider basically everyone on Illuminata to be akin to ants (or are arrogant enough to think that you can convince them otherwise) then maybe you don't turn to Monad but in a more triangular direction.
 
Cetashwayo said:
I ask that there be no more requests to alter the style on the punctuation because I realized what was happening is that this is a difference in American and British punctuation. British punctuation and style guides do not recommend putting periods inside quotation marks but the opposite.

I got a bit worried since it was happening so much and realized it's just different textual dialects. Cool thing to learn. I've unfortunately already altered a lot to the American punctuation and can't be assed to make them consistent now since it's such a small thing, but in the future I am using British style and will be putting punctuation outside quotation marks. In general, if something looks stylistic it probably is. If you think the style is confusing let me know but it's not a typo.
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I didn't really respond to this part of your post @Cetashwayo at all I feel, the other day. But at the same time I don't have lot to say here other then to express acknowledgement on the evidently different textual dialect's it turns out we had and uhh whoops, sorry for having unintentionally worried you like that.

Now, rereading the thread comments made after 11.10 has convinced me to change my vote from LIVING WEAPON TO RHYTHMS. Despite it not really affecting the final vote, but because it feels right to me, now. Of killing this Dreamshape through the power of empathy, a feature it fundamentally lacks. And would presumably express scorn over.

[x] RHYTHMS. The tempo, in the planet's noise. Harmony with artifice.

And here's some relatively last minute thoughts. Before the vote closes.
Cetashwayo said:
EVENT HORIZON [Godly - Success]: An abyssal wind howls, just beyond the threshold of a sleek and shining cube-block door. The gateway trembles in its hinges. It cannot hold long.
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Cetashwayo said:
EVENT HORIZON: There is one more thing. Glimmering just beyond the horizon, the red sun. And beyond that, the cube-block door, and the void.

EVENT HORIZON [Heroic - Success]: We are so close, little self. So close. Do not lose heart. There is a last surprise, if you can make it there.
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Cetashwayo said:
RHYTHMS [Challenging - Success]: A scene appears. The time is last night. The setting is a musty, wrecked hotel room, in a town of the blind. The sight is a horror. Strings and circuits quivering in the meat of a stone doll. Muscles of a synthetic jaw held ajar in a silent scream. It is a woman's scream. A familiar scream. Your scream. She sobs in halting, choking gasps, the suffocated death rattles of a living, breathing being, turning to stone.
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Hmm, this might be a tad too early to talk about just yet, but I'm curious what is the context behind this vision by Event Horizon back in 5: The Ethics of Greed and later brought up again in 9: War Without Reason regarding the cube block door? It seems like it might be one of the last memories Harmony had before going to LETHE and receiving GEN. An image from the past where Harmony might have been either about to be kidnapped or was under attack, since what was causing the cube block door to tremble? It can't be referring to where (present) Miss Normal's body is, since we knew it's at a rundown hotel. Seemingly far away from a cube. Unrelatedly I'm guessing that the "last surprise" Event Horizon is referring to here must be the future-past promise made between Sympathy and Harmony, for there is nothing else I can think that would warrant such a positive (if I'm reading this correctly) comment.

Cetashwayo said:
GEN《AUTOFAIL》: It must also be acknowledged that this would not have been possible without the seed of structural grief planted within the mind of the hylic (and the machine) that has fed ten faces of my form and uncountable overlapping layers of my fractal throughout eighteen years of development. Though it is often the tendency of the lower beings to blame the higher for their suffering, their own mental deficiencies may be our delight but certainly not our design.

And it was your fault. It was your despair that fed it. It is the shape of your despair. It is not a foreign serpent, not an infovirus. You have crafted it by your own hands.
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Cetashwayo said:
GEN]: +But she did not. She let this unit in, without prompting. She gave this unit access, to see through her eyes. To hear through her ears. To know the sound of her voice, the tickle of her touch, the sharp aroma of her scent. She told this unit it was her 'first and secret friend.'+
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At what stage in the process was the grief planted? Because if it's before, then Harmony was perhaps manipulated into embedding GEN into herself through overwhelming pneumatic power breaching her null field. Because assuming I'm not misreading this, it sounds like Harmony's memory was already erased, since Gen cannot be a "first and secret friend." Unless the "and" (in the bolded by me) is unintentional and a typo. Rendering this line of speculation null (hah) and void.

Cetashwayo said:
RELIQUARY [AUTOFAIL]: There's nothing wrong with this map.
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Lastly, what could be wrong with the initial map we received from 1: A Nightmare Called Today? What about it was so crucial for D5h to censor? I can't think of many answers to this. We'll just have to wait for update 12 and beyond to see.

Edit: Forgot about GEN saying it and Miss Normal knew about Harmony's memories and were actively trying to ease them whenever they appeared in 11: Red Sun.

Edit#2: I'm confused if "Do not lose heart. There is a last surprise, if you can make it there." Is supposed to be a warning instead?
 
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Past Dreams said:
Lastly, what could be wrong with the initial map we received from 1: A Nightmare Called Today? What about it was so crucial for D5h to censor? I can't think of many answers to this. We'll just have to wait for update 12 and beyond to see.
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My guess is that, although the map is accurate to some point in history, it is not accurate to the present. Maybe D5h is trying to trap her, emotionally, to some point in the past? Maybe even distant past? That's Reliquary's weakness, after all.

Alternate theory: At some point after the War of the Cordial and the Compact and/or the Cyber War (I assume these are two separate conflicts), something colossal happens to Illuminata itself that changes the shape of the world. Maybe a continent that should be there isn't, maybe a whole section of the world no longer exists, or maybe Dreamspace/Dreamfeast shouldn't be as undefined as it appears to be on the map.
 
LuciDreamer said:
My guess is that, although the map is accurate to some point in history, it is not accurate to the present. Maybe D5h is trying to trap her, emotionally, to some point in the past? Maybe even distant past? That's Reliquary's weakness, after all.

Alternate theory: At some point after the War of the Cordial and the Compact and/or the Cyber War (I assume these are two separate conflicts), something colossal happens to Illuminata itself that changes the shape of the world. Maybe a continent that should be there isn't, maybe a whole section of the world no longer exists, or maybe Dreamspace/Dreamfeast shouldn't be as undefined as it appears to be on the map.
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Possibly just the whole Why Is This Alien Planet Pangaea question?
Which, like, of a piece with the rest of Illuminata in that its Extremely Strange But Also Predictable.
 
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