so this is the new aspect? what does it do/relate to?
Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
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The Grox may well not be useful after the Emperor arrives and brings the Iconoclasts with him.
I don't think that matters though. They can accelerate the all important build up phase to get us into a better place for when they do arrive.
I think them having TDC will help with that. Yes, we have fewer at the start, but we should be able to breed them up in numbers much faster as they're easier to feed and water, and that's the main constraint on here size.
[X] Do not call in the debt.
I don't think that matters though. They can accelerate the all important build up phase to get us into a better place for when they do arrive.
I think them having TDC will help with that. Yes, we have fewer at the start, but we should be able to breed them up in numbers much faster as they're easier to feed and water, and that's the main constraint on here size.
[X] Do not call in the debt.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Exactly what it says. It illuminates things like light would.
[] Call in Lorgar's debt and have him and Raheem create Binding rituals.
Food for all!
Plus a leader should delegate, get rid of an unnecessary debt, and less reliance on the mc.
Food for all!
Plus a leader should delegate, get rid of an unnecessary debt, and less reliance on the mc.
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I was thinking about future plans, and how a fair number of the better Endless Deserts charms are Messianic, that is they require/leverage having a Cult.
The problem with that, of course; is that the Emperor isn't a big fan of religion. I think though, that there's a way around it. Members of.a Cult in Exalted don't have to have devotion in the target of their Cult, they mainly need to perform the right rituals with enough enthusiasm, whatever their motivation.
This means that if we set ourselves up as a Great Teacher/Sage, like the Buddha in more philosophical Buddhism or Confucius and the other Sages in the less supernatural forms of reverence for him in traditional Chinese practice we may be able to get a Cult in a way that the Emperor wouldn't care enough about to stamp out.
It should be more innocuous than the Warrior Lodges at least. It's also the kind of thing that could make strong inroads in the Administratun and the rest of the Adeptus Terra if we create the right kind of ideology/philosophy.
Helping us write such a philosophy would be something we could ask Lorgar to do as a debt repayment.
We don't have the charms yet to make supernaturally effective texts, indeed; I don't think there are any canon ones, just home brew ones, so this is probably something to implement later.
It's worth thinking about whether we want to lay the foundations for now though.
In the long run not calling in the debt should produce more food. While we'll have fewer grox on day one those grox and their descendants will have TDC so their numbers should increase much faster over time and there'll be a much bigger potential total population the desert can sustain.
This should reduce dependence on the MC to do things like produce food in desperate times, and allows more effective delegation when it comes to looking after future generations.
We can only do this now while there's a small founder population of Grox, and we'll have a greatly superior end result. In a single grox generation this may pay off in terms of numbers.
The problem with that, of course; is that the Emperor isn't a big fan of religion. I think though, that there's a way around it. Members of.a Cult in Exalted don't have to have devotion in the target of their Cult, they mainly need to perform the right rituals with enough enthusiasm, whatever their motivation.
This means that if we set ourselves up as a Great Teacher/Sage, like the Buddha in more philosophical Buddhism or Confucius and the other Sages in the less supernatural forms of reverence for him in traditional Chinese practice we may be able to get a Cult in a way that the Emperor wouldn't care enough about to stamp out.
It should be more innocuous than the Warrior Lodges at least. It's also the kind of thing that could make strong inroads in the Administratun and the rest of the Adeptus Terra if we create the right kind of ideology/philosophy.
Helping us write such a philosophy would be something we could ask Lorgar to do as a debt repayment.
We don't have the charms yet to make supernaturally effective texts, indeed; I don't think there are any canon ones, just home brew ones, so this is probably something to implement later.
It's worth thinking about whether we want to lay the foundations for now though.
In the long run not calling in the debt should produce more food. While we'll have fewer grox on day one those grox and their descendants will have TDC so their numbers should increase much faster over time and there'll be a much bigger potential total population the desert can sustain.
This should reduce dependence on the MC to do things like produce food in desperate times, and allows more effective delegation when it comes to looking after future generations.
We can only do this now while there's a small founder population of Grox, and we'll have a greatly superior end result. In a single grox generation this may pay off in terms of numbers.
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[X] Call in Lorgar's debt and have him and Raheem create Binding rituals.
Lorgar improves in sorcery, our herd will be larger and we save up on magical reagents. Also due to the binding being shared with the shaman, our tribe will be less dependant on Lorgar and us, which will likely prevent a cliff's edge situation further down the line.
