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STAR WARS: The Galactic Civil War

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Adhoc vote count started by Magoose on Mar 8, 2025 at 4:45 PM, finished with 424 posts and 147 votes.
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sun tzu said:
I'm admittedly not super-familiar with his pre-Empire career, but I'm not comfortable with the notion of giving the chancellorship to Tarkin, the face of Space Nazism in the canon timeline.
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Well before he ever got on Jar Jar's council he conspired with Raith Sienar to invade an entire planet so as to steal its shipbuilding secrets and employed a mixture of Trade Federation and Outland regions Security Force troops to do so. In the course of his imperialist action his forces ran into Obi-Wan and he captured and had imprisoned aboard his ship a then twelve year old Anakin Skywalker who he swiftly left to die when it looked like the vessel was about to be destroyed.

People say Tarkin went bad after the Empire started up, but he's always been a bastard that uses force to get what he wants. Him believing in the Republic and being willing to maintain it doesn't really change the fact that he's still the kind of person to employ Delta Base Zeros without hesitation, it's just that he'll be doing against those he views as being in the way of the Republic's continued survival, enemy or otherwise.
 
Spart117MC said:
Well before he ever got on Jar Jar's council he conspired with Raith Sienar to invade an entire planet so as to steal its shipbuilding secrets and employed a mixture of Trade Federation and Outland regions Security Force troops to do so. In the course of his imperialist action his forces ran into Obi-Wan and he captured and had imprisoned aboard his ship a then twelve year old Anakin Skywalker who he swiftly left to die when it looked like the vessel was about to be destroyed.

People say Tarkin went bad after the Empire started up, but he's always been a bastard that uses force to get what he wants. Him believing in the Republic and being willing to maintain it doesn't really change the fact that he's still the kind of person to employ Delta Base Zeros without hesitation, it's just that he'll be doing against those he views as being in the way of the Republic's continued survival, enemy or otherwise.
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This do not happen here.

And even if true how do you explain when Anakin and Tarkin did not know each other.

Also Tarkin was part of the goverment aince the Phantom Era a 20 years odd so the events you described did not happen here.
 
sun tzu said:
And Palpatine's Empire was an extremely oppressive, unsubtly racist regime.
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In the First Trilogy there are no hints of excessive oppression of non-humans. Except that the entire officer corps are Caucasian people (stormtroopers are supposedly also, but we don't see their faces).
sun tzu said:
The Empire is, rather transparently, based on the Third Reich. Heck, the original trilogy in general takes a lot of cues from WWII.
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I agree that Lucas had the Third Reich in mind, as did the actors who played the imperial officers. But the entire original trilogy is very conditional (Even the word "Empire" itself lacks any additional specifics). And we have many examples when the aesthetics of the Reich are used for antagonists without using the real practices of historical Germany or the postulates of Nazi ideology. If you watch the original trilogy, what will you learn about the Ideology of the Empire? They are supporters of dictatorship and the use of force for their power. And then? Their views on race? It is not said exactly. Their views on economics? There is no hint. What is the figure of the Emperor? He is a dictator, but is he considered a man or the incarnation of God on Earth? It is not said. Despite the source of inspiration of Mr. Lucas - the Empire is a spherical tyranny in a vacuum (where there is a minimum of specifics). Like the rebels - they are abstract fighters for freedom. Therefore, it is not surprising that many saw the USSR in the Empire. The specification of any goals and desires of the Imperials began already in Legends.
 
Spart117MC said:
Well before he ever got on Jar Jar's council he conspired with Raith Sienar to invade an entire planet so as to steal its shipbuilding secrets and employed a mixture of Trade Federation and Outland regions Security Force troops to do so. In the course of his imperialist action his forces ran into Obi-Wan and he captured and had imprisoned aboard his ship a then twelve year old Anakin Skywalker who he swiftly left to die when it looked like the vessel was about to be destroyed.
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Anakin was nine during Phantom Menace, Jar Jar was elected right after that, and forming our Council was one of the first things we did, so this literally cannot have happened before he was on our Council, if it even happened at all in this continuity.
 
Hmm. Question here. What exactly are droids rights like if the secondary candidate here is a droid? Because if there's a rights movement, there was no indication in the previous thread.

Most droids should be pretty dumb, are used for routine tasks, are bought and sold en mass. If there's a rights movement, it should be a very big deal because it would essentially catastrophicly destroy the SW economy.
 
Lost Star said:
Hmm. Question here. What exactly are droids rights like if the secondary candidate here is a droid? Because if there's a rights movement, there was no indication in the previous thread.

