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Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)

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[X] One Thousand Space Marines of the Imperial Heralds.
- [X] Immunity - everything but Lorgar (16 points)
- [X] True Faith (7 points)
- [X] Sorcery (5 points)
- [X] Iron Will (3 points)
- [X] Mana Storage (? points, assumed 5)
- [X] Flow of Ki (3 points)
- [X] Force of Spirit (2 points)
- [X] Strength of Psyche (2 points)
- [X] If Mana Storage is 4 points, Concentration, if Mana Storage is 3 points, Code of Honour, if Mana Storage is 2 points, both.

We can make space marines later.
 
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I'm sorry, swirling vortex with a vaguely Egyptian theme?

Is Settra using a fucking Stargate to commune with the Nehekaran Pantheon?
 
[X] One Thousand Space Marines of the Imperial Heralds.
- [X] True Faith (7 points)
- [X] Sorcery (5 points)
- [X] Iron Will (3 points)
- [X] Mana Storage (? points, assumed 5)
- [X] Flow of Ki (3 points)
- [X] Force of Spirit (2 points)
- [X] Strength of Psyche (2 points)
- [X] If Mana Storage is 4 points, Concentration, if Mana Storage is 3 points, Code of Honour, if Mana Storage is 2 points, both.
 
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[ ] One Thousand Space Marines of the Imperial Heralds.

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[X] Alratan
 
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We already have Settra and three heroic constructs. One more or less shouldn't make a major difference.

However, we have a planet to conquer from Chaos after this. A chapter of augmented space marines would make a huge difference.

[x] One Thousand Space Marines of the Imperial Heralds.

Mostlyblue said:
We can make space marines later.
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I don't believe we can make actual space marines later, just things that pretend to be them. This is a really big opportunity.
 
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Alratan said:
We already have Settra and three heroic constructs. One more or less shouldn't make a major difference.

However, we have a planet to conquer from Chaos after this. A chapter of augmented space marines would make a huge difference.

[x] One Thousand Space Marines of the Imperial Heralds.


I don't believe we can make actual space marines later, just things that pretend to be them. This is a really big opportunity.
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Space marines are only a good idea if we think we can take the Mask with less than ideal force composition and that our weakest unit (the copy-Marines) will survive the battle. I do not think that is likely outside of very good rolls. I also do not want to deal with the cultural issues that would come with attempting to integrate marines which were never human into the Legion. It is a mid turn gain for short term and long term pain
 
Alratan said:
I don't believe we can make actual space marines later, just things that pretend to be them. This is a really big opportunity.
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Corax's expression softened, a rare moment of approval crossing his features. "You have passed the final test, Lorgar. With this answer, I grant you the basic knowledge of how to make Space Marine and the foundational understanding of how to Awaken."
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We can already make them, and if we need be we already have a working example with Dharok, and a savant Genetor in Thalassa.
 
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Space marines are only a good idea if we think we can take the Mask with less than ideal force composition and that our weakest unit (the copy-Marines) will survive the battle. I do not think that is likely outside of very good rolls. I also do not want to deal with the cultural issues that would come with attempting to integrate marines which were never human into the Legion. It is a mid turn gain for short term and long term pain
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We thought we could defeat the Shard of Winter's forces with just the Circle; and while hard it was apparently possible. We've now added Settra and his army. The presence of absence of one extra construct makes a marginal difference compared to that.

And the marines should be staying out of melee. They have ranged weapons and can use those to shoot the enemy.

The other big deal is that Settra won't split his army. The Space Marines aren't part of his army, so we can send them with Thalassa. That's a big deal given how Mass Combat works. If he has a large number of chaff deployed at the site of the engines they could tar pit us, but it's much harder to tarpit a chapter of space marines.

When you make someone with Wyld Shaping, they come with a fictional but real to them history. From their perspective they're just regular people/space marines. Unless we make a big deal of it they'll integrate just fine.

Mostlyblue said:
We can already make them, and if we need be we already have a working example with Dharok, and a savant Genetor in Thalassa.
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I meant make them with Wyld-Shaping.
 
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Alratan said:
We thought we could defeat the Shard of Winter's forces with just the Circle; and while hard it was apparently possible. We've now added Settra and his army. The presence of absence of one extra construct makes a marginal difference compared to that.

And the marines should be staying out of melee. They have ranged weapons and can use those to shoot the enemy.

The other big deal is that Settra won't split his army. The Space Marines aren't part of his army, so we can send them with Thalassa. That's a big deal given how Mass Combat works. If he has a large number of chaff deployed at the site of the engines they could tar pit us, but it's much harder to tarpit a chapter of space marines.

When you make someone with Wyld Shaping, they come with a fictional but real to them history. From their perspective they're just regular people/space marines. Unless we make a big deal of it they'll integrate just fine.



