Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
- Location
- Coleraine
Remember, We have to careful around him, he was sent on a Snipe Hunt and bagged himself a spiritdamn snipe.
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After the Ashes: A Fire Nation Chancellor Quest
- Thread starter Granite
- Start date
- Fantasy
Remember, We have to careful around him, he was sent on a Snipe Hunt and bagged himself a spiritdamn snipe.
- Location
- France
[X] an imposing older woman, possessing a soldier's build, though such was to be expected from an officer in the Colonial Security Forces. While technically just a state-backed militia, the Colonial Security Forces had long filled a similar role to that of the Domestic Forces for the colonies, handling inter-colonial policing and territorial defense in situations where the army proved insufficient. The formalization of the CSF had come in the last years of Azulon's rule, the generals having advocated for the formalization of existing colonial militias, and it was an open secret that she held close ties with the militarist faction in court. [Willful, Honorable, Colonial Officer, Mild Militarist Inclinations, Early 50s]
[X] public benefit reform, where she'd advocated for the further modernization of Sozin's Prosperity Programs, a wide-ranging package of welfare programs that sought to provide for the health and well-being of the Fire Nation and its people. In recent years, these programs have failed to keep up with modern issues, most notably the labor laws and the national apothecaries. The first is not well fit for the modern needs and risks of the workplace, while the second has failed to integrate modern medicine into treatments. This is a broadly popular position, though one that has the potential to be both expensive and step on toes.
[X] family code reform, where she's taken the controversial position of arguing for the reform of the family code set out by Sozin a century ago. The family code lays down standardized national laws around marriage, divorce, abuse, adoption, and inheritance. The code notably restricts divorce, mandates single-child inheritance, restricts domestic abuse, and bans homosexuality. While it has since come to be lauded by some as a defense of the family, there is a quiet movement for its form; supporting such openly would be controversial, but has the potential to be a somewhat popular move should it succeed.
[X] Usagi Morishita
[X] public benefit reform, where she'd advocated for the further modernization of Sozin's Prosperity Programs, a wide-ranging package of welfare programs that sought to provide for the health and well-being of the Fire Nation and its people. In recent years, these programs have failed to keep up with modern issues, most notably the labor laws and the national apothecaries. The first is not well fit for the modern needs and risks of the workplace, while the second has failed to integrate modern medicine into treatments. This is a broadly popular position, though one that has the potential to be both expensive and step on toes.
[X] family code reform, where she's taken the controversial position of arguing for the reform of the family code set out by Sozin a century ago. The family code lays down standardized national laws around marriage, divorce, abuse, adoption, and inheritance. The code notably restricts divorce, mandates single-child inheritance, restricts domestic abuse, and bans homosexuality. While it has since come to be lauded by some as a defense of the family, there is a quiet movement for its form; supporting such openly would be controversial, but has the potential to be a somewhat popular move should it succeed.
[X] Usagi Morishita
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It helps that a goodly portion of the Earth Kingdom did get fireblasted pretty heavily for like, a long time, steadily and surely wrecking their everything, and though it was stopped pretty quickly the Phoenix King did get some heavy duty blasting over the landscape as well, plus Ba Sing Se getting itself getting slapped a bit. Not to mention effectively turning the South Pole into a bender-less rump state, and effectively wiping out the entire Air Nomad people save for a single survivor(?).
It's easy to be on top when you've reduced most of the rest to ashes. Geo-politically, North Pole's grand, but they've got their own issues as well, even with all their benders present.
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jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Considering the other nations, that's not the highest bar to pass.
If we use the Northern Water tribe as the basis of their capabilities, they're fantasy Eskimos living on ice and (maybe) tundra where the primary resources are bone, ice, hides and potentially stone. Sure they appeared comparatively well off but there are some inherent limits when it comes to advancement and expansion as a result.
Meanwhile the Earth Kingdom has a ton of land and resources but appears to be conservative as **** and uninterested in change or improvement on anything but the slowest of scales.
As for the Air Nomads? Even at their 'height' by all indications they weren't even at pre-Sozin FN capabilities in anything.
Also as an aside, I'd always felt that the Nomads had done something to really torque off the Fire Nation as a whole in the past. Sozin realistically wouldn't have been able to reach all four Temples in one day considering the travel times involved. So there had to be multiple armies involved and apparently all of them were happy to charcoal every single bison and person anywhere and everywhere. Even taking extensive losses as shown in the Southern Temple
That either needs insane levels of loyalty/devotion to your ruler's orders or a seething Dawi-grude-grade hatred of the people you're going against.
