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Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)

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Alratan said:
We have Principle Invoking Onslaught. We should kill him and turn him into a reagent.
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You are being occupied by the ghost army. To put it simply, you cannot disengage as you failed the roll but Dharok can make it as the ghosts realistically cannot stop him. How this works mechanically is that your line of sight is being obscured by the ghosts.
 
Yzarc said:
You are being occupied by the ghost army. To put it simply, you cannot disengage as you failed the roll but Dharok can make it as the ghosts realistically cannot stop him. How this works mechanically is that your line of sight is being obscured by the ghosts.
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Shame, I take it we can't use MHM to fly up to get visibility.
 
[X] Tell Lorgar to kill Kairos. This will invoke the fated death of Kairos at the hands of Lorgar.

Hope it sticks, but I have my doubts.
 
Presumably there's a reason not to have Lorgar kill him. What do people think the downside is?
 
[X] Tell Lorgar to kill Kairos. This will invoke the fated death of Kairos at the hands of Lorgar.


One less exalted daemon that manipulates civilizations to ruin the better.
 
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Hm, is there a particular reason to choose Dharok for the coup de grâce instead of Lorgar? What reason would there be to choose to banish Kairos when the other option would presumably lead to his final death?
 
Tzaphquiel said:
Hm, is there a particular reason to choose Dharok for the coup de grâce instead of Lorgar? What reason would there be to choose to banish Kairos when the other option would presumably lead to his final death?
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Fear that giving true death to an immortal might empower the Neverborn if they're present here?

Some fate based trap that will define Lorgar in an undesirable way if he slays Kairos?

If Lorgar kills him we'll never get the chance to PIO him into a sorcerous reagent?
 
Look, I was completely onto killing him until he revealed himself as a neverborn agent, because Im not sure if this will work for good. But if in both possibilities we have to fight him again I prefer the one in which we might not have to deal with him.

[X] Tell Lorgar to kill Kairos. This will invoke the fated death of Kairos at the hands of Lorgar

Honestly guys the problem here is that this might be the real kairos and that the well of eternity might be a real portal to oblivion.
 
ImBuda said:
Look, I was completely onto killing him until he revealed himself as a neverborn agent, because Im not sure if this will work for good. But if in both possibilities we have to fight him again I prefer the one in which we might not have to deal with him.
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The problem I see is that it's possibly a trap. The Neverborn have manipulated the situation so that if he suffers true death they can hijack his ritual and do something we really don't want with it.

The safest option in the immediate term is to have Dharok kill him and then deal with him later when we're not in the middle of a gambit pileup.

I'm very suspicious of the fact that it's even possible for Lorgar to perma-kill him. Who made this Kairos' fated death? It comes back to the Neverborn.

[X] Tell Dharok to kill Kairos, banishing him back into the Warp instead. This seems too easy, though it may be the effects of the fated death coming into play.
 
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Alratan said:
The problem I see is that it's possibly a trap. The Neverborn have manipulated the situation so that if he suffers true death they can hijack his ritual and do something we really don't want with it.

The safest option in the immediate term is to have Dharok kill him and then deal with him later when we're not in the middle of a gambit pileup.

I'm very suspicious of the fact that it's even possible for Lorgar to perma-kill him. Who made this Kairos' fated death? It comes back to the Neverborn.

[X] Tell Dharok to kill Kairos, banishing him back into the Warp instead. This seems too easy, though it may be the effects of the fated death coming into play.
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Look at the end of the day we cannot double-think ourselves into oblivion (heh), here before us is an obvious enemy, we can take the chance to maybe true kill it or we can leave to cause more trouble later. Not to mention that all of this is because of OOC information that counts on a degree of enemy competence that would be unreasonable in Exalted, from people who are actually competent, not the Neverborn, lumps of barely sentient rage who want to kill everything.

I'm just going to vote to kill the bastard.
 
DragonParadox said:
Look at the end of the day we cannot double-think ourselves into oblivion (heh), here before us is an obvious enemy, we can take the chance to maybe true kill it or we can leave to cause more trouble later. Not to mention that all of this is because of OOC information that counts on a degree of enemy competence that would be unreasonable in Exalted, from people who are actually competent, not the Neverborn, lumps of barely sentient rage who want to kill everything.

I'm just going to vote to kill the bastard.
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Well; someone summoned the ghosts, and Kairos just usurped control of them. We know that there's someone else running a game here IC.

Someone also just did something that made it possible for Kairos to be permanently killed.

We know that IC, and should know how incredibly difficult that is, and how suspicious it is that it's happened.

Someone is orchestrating this, and we've no reason to play along with whatever game they're playing. Fan is a sorcerer, it would make sense for him to consider that this is a way of hijacking the ritual Kairos was working on.
 
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Alratan said:
Well; someone summoned the ghosts, and Kairos just usurped control of them. We know that there's someone else running a game here IC.

Someone also just did something that made it possible for Kairos to be permanently killed.

We know that IC, and should know how incredibly difficult that is, and how suspicious it is that it's happened.

Someone is orchestrating this, and we've no reason to play along with whatever game they're playing. Fan is a sorcerer, it would make sense for him to consider that this is a way of hijacking the ritual Kairos was working on.
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Kairos has as far as we know always been on the side of the ghosts, there is no IC reason to assume that there is some greater power, much less one that would desire Kairos destruction at the hands of Lorgar.
 
DragonParadox said:
Kairos has as far as we know always been on the side of the ghosts, there is no IC reason to assume that there is some greater power, much less one that would desire Kairos destruction at the hands of Lorgar.
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I thought that to, but rereading the last update, I'm not convinced:

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The shockwave of the spell's release rippled across the battlefield, the forces of Chaos reeling from the impact. Kairos staggered, its twin heads screaming in rage and disbelief. The spectral warriors pressed their advantage, their ghostly forms surging forward to exploit the daemon's moment of vulnerability.
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This ends now!" Lorgar declared, raising his weapon for the final blow.

But just as the killing strike was about to land, a sudden, eerie silence fell over the battlefield. The spectral warriors, who had been locked in combat with the forces of Chaos, turned their gaze towards you. A chill ran down your spine as you realized something was amiss. The ghosts, who once ignored you, now seemed to view you as their target.

With an unearthly wail, the ghosts surged forward, their spectral forms closing in on you. Panic flared within you as you realized the sheer number of them. They moved with a singular purpose, their grave goods glowing with an ominous light.

"Dharok, Lorgar, watch out!" you shouted, trying to fend off the encroaching spirits.

Lorgar, sensing the shift in the battle, looked around in confusion. "What is happening?" he called out, his voice tinged with urgency.

Kairos, despite its grievous wounds, laughed maniacally. "You see? Even the dead obey the will of Tzeentch. You cannot stop what has already been set in motion!"
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When we broke the wards it hurt the Chaos forces, not the ghosts. Then, something changed.

And him saying the dead obey Tzeentch suggests that he's still loyal to his god and control switched at that point.

IC someone imposed the fate of True Death on Kairos, and it's very unlikely to be Tzeentch. We know that, so we know someone else wants him to die, and that presumably advances their goals. We don't know what their goals are but we've no reason to believe they're aligned with ours
 
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[X] Tell Lorgar to kill Kairos. This will invoke the fated death of Kairos at the hands of Lorgar.
Hopefully, there is no curse cast on his killer.
 
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