Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
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Which reminds me, the Procreation mutation is next.
It would probably make sense to have a standard 'character sheet' for our regular and super marines somewhere; so we can know what they can do.
And I'd prefer to phrase it as 'allow our marines to experience the full gamut of the human experience, including siring children and raising a family'.
Oh yeah, IC that is what it would look like, point being the Emperor would still hate it to the bottom of whatever he uses for a heart.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
I am basing the options as Ultramarine Legion in compliance and Thousand Sons in rejection.
And Magnus WAS censured, along with his sons and was opposed by Russ AND Morty.
It also was not just them but many in the Imperium who clamboured to have Magnus censured.
Be warned, stable genetics and mythos do not play well with Mutations.
So does the winning plan two updates ago work or not?
I thought back when we were talking about what option to go for with Dharok it was only a problem for people with an awakened mythos. A regular space marine like the other option was could have mutations (and learn Enuncia).
The geneseed being immutable doesn't mean the space marine the geneseed is inside is immutable.
That was the downside of trying to make him a super-marine (even though we succeeded even harder and made him a demigod rather than merely a marine with an awakened mythos). The upside of the awakened mythos was being able to learn CMA resonant with their Primarch.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
More in the update when it comes to it. I want to save the explination for that.
That is fair for warp magic, but for literally no other part of the Codex though. We could decide our companies are made up of 37, 71 and 99 marines as decided by lot and no one would care. It would be inefficient, but there would be no reasons for the other legions to inherently care.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
The codex was primarily for.....exotic tactics. Warp use, archeotech, sorcery, AI etc. Not for how you organize.
I mean, you are adapting them for Legions and not Chapters. So it is expected to have deviances. This is for the more fantastical elements and if you use them as primary tactic or as a suppliment.
[X] Moderate Deviations from the Codex
As a note for the future, we should teach our super marines Enuncia. It probably synergises well with Exalted Sorcery Workings.
If they ever awaken their Mythos then they could no longer use it, but being able to use CMA probably makes that worth it.
If it doesn't work for the first few presumably we'll be able to switch to something else for the others?
If they ever awaken their Mythos then they could no longer use it, but being able to use CMA probably makes that worth it.
If it doesn't work for the first few presumably we'll be able to switch to something else for the others?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
You will definitely have a choice. Rest assured, but I do not want to say if it will work or not. Sorry, it is spoilers so i cant say till the update.
Fair enough but for the other stuff... the Codex was built by Guilliman, a strategist primarch with an unreasonable talent for anticipating situations and building contingencies into the thing. It is not primarily or even secondarily concerned magic, it is a manual of logistics, strategy and tactics which if applied would have the ultramarines do a double take, because these are their tactics (stolen from the future). The Codex was also built in the aftermath of the Heresy to make marines dependent on other branches of the Imperial military in order to avoid a second Heresy so those same Ultramarines would look at us funny for the obvious flaws (which were put there for political reasons).
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[X] Significant Deviations from the Codex
[X] Moderate Deviations from the Codex
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Agreed. You are adapting them for a Legion but yes. Which is shy you are being given a sliding scale.
All options have advantages and disadvantages. They are narrative but they are there.
I think we should choose significant over moderate simply because we have not even met the Imperium, we do not know what parts of the thing are going to offend and we do not know who they would offend. We should not tie our hands behind our back blind when we do not know the players, much less understand the politics. IC we just vaguely know the Imperium does not like magic.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
You are granting mutations to the 1000 marines. So when you hit that you will find out how mythos and stable genetics work.
No, we especially cannot do it since we have stable genetics but really we would have to rebuild geneseed from the ground up to allow it to work with woman and while Sorcery might allow that, I do not think it is worth the AP.... and the questions as to how we did it.
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We can increase intake of recruits further. Plus Emperor's work is extraordinary but i am wondering can we not with enough knowledge and Ritual not increase marines capabilities further. I am thinking a mix of custode and Grey knight procedures.
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[X] Significant Deviations from the Codex
I thought the general plan was "fuck around and find out" ? Like, we're trying to be better than the crippled fascist mess the imperium is, not feed our enemies our space marine children in bite sized chunks right?
Like, looking at it, the codex is a great control method for your geneforged warrior caste, and pretty good as a how two guide of small formation campaign prosecution, but it has absolutely zero use in a combined arms approach to warfare nor does it really have anything on the dangers and uses that literally every one of our citizens knows exist in the warp? To say nothing of the fact that I'm 100% certain Lorgar and Fan would never go in for the hypno indoctrination that the codex kind of assumes was used while making the marines? I'm especially worried about how the codex was basically meant to cripple the legion's ability to use naval assets as more than floating bases and planetary assault craft.
Edit: As much as I would love our version of geneforged super soldier's weren't copied of the design of a misogynistic caveman, it would honestly be less effort and worth more in the long run if we just designed our own warrior upgrades from the ground up than try to make female space marines specifically.
I thought the general plan was "fuck around and find out" ? Like, we're trying to be better than the crippled fascist mess the imperium is, not feed our enemies our space marine children in bite sized chunks right?
Like, looking at it, the codex is a great control method for your geneforged warrior caste, and pretty good as a how two guide of small formation campaign prosecution, but it has absolutely zero use in a combined arms approach to warfare nor does it really have anything on the dangers and uses that literally every one of our citizens knows exist in the warp? To say nothing of the fact that I'm 100% certain Lorgar and Fan would never go in for the hypno indoctrination that the codex kind of assumes was used while making the marines? I'm especially worried about how the codex was basically meant to cripple the legion's ability to use naval assets as more than floating bases and planetary assault craft.
Edit: As much as I would love our version of geneforged super soldier's weren't copied of the design of a misogynistic caveman, it would honestly be less effort and worth more in the long run if we just designed our own warrior upgrades from the ground up than try to make female space marines specifically.
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[X] Significant Deviations from the Codex
One might prefer to be completely free-form with utter rejection of the Codex, but one supposes that the Codex, even in this context, might have some benefits. Significant deviation it is, then.
One might prefer to be completely free-form with utter rejection of the Codex, but one supposes that the Codex, even in this context, might have some benefits. Significant deviation it is, then.