From a look, the Southern WT was actually a comparatively young offshout from the Northern Tribe and had various issues long before the FN ever came into the picture.
If I recall Sozin's sister as air-weeb and cause a lot of troubles
While your analysis of the capacities of all the nations is largely correct, I have two things I would like to add.
On the Air Nomads, I don't think they actually did anything to the Fire Nation to warrant the genocide against them. The Jewish people didn't actually need to do anything to Germany for the Nazis to justify their extermination, after all; by that point in Sozin's reign, he had decades to stoke enough hypernationalist paranoia to where even a minor slight (like being next in line for the Avatar) could be used as justification to murder thousands of innocents.
On the Southern Water Tribe, while it has been historically poorer than its northern counterpart, the Fire Nation served to grow that gap massively, as seen when the good-sized town from Hama's day had been reduced to a few tents and igloos by the start of the show.
- Location
- The Endless Abyss of Middle America
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Unfortunately, getting most of the soldiers to execute on at least some of those orders probably isn't as difficult as you're imagining. Not after a good period of nationalistic indoctrination. Plenty of 'normal' fellows in the Wehrmacht after all. The abnormal part is how thorough the 'work' was. You'd expect at least a few survivors somewhere, its not as if they didn't have places to escape too.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Along with the ability to you know, fly.
I mean considering what Aang ultimately did, it was a reasonable fear. It's also no doubt why the Southern Tribe was targeted. They were presumably next in the cycle after Air so needed to be dealt with in case he had gotten everyone. Helped that they were a softer target than the Northern tribe.
- Location
- The internet
Its an odd thing, but not particularly uncommon in fictional works. What's odder is that nobody seems to have settled the ex-nomad territory. You'd expect the Fire Nation to have taken one look at that and grabbed it.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
The reason the Fire Nation committed genocide was with the intent of stopping the Avatar cycle or at least delaying it an extra generation in order to secure their gains as part of their mass-murderous, genocidal, only "proto" fascist on a technicality regime. Because obviously otherwise the Avatar would try to stop them because they are evil monsters who deserve to be stopped.
Honestly when we talk about the Fire Nation having gone wrong for a century, we're frankly kinda understating it by the better part of a century.
Sozin also started another near-genocide, now that I'm looking up the timeline, with the "Dragon Hunts" though apparently it was only during the war itself that these actually wound up killing most of the dragons.
Honestly when we talk about the Fire Nation having gone wrong for a century, we're frankly kinda understating it by the better part of a century.
Sozin also started another near-genocide, now that I'm looking up the timeline, with the "Dragon Hunts" though apparently it was only during the war itself that these actually wound up killing most of the dragons.
[X] a wiry woman of middle age, possessing a scholar's frame much similar to his; that wasn't much of a surprise given her role as a Scholar-Bureaucrat in Yu Dao, though he found some satisfaction in the idea that intellectuals might once more find influence in the court, even if they were Colonial. His office had dealt with her in the past, her authority over commerce in Yu Dao having made her a necessary contact for the construction of the air fleet, and the things he'd heard were good for the most part. She had little fear of the new but was not an iconoclast or radical; he was told that the mercantilist faction had fostered a healthy partnership with her over the years, in large part due to her influence over colonial commerce. [Tactful, Diligent, Scholar-Bureaucrat, Mercantilist Inclination. Mid 40s]
[X] public benefit reform, where she'd advocated for the further modernization of Sozin's Prosperity Programs, a wide-ranging package of welfare programs that sought to provide for the health and well-being of the Fire Nation and its people. In recent years, these programs have failed to keep up with modern issues, most notably the labor laws and the national apothecaries. The first is not well fit for the modern needs and risks of the workplace, while the second has failed to integrate modern medicine into treatments. This is a broadly popular position, though one that has the potential to be both expensive and step on toes.