I meant make them with Wyld-Shaping.
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That is a very good point about the mass combat rules and army splitting. It would allow us to send say two circle members with Setra undead daemon hunting.

[x] One Thousand Space Marines of the Imperial Heralds.
 
Side note, @Yzarc, I don't know if you've been doing this on your rolls, but I've just read that in M20c True Faith should add to Willpower for Willpower rolls.

Lorgar and Dharok, for example; would be rolling twenty two dice to activate psyker powers.

Are we using that roll here? It makes them amazing psykers (in M20 psychics with True Faith are very strong.

Here's the wording of the Merit:

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Your character has one Faith Trait. This Trait acts as a die of countermagic, and it adds to all Willpower rolls


This continues as the True Faith trait rises.

DragonParadox said:
That is a very good point about the mass combat rules and army splitting. It would allow us to send say two circle members with Setra undead daemon hunting.
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Also, just realised.

True Faith is a 7 point merit.
Sorcerous initiation is a 5 point merit.

The best use of the Chapter isn't as fighters. It's as backing singers.

We know that True Faith can be pooled. We know that you can have rituals with supporting lesser sorcerers. That's what we should do. Give the space marines Code of Honour, for extra willpower dice on Perils rolls, True Faith, and Sorcery. Have half of them support Lorgar with their faith and half form a massive ritual circle with Fan.
 
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[X] One Thousand Space Marines of the Imperial Heralds.
- [X] Immunity - everything but Lorgar (16 points)
- [X] True Faith (7 points)
- [X] Sorcery (5 points)
- [X] Iron Will (3 points)
- [X] Mana Storage (? points, assumed 5)
- [X] Flow of Ki (3 points)
- [X] Force of Spirit (2 points)
- [X] Strength of Psyche (2 points)
- [X] If Mana Storage is 4 points, Concentration, if Mana Storage is 3 points, Code of Honour, if Mana Storage is 2 points, both.

This makes them only need to be granted the psyker mutation to be eligible to awaken their essence.

I rather doubt that Yzarc will let us have invincible space marines, which is why I don't go for the 16 point Immunity merit.

Edit: @Yzarc, I now notice that the Awakened Essence thread mark mentions a 'Mana Storage merit'. How much does that cost? I've assumed 5 points to be safe.
 
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Note, the marines with True Faith is important because one of the points the plan can fail is that Lorgar is going to use his True Faith to resurrect the Worldsoul, which is something that could go very wrong. Having a thousand marines with True Faith supporting him seems like the kind of thing that would help.

We haven't spoken much about that 3rd leg of the plan, but it's something we should consider, as Fan was doubtful about it:

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A silence fell over the group, the crackling of the fire the only sound. Lorgar, who had been staring into the flames, finally spoke, his voice soft but resolute. "I could resurrect the Worldsoul."

You turned to him, shaking your head. "That's impossible, Lorgar. The Worldsoul is ancient, and its essence has been tainted beyond repair. Even if you had the power, it's a monumental task."

Lorgar met your gaze, his eyes filled with a fierce determination you had rarely seen. "It's not about whether it's possible. It's about whether it's necessary. The Worldsoul is the heart of this planet. If we can purify and resurrect it, we can undo the damage and drive out the darkness."

Thalissa frowned, her brow furrowing in thought. "Resurrecting the Worldsoul… It's a noble goal, but how would you even begin to do that?"

Lorgar took a deep breath. "The Worldsoul is tied to the life force of the planet. If I can channel my power through the very essence of this world, I might be able to breathe new life into it. It will require everything I have, and there's no guarantee it will work. But we have to try. The alternative is to watch this world die."

You felt a pang of doubt. "Lorgar, even if you could summon the power needed, the risks are enormous.
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[X] One Thousand Space Marines of the Imperial Heralds.
- [X] Immunity - everything but Lorgar (16 points)
- [X] True Faith (7 points)
- [X] Sorcery (5 points)
- [X] Iron Will (3 points)
- [X] Mana Storage (? points, assumed 5)
- [X] Flow of Ki (3 points)
- [X] Force of Spirit (2 points)
- [X] Strength of Psyche (2 points)
- [X] If Mana Storage is 4 points, Concentration, if Mana Storage is 3 points, Code of Honour, if Mana Storage is 2 points, both.
 
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Can I ask that people vote for the merit plan as well?

Another thought, but one for Yzarc.

Why does Fan need to be the one to fix Ankhaten?

Thalassa is arguably just as good at repairing things as he is.

Instant Diagnosis means she'll be able to detect what's wrong with him and know how to fix him.

Spark of Genius will tell her the best way to do it.

Supernatural Sensitivity means she'll know how the construct's magic works

Hammerspace and Race Against the Clock means she'll be able to perform the large scale construction involved at pace, and Mind Partition allows her to multi-task to work on multiple parts of the repair at once.
 
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