Lorgar improves in sorcery, our herd will be larger and we save up on magical reagents. Also due to the binding being shared with the shaman, our tribe will be less dependant on Lorgar and us, which will likely prevent a cliff's edge situation further down the line.
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[X] Do not call in the debt.
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[X] Do not call in the debt.
There is a certain amount of overlap with the Mechanicus Cult by taking this path. It would be interesting to follow a path towards science as part of the religious journey. With the focus being on understanding the underlying principles and invention compared with the conservatism of the Mechanicus. This would create a nice contrast and support the theme of She Who Lives in Her Name.
In the longer term, it is possible to create a narrative of Fan Morgal ascending to become a spirit for the tribe to worship. So there is a natural tension between the charms supporting a more religious cult structure and the need to emphasize a philosophy of cultivation of the self. Empowering worshipers on a path of self-improvement to follow in Fan Morgal's footsteps.
There is a certain amount of overlap with the Mechanicus Cult by taking this path. It would be interesting to follow a path towards science as part of the religious journey. With the focus being on understanding the underlying principles and invention compared with the conservatism of the Mechanicus. This would create a nice contrast and support the theme of She Who Lives in Her Name.
I'll note that Unshattered Tongue Perfection can affect written texts. Even so, it is true that both Cecelyne and She Who Lives in Her Name support appearing as a godlike figure hearing prayers and issuing instructions directly rather than as a writer of a holy book.
I'd say that while explicitly spiritual institutions are the most obvious way of using Messianic charms, they're not the only ways of using Cults. A Cult, I think, just has to perform rituals to the objects of their 'worship'. That's how the Immaculate order apportions worship towards approved gods in a ritual calendar of festivals and ceremonies. The population give thanks for the service of whatever god the local monk tells them to, and the god benefits from the energy produced.
We'd just need to develop structured forms of debate or scholarship that count as ritual prayers. For example, structure the standard way of writing a scholarly paper or using his teachings as an example with a properly attributed citation to Fan's seminal philosophical works so it functions as prayer to him. Basically, play the role of Confucius within Imperial scholarship and harvest worship from it.
This is fully compatible with a philosophy of cultivation of the self, as long as, for example, we structure it as cultivation of the self inspired by our example as a pioneer of that path.
I dimly remember there being martial arts style that counted as prayer/worship of the inventor, but can't 100% swear that's canon.
We have a VEE enhanced population that means they will understand, and know how the mechanics of reality work. They don't need some voodoo explanation just actual facts.
Turn 1: A decision to be made
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Colchis - 830.M30
As the sun dipped below the horizon, casting a warm glow over the desert sands, you sat in your tent with your son Lorgar and your advisors, celebrating a momentous occasion. Lorgar had just returned from a successful hunt, capturing around thirty Grox, a feat that would ensure your tribe's survival for many years to come. Combined with the recent cleansing of the Oasis, which had restored its purity and abundance, your spirits were high and the mood in the tent was joyous.
Around you, the flickering light of torches illuminated the faces of your advisors. Haraq, with his weathered face and wise eyes, raised a horn of mead in toast to Lorgar's success. Siobhan chanted a blessing for the captured Grox, thanking the spirits for their bounty. Raheem regaled you with tales of ancient heroes and their triumphs.
As the days passed after the transformation of the Oasis, you noticed a change in the demeanor of the tribe. People seemed to move with a newfound energy and purpose, their steps light and eager. They no longer walked the desert sands; they danced upon them, their laughter and songs carried by the wind.
In the light of day, when the sun was at its peak and the heat was most intense, you observed members of the tribe running along the dunes with gusto, their faces turned upwards towards the sky. They seemed invigorated by the power of the Oasis, their spirits lifted by the promise of a brighter future.
You watched as children chased each other through the sands, their laughter echoing across the desert. Elders sat in the shade of tents, their voices raised in song and storytelling.
But all was not well, word of Lorgar's existence began to spread across the desert like wildfire. Tales of his feats and his connection to the Oasis traveled from tribe to tribe, carried by traders, travelers, and storytellers.
Among those who heard these tales were the priests of the Covenant. As whispers of Lorgar reached their ears, they claimed to have received visions of the young man, visions that spoke of his destiny and his role in shaping the future of the desert.
The priests, believing Lorgar to be a chosen one, a figure of great importance, began to move. They sent out emissaries to the tribes, seeking information about Lorgar's whereabouts and his intentions. They spoke of prophecies and omens, claiming that Lorgar was the key to unlocking a new era of prosperity and peace.
But as the night wore on, you cared not as you feasted on roasted Grox meat, the savory aroma filling the tent. Lorgar, his eyes shining with pride, recounted the hunt in vivid detail, describing how he had tracked the beasts for days across the desert, using his keen senses and knowledge of the land to outmaneuver them. He spoke of the thrill of the chase, the adrenaline rush of the kill, and the satisfaction of providing for his tribe.
As the feast continued, you reflected on how far you had come since the dark days of the Oasis's decline. But now, with the Oasis restored to its former glory, it was clear that your efforts had not been in vain.
As the night grew late and the fire burned low, you sat in contented silence, savoring the warmth of the fire and the company of each other. In that moment, surrounded by your son and your advisors, you felt a deep sense of gratitude for the blessings you had received and the strength of your tribe. And as you looked at Lorgar, who had grown from a boy into a man before your eyes, you knew that your tribe's future was bright, guided by the wisdom of the past and the promise of tomorrow.
"We stand on the precipice of greatness," Haraq's voice cut through the air like a blade, his words carrying the weight of centuries. "The Oasis, restored to its former glory, is not just water and life. It is a beacon, a testament to our resilience. We must wield it wisely, use it to unite the tribes under our banner."
Siobhan, her eyes gleaming with a fierce determination, added her voice to the discussion. "The Oasis is more than a mere water source. It is a sacred site, a symbol of the spirits' blessing upon us. If we offer its protection and abundance to other tribes, they will flock to our side."
Raheem, his words filled with a fiery passion, painted a vivid picture of the future. "Imagine the stories we could tell, the legends we could become," he exclaimed. "We could be the tribe that unites the desert, that brings peace and prosperity to all. Our names would be sung by bards for generations to come."
You, ever the voice of reason, spoke up next, your tone calm yet resolute. "We must tread carefully," you cautioned. "We cannot force the tribes to join us. We must earn their trust, show them that we are allies, not conquerors. We must prove that we offer not just protection, but friendship and cooperation."
Lorgar, who had been listening intently, spoke with a newfound resolve. "I will take the lead," he declared, his eyes ablaze with determination. "I will journey to the other tribes, offer them the shelter of the Oasis and the friendship of our tribe. I will show them that we are not a threat, but a beacon of hope in the desert."
But you raised a hand, halting the conversation. "While uniting the tribes is a noble goal, we must not forget the dangers that still lurk in the shadows," you reminded them, your voice a steady anchor in the midst of excitement. "There are threats out there, ancient and powerful. We must remain vigilant, prepared for whatever may come."
"And what of the wound, the place spoken of by the Spirits?" you continued, your gaze piercing. "Perhaps we should seek out the secrets of the Ancients. They were said to possess great knowledge and power. If we could uncover their secrets, we might find a way to heal the wound and safeguard our future."
RESOURCES:
COVENANT ON THE MOVE
The Covenant know about Lorgar and are actively seeking him out. Grow powerful and end the threat of the covenant once and for all.
CHOOSE YOUR FOCUS FOR TURN 2:
[] Seek out the fire of the Ancients and settle the Wound.
[] Unite the Tribes, crown yourself or Lorgar as the Great Chieftain.
NEXT TURN
Next turn is the xp turn where you decide what you want to spend your xp on. Since this vote determines what Turn 2 will be about, I figure that putting this vote here would help you narrow down what Charms you want to purchase next turn.
Charms still need editing and the final list will be available tomorrow.
As the sun dipped below the horizon, casting a warm glow over the desert sands, you sat in your tent with your son Lorgar and your advisors, celebrating a momentous occasion. Lorgar had just returned from a successful hunt, capturing around thirty Grox, a feat that would ensure your tribe's survival for many years to come. Combined with the recent cleansing of the Oasis, which had restored its purity and abundance, your spirits were high and the mood in the tent was joyous.
Around you, the flickering light of torches illuminated the faces of your advisors. Haraq, with his weathered face and wise eyes, raised a horn of mead in toast to Lorgar's success. Siobhan chanted a blessing for the captured Grox, thanking the spirits for their bounty. Raheem regaled you with tales of ancient heroes and their triumphs.
As the days passed after the transformation of the Oasis, you noticed a change in the demeanor of the tribe. People seemed to move with a newfound energy and purpose, their steps light and eager. They no longer walked the desert sands; they danced upon them, their laughter and songs carried by the wind.
In the light of day, when the sun was at its peak and the heat was most intense, you observed members of the tribe running along the dunes with gusto, their