Oshha said:

If you join the Tau Empire, they will mandate worship of the God-Emperor for humans as part of the deal with the Astartes through the worst excesses of the Ecclesiarchy will be culled.

They will be more wary due to being informed on the Imperium's capabilities, but at the same time, they are still very optimistic, especially with their successes in the Asgardia Sector. They will be more cautious about intruding on Imperial space, but their expansionism won't be put on hold or held back. If anything, the greater successes of the Tau Empire will result in more rapid expansion on their part as they try to snowball. If you want to try and get them to hold back, you will need some way to influence their highest leadership like, say, a Supreme Commander who is a Storm Avenger.

They will.

Nope. There is heresy and then there is heresy. It is one to reject the corruption and stagnation of the Imperium, it is another to deny the divinity of the God-Emperor.

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Makes sense, the Chapter's fully into the "Emps is a God" after all, to them the big problem was the flawed and corrupt people running the system, not the idea of his divinity.

And that tracks too, the Sphere Expansions were always about enormous military build ups to let them have snow-ball expansions, in big waves. Having such an enormous success in the sector would give them more resources, intel, and increase morale on the effectiveness of spreading The Greater Good

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is part of the Greater Good Coaltion/Tau'va Shan'al with Torvald Thunderson as its Supreme Commander.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

It seems for now that ally with the Tau is leading by a good margin which I'm ok but sad that we can't be the Supreme commander.

Though wondering what setup we are gonna do cause we do have imperium secundus to go off on so osmadiel is pretty much gonna take the position of fleet marshal and overall commander of the armies alongside the valkyries and we get the job of roboute in logistics and stewardship maybe shared with ovald so they can do things and any ideas for what the iron sentinels could do.

So where would the capital for this new asgardia would be vanaheim could work I guess as the meeting place as it's pretty much macragge in the sense of the place where most things are.

So any more thoughts on the matter of the triumvirate.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is part of the Greater Good Coaltion/Tau'va Shan'al with Torvald Thunderson as its Supreme Commander.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is part of the Greater Good Coaltion/Tau'va Shan'al with Torvald Thunderson as its Supreme Commander.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

I don't really see why we can't be a part of their Empire, like they are the sanest beings in this part of the Milk Way, and their treatment of human beings is basically 1000x times better than the best Imperium world, and with us there we can always curb their worst too.

Watcher's Eyes said:

It seems for now that ally with the Tau is leading by a good margin which I'm ok but sad that we can't be the Supreme commander.

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I would normally agree with you, but there are two big problems we had that completely prevented this from happening. Although those results were from Nat 1s, but are still serious.

1. The Sector Lord is dead so our biggest supporter is gone. Even if we installed a puppet, it probably would lead to infighting.
2. All the Forge Worlds are fighting each other after what should have been a great victory and it tanked our production capabilities.

If we didn't have either of those big issues, I would take the other option. But our chapter isn't in any political position to do anything about it. The Tau aren't prone to such infighting so our progress could be more consistent. Getting a good first impression can also put us in a good position politically. Especially since we are a renegade faction along with the old-school Black Templar, the Iron Sentinels have also been given constant shit and probably will be killed by the Imperium for allowing such 'Heresy' to go on for so long.

Being a Supreme Commander in our current position could mean we are nothing more than a puppet for the bigger factions. Once we have time to build up more, then I could see a Storm Avenger becoming a Supreme Commander or allies that can deal with Tau politics. Our words wouldn't carry much weight for now and could be detrimental for our human allies.

Especially since we have so many new planets to uplift and military development for the inevitable shitshow with the Imperium when they arrive for revenge. I look forward to making new armies with Tau tech and building entire Chapters worth of Space Marines. That stuff will make us monsters in battle in due time.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.

SlyOverlord said:

Being a Supreme Commander in our current position could mean we are nothing more than a puppet for the bigger factions. Once we have time to build up more, then I could see a Storm Avenger becoming a Supreme Commander or allies that can deal with Tau politics. Our words wouldn't carry much weight for now and could be detrimental for our human allies.