[X] public benefit reform, where she'd advocated for the further modernization of Sozin's Prosperity Programs, a wide-ranging package of welfare programs that sought to provide for the health and well-being of the Fire Nation and its people. In recent years, these programs have failed to keep up with modern issues, most notably the labor laws and the national apothecaries. The first is not well fit for the modern needs and risks of the workplace, while the second has failed to integrate modern medicine into treatments. This is a broadly popular position, though one that has the potential to be both expensive and step on toes.
pitl
lingering spirit
- Location
- three days leeward
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] a wiry woman of middle age, possessing a scholar's frame much similar to his; that wasn't much of a surprise given her role as a Scholar-Bureaucrat in Yu Dao, though he found some satisfaction in the idea that intellectuals might once more find influence in the court, even if they were Colonial. His office had dealt with her in the past, her authority over commerce in Yu Dao having made her a necessary contact for the construction of the air fleet, and the things he'd heard were good for the most part. She had little fear of the new but was not an iconoclast or radical; he was told that the mercantilist faction had fostered a healthy partnership with her over the years, in large part due to her influence over colonial commerce. [Tactful, Diligent, Scholar-Bureaucrat, Mercantilist Inclination. Mid 40s]
[X] public benefit reform, where she'd advocated for the further modernization of Sozin's Prosperity Programs, a wide-ranging package of welfare programs that sought to provide for the health and well-being of the Fire Nation and its people. In recent years, these programs have failed to keep up with modern issues, most notably the labor laws and the national apothecaries. The first is not well fit for the modern needs and risks of the workplace, while the second has failed to integrate modern medicine into treatments. This is a broadly popular position, though one that has the potential to be both expensive and step on toes.
[X] public benefit reform, where she'd advocated for the further modernization of Sozin's Prosperity Programs, a wide-ranging package of welfare programs that sought to provide for the health and well-being of the Fire Nation and its people. In recent years, these programs have failed to keep up with modern issues, most notably the labor laws and the national apothecaries. The first is not well fit for the modern needs and risks of the workplace, while the second has failed to integrate modern medicine into treatments. This is a broadly popular position, though one that has the potential to be both expensive and step on toes.
[X] a beautiful young woman, clad in the disconcertingly foreign garb so favored by the socialites and debutantes of the Colonies, though such was not a surprise given the fact that she stood foremost among them. While holding no official title, she was a sufficiently Popular Debutante to have attracted attention even within the home isles, an unusual feat for one so disadvantaged by the nature of their lineage. That alone was not sufficient to warrant her for this position, however; the fact that she'd carried modernist politics to the colonies was far more relevant to their reasons for meeting here tonight. The salons, reading groups, and rallies that she'd played a role in were… numerous, to say the least, and extended to those within the Fire Nation proper, where she was apparently seen as a prime exemplar of their goals. [Eloquent, Passionate, Popular Debutante, Modernist Inclination, Mid 30s]
[X] family code reform, where she's taken the controversial position of arguing for the reform of the family code set out by Sozin a century ago. The family code lays down standardized national laws around marriage, divorce, abuse, adoption, and inheritance. The code notably restricts divorce, mandates single-child inheritance, restricts domestic abuse, and bans homosexuality. While it has since come to be lauded by some as a defense of the family, there is a quiet movement for its form; supporting such openly would be controversial, but has the potential to be a somewhat popular move should it succeed.
[X] Namiko Morishita
[X] family code reform, where she's taken the controversial position of arguing for the reform of the family code set out by Sozin a century ago. The family code lays down standardized national laws around marriage, divorce, abuse, adoption, and inheritance. The code notably restricts divorce, mandates single-child inheritance, restricts domestic abuse, and bans homosexuality. While it has since come to be lauded by some as a defense of the family, there is a quiet movement for its form; supporting such openly would be controversial, but has the potential to be a somewhat popular move should it succeed.
[X] Namiko Morishita
Avatar is unfortunately one of those relatively shallow setting where the worldbuilding doesn't extend much beyond the immediate plot. As soon as you start questioning how and why the canon situation came about you basically need to start making things up wholesale.
The Fire Nation destroyed the Air Nomads because they are 'the bad guys'. They somehow succeeded in wiping out a globe-spanning civilisation of flying nomads because Aang is 'the last airbender'. They then proceeded to take a century to only partially conquer the Earth Kingdom because the opening narration says the war has lasted and hundred years.
They wiped out the 'globe-spanning civilization' by attacking the four points where their culture gathered and was centered, and then attacked and destroyed the animals upon which they were dependent. Suffering 90% losses as well as losing the sky bison doesn't leave you a lot of room to recover if you're one of the few remaining airbenders. When nomads lose the lands they are dependent on, nomads cease to be a factor rather rapidly. When the animals they use to travel are dead they aren't globe-spanning.