Most droids should be pretty dumb, are used for routine tasks, are bought and sold en mass. If there's a rights movement, it should be a very big deal because it would essentially catastrophicly destroy the SW economy.
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There was not one as far I understand.

Thus the droid laws even when pass Mangoose mention that we may changed the term politically socially and culturally it is not even there yet.

People are actually struggling to coming to terms they should now be considerate people.

It's like the goverment said your cellphone is now a person and you are now wondering how that suppose to work.
 
Magoose said:
If a droid gets elected to chancellor ship hell if a droid gets chosen as a member of the war cabinet… it will be a very final nail in the coffin of anti droid shit as well as justification for jar jars rhetoric that all sentients are equal.

Even droids.
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I think it's pretty clear given Magoose's words that droid rights will be given a massive boost by the election of a droid Chancellor.

JAGwin said:
Anakin was nine during Phantom Menace, Jar Jar was elected right after that, and forming our Council was one of the first things we did, so this literally cannot have happened before he was on our Council, if it even happened at all in this continuity.
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Fair enough, that managed to escape my brain, but that doesn't mean the Second Battle of Zonama Sekot didn't happen as Tarkin's loyalty wasn't fully secured until Turn 5. Assuming every turn is a year then he became a definite ally of Jar Jar's in 27 BBY whereas the battle canonically took place in 29 BBY. Hell, during Turn 3 – which would be 29 BBY going by one year equals one turn – he was advocating for summary arrests and Jar Jar had to talk sense into him.
 
[X] The Prime Choice

Going to be honest, Tarkin just doesn't seem like a good fit for a politician and the guy in canon seems too much of a sociopath and just too different to what we tried to do with Jar Jar.

Meanwhile while the Prime choice may be a bit of a Meme it does seem genuinely interesting to have a droid become chancellor. Especially since doing so means the anit-droid rhetoric will die off. Also like the idea of them following off where Jar Jar left and finishing one of his main goals of bringing true equality for all sentients.
 
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[X] Plan: Tarkin Doctrine
-[X] Wilhuff Tarkin
-[X] What do you look like?
-[X] The Loyal Officer: The Republic's Shield
 
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Red Bovine said:
[X] The Prime Choice

Going to be honest, Tarkin just doesn't seem like a good fit for a politician and the guy in canon seems too much of a sociopath and just too different to what we tried to do with Jar Jar.

Meanwhile while the Prime choice may be a bit of a Meme it does seem genuinely interesting to have a droid become chancellor. Especially since doing so means the anit-droid rhetoric will die off. Also like the idea of them following off where Jar Jar left and finishing one of his main goals of bringing true equality for all sentients.
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I did try to argue the Republic is not ready for a droid chancellor simple because it is too soon for this happen.

And the QM also said if a droid be selected to the cabinet achieve the same result.

Also you can chose Binks as Vice-Chancellor so even if Tarkin is chosen and Binks is the Vice he would be sure to take action fi things go too far.

And once again that is cannon Tarkink not the one from this Quest.

Not to mention mechanic wise the Loyal Soldier is eay too useful for the war than the Outsider.
 
Soberan 123 said:
I did try to argue the Republic is not ready for a droid chancellor simple because it is too soon for this happen.

And the QM also said if a droid be selected to the cabinet achieve the same result.

Also you can chose Binks as Vice-Chancellor so even if Tarkin is chosen and Binks is the Vice he would be sure to take action fi things go too far.

And once again that is cannon Tarkink not the one from this Quest.

Not to mention mechanic wise the Loyal Soldier is eay too useful for the war than the Outsider.
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Eh, if the QM is saying that electing them to the position would end the anti droid rhetoric feels like it's not that much of an issue. Especially since they would have been elected into said position. Besides we can still have Tarkin lead the Navy/Army.
OldGlory76 said:
It feels like Tarkin is the kind of guy who doesn't care who he gets orders from as long as those orders aren't stupid.
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Yeah, that's a big reason why I don't like Tarkin in that kind of position of power as Chancellor. Not to say that don't really see it as a problem as long as he isn't in that kind of position. Rather we get someone who genuinely cares a lot more about the people as well as the Republic. Even if we are controlling him just seems more fitting based on our previous choices in my opinion.
 
Magoose said:
Wildcard Factor: You are unpredictable, making it harder for opponents to counter your moves. (All opposition cannot remove you while your approval stands above 50%)
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On the other side, well…

Outsider gets this trait that shuts down attempts to replace us as long as approval stands above 50%.

So, I get the feeling that this won't just be a normal battlefield as Palpatine pulls all the stops to take down the behemoth, INCLUDING the assets he no doubt still has in the Republic. Few, but enough to add another dimension, one he'd really want given the sheer gap between the groups. After all, a Republic full mobilization is basically a 'I win button'.
 
[X] Plan: "Signing up for office was a bad idea."

[X] The Prime Choice
 
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Themarineguy said:
On the other side, well…

Outsider gets this trait that shuts down attempts to replace us as long as approval stands above 50%.

So, I get the feeling that this won't just be a normal battlefield as Palpatine pulls all the stops to take down the behemoth, INCLUDING the assets he no doubt still has in the Republic. Few, but enough to add another dimension, one he'd really want given the sheer gap between the groups. After all, a Republic full mobilization is basically a 'I win button'.
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The troble of the Outsider that if opinion drop bellow 50% we suffer -20 peanalty in all political rolls, since we will be at war defeats likely will push opinion down and being too passive as well. Political actions cost the double and we would have to work extra hard to make the factions even want to work with us.

Loyal Soldier unlock us special military options from the get go that cluld be really useful and reroll to avoid the damege in morale done by a defeat.

Also political power to make war actions are halved too.
 
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Soberan 123 said:
The troble of the Outsider that if opinion drop bellow 50% we suffer -20 peanalty in all political rolls, since we will be at war defeats likely will push opinion down and being too passive as well. Political actions cost the double and we would have to work extra hard to make the factions even want to work with us.

Loyal Soldier unlock us special military options from the get go that cluld be really useful and reroll to avoid the damege in morale done by a defeat.

Also political power to make war actions are halved too.
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Each role has its own to offer to the table. The soldier is great at winning the war, but at the same time, it requires having the time to spend on the war itself to do so. The compromise candidate is more middle of the road, about dealing with the home front.

…And outsider is the opinion bar king, where he/she will live or die depending on how well managed it is.
 
Themarineguy said:
Each role has its own to offer to the table. The soldier is great at winning the war, but at the same time, it requires having the time to spend on the war itself to do so. The compromise candidate is more middle of the road, about dealing with the home front.

…And outsider is the opinion bar king, where he/she will live or die depending on how well managed it is.
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That way it looks like to me the Outsoder is the populist option that have to make the people happy case contrary start to suffer personalities and all Political actions are double.
 
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Soberan 123 said:
The point flow over your head.
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JAGwin said:
Misses the point so hard it flow through Hyperspace.
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Yes, it didn't happen in this timeline. Do either of you have anything of value to say? It still shows what kind of person Tarkin is, he is loyal to Republic and Binks influenced him to some extent, it doesn't change the fact that Tarkin as a person, is frankly a bastard who wouldn't blink after killing a child.

Soberan 123 said:
There was not one as far I understand.

Thus the droid laws even when pass Mangoose mention that we may changed the term politically socially and culturally it is not even there yet.

People are actually struggling to coming to terms they should now be considerate people.

It's like the goverment said your cellphone is now a person and you are now wondering how that suppose to work.
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Soberan 123 said:
I did try to argue the Republic is not ready for a droid chancellor simple because it is too soon for this happen.

And the QM also said if a droid be selected to the cabinet achieve the same result.
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Please, just shut up already, I'm as tired of your bullshit at this point as BigFungus was. Magoose made it abundantly clear that Droid Chancellor makes sense, if you like it or not. Is there still prejudice? Yes. But there also people who are supporting Droid rights, Droids are people, just because there also exist roombas alongside them doesn't change this fact, and they can work in the government just fine. Is it wierd? Yes, but so was non-Human from backwater planet becoming Supreme Chancellor despite not even being formal member of the Senate, and then starting to solve more than thousand years of corruption, pointless and harmful laws and corporate dominance.
 
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Red Bovine said:
Yeah, that's a big reason why I don't like Tarkin in that kind of position of power as Chancellor. Not to say that don't really see it as a problem as long as he isn't in that kind of position. Rather we get someone who genuinely cares a lot more about the people as well as the Republic. Even if we are controlling him just seems more fitting based on our previous choices in my opinion.
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Even with him not being the canon Imperialist Space-Fascist Tarkin feels like the kind of character born to be a subordinate. Given a certain amount of leeway to do his job but having someone above him giving him orders.
 
OldGlory76 said:
Even with him not being the canon Imperialist Space-Fascist Tarkin feels like the kind of character born to be a subordinate. Given a certain amount of leeway to do his job but having someone above him giving him orders.
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Tarkin is the Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa to Jar Jar's Augustus. Point him at a situation, and he'll fix it.
 
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