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For the record, this is completely untrue. The Storm Avengers are a power in their own right and are military superior to the Tau Empire in every way except in quanity. The Storm Avengers aren't a small fish in the ocean, they are a big fish in the pond. Furthermore, the average Tau lifespan is forty years while Torvald is four and half centuries old. Even with life extension technologies, Torvald is older than any living Tau and the senior leadership of the Storm Avengers is either as old or older than the most ancient Tau Ethearal. Furthermore, the Tau have seen the Storm Avengers in action and know just how badly you outclass them, especially in the void.

Additionally, Torvald knows how to play politics. He has survived the Imperium for centuries, including over two centuries as Chapter Master who ran their chapter homeworld. He is a veteran administrator and politician who can keep up with the best of the Tau and run circles around anyone lesser. Him being Supreme Commander wouldn't make Torvald a puppet, it would make him very influential and it would just a single century before he has no peers within the Tau leadership simply due to generational turnover. At the point, his say in military matters would be basically unquestioned except by radical upstarts and his fellow Astartes.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

To be clear, if you join the Tau Empire, you won't lacking puppets for their superior might, you'll have so much influence that you'll be dictating policy.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is part of the Greater Good Coaltion/Tau'va Shan'al with Torvald Thunderson as its Supreme Commander.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

Torvald wouldn't be a puppet for the Tau Empire, the Tau Empire would be Torvalds puppet.

[X]The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X]The Asgardia Sector is still ruled by the Reximus dynasty.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is part of the Greater Good Coaltion/Tau'va Shan'al with Torvald Thunderson as its Supreme Commander.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

SlyOverlord said:

1. The Sector Lord is dead so our biggest supporter is gone. Even if we installed a puppet, it probably would lead to infighting.
2. All the Forge Worlds are fighting each other after what should have been a great victory and it tanked our production capabilities.

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You say that like this doesn't make it even more appealing to join the Tau. There's a massive vacuum in leadership and the primary industrial worlds is tearing itself apart, and in comes this polity that seems pretty damn decent and able to fill in all the holes left.

Of the power brokers here, of the 7 Reximus claimants, 4 of which actively want to join the Tau, 1 is a puppet of another power broker, the Valkyries, who are ok with joining the Tau, and the other 2 are too damn bigoted and fanatical for us to do anything other than kill them anyways.

We just don't know about the Order of the Sacred Storm and the Forge Worlds, but I have a feeling Loki would be ok with it, especially if they can openly do as much (reasonable) R&D as they want, and the others would have to contend with if they don't also fall in line, they're gonna get ganged up by the rest of the Sector and the Tau.

So really, while those two Nat 1s were pretty bad for us, they also created the perfect conditions for us to outright join the Tau if we wanted to.

Not to mention we know that if we do join, they're offering to make our Chapter Master the Supreme Commander of their entire military and allow the Asgardia Sector to be ran by us, which is similar in size to the entire Tau Empire. This isn't making us a Puppet, this is making us a major pillar of the whole Tau Empire. This is the best deal we could possibly get being handed to us on a silver platter

RandomTechPriest said:

Torvald wouldn't be a puppet for the Tau Empire, the Tau Empire would be Torvalds puppet.

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I wouldn't go as far as that, too zero-sum for what would happen. It would be more like we would become apart of the Tau's government, but we'd be doing so with a LOT of cards in our deck and the ability to flip the table and obliterate every player in the game if we decide we don't want to play the game anymore.

Officially we would be subordinate to the Ethereal Council, but that only goes so far as we allow it and have the power to tell them to fuck off and everyone knows it.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is allied with the Tau Empire.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

[X] The Asgardia Sector is part of the Greater Good Coaltion/Tau'va Shan'al with Torvald Thunderson as its Supreme Commander.
[X] A triumvirate of the Storm Avengers, Iron Sentinels and Knights of Caliban rule over the Asgardia Sector.

Fine. but only because BigbadBob convinced me it will let me see Gard Industrialize quicker.

The quicker we do that, the more we can build.

the more we can build, the quicker we can go kick idiots faces in.