- Location
- Watchung,New Jersey
And on the Earth Kingdom Point: This is something not well shown in the show, but the Earth Kingdom is both a very large place, and full of people who resolutely do not want to be conquered. They are at a serious disadvantage to the Fire Nation, which is why they can never really push them back but by god, they can make them sweat blood for each and every conquest. It also helps that FN rule is an excellent device to install some back bone in defenders, given just how proudly brutal and discrimnatory they are.
- Pronouns
- Reader
We all remember how Zuko lost his bending because of motivation and spiritual issues, right? Now, apply the genocide of the airbenders to the mindset and ability to function of any surviving air nomad, without the avatar spirit to force there bending like Ange has. I doubt many air nomad were in a state to keep being air nomads after the fire nation attacked.
- Location
- Watchung,New Jersey
Yeah...Until Korra shot this line of reasoning in the Head, with how any ordinary person could theoretically gain Air Bending abilities, not just Monks who dedicated their lives to getting in the right mindset.
- Pronouns
- Reader
No, Korra had a once in ten thousand year convergence between the spiritual and physical worlds restore balance to the elemental system by having a few hundred or so people who already had the right mindset gain air bending. It's certainly not dependent on being monks or a life of dedication to air nomad traditions, but neither was it just something that could happen all on it's own.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Honestly every time the setting swerved towards "No actually bending is genetic" it was stupid and bad.
If those people had the right mindset and that's what matters, then they or their children if you imagine it's kinda a birth 'yes or no' switch or something should just... be Airbenders if they're not any other kind of Bender?
If those people had the right mindset and that's what matters, then they or their children if you imagine it's kinda a birth 'yes or no' switch or something should just... be Airbenders if they're not any other kind of Bender?
[X] a beautiful young woman, clad in the disconcertingly foreign garb so favored by the socialites and debutantes of the Colonies, though such was not a surprise given the fact that she stood foremost among them. While holding no official title, she was a sufficiently Popular Debutante to have attracted attention even within the home isles, an unusual feat for one so disadvantaged by the nature of their lineage. That alone was not sufficient to warrant her for this position, however; the fact that she'd carried modernist politics to the colonies was far more relevant to their reasons for meeting here tonight. The salons, reading groups, and rallies that she'd played a role in were… numerous, to say the least, and extended to those within the Fire Nation proper, where she was apparently seen as a prime exemplar of their goals. [Eloquent, Passionate, Popular Debutante, Modernist Inclination, Mid 30s]
[X] bending revitalization, a movement across both the home isles and the colonies that sought to maintain and restore the knowledge of the traditional forms of fire bending, both those of a ritual and cultural nature. Fire dancing, calligraphy, and sky shows were all major features of the movement's efforts, all of which are arts that were significantly deemphasized in the national academies which have since begun to focus primarily on the combat applications of firebending. This is respected among the traditionalists, though lacks broader appeal outside of those who yearn for the largely lost arts of the Fire Nation's past.
[X] bending revitalization, a movement across both the home isles and the colonies that sought to maintain and restore the knowledge of the traditional forms of fire bending, both those of a ritual and cultural nature. Fire dancing, calligraphy, and sky shows were all major features of the movement's efforts, all of which are arts that were significantly deemphasized in the national academies which have since begun to focus primarily on the combat applications of firebending. This is respected among the traditionalists, though lacks broader appeal outside of those who yearn for the largely lost arts of the Fire Nation's past.
Another advantage of the Popular Debutante is that it's a set of skills that Zuko doesn't have. Zuko has some military chops, Zuko can infiltrate, and Uncle Iroh of course is both a former commander and a member of a secret society. But Zuko is awkward and taciturn, and while Iroh is pleasant enough, he is not exactly the kind of person to give speeches.
- Location
- alphen aan den rijn
[X] a beautiful young woman, clad in the disconcertingly foreign garb so favored by the socialites and debutantes of the Colonies, though such was not a surprise given the fact that she stood foremost among them. While holding no official title, she was a sufficiently Popular Debutante to have attracted attention even within the home isles, an unusual feat for one so disadvantaged by the nature of their lineage. That alone was not sufficient to warrant her for this position, however; the fact that she'd carried modernist politics to the colonies was far more relevant to their reasons for meeting here tonight. The salons, reading groups, and rallies that she'd played a role in were… numerous, to say the least, and extended to those within the Fire Nation proper, where she was apparently seen as a prime exemplar of their goals. [Eloquent, Passionate, Popular Debutante, Modernist Inclination, Mid 30s]
Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
- Location
- Coleraine
Don't you mean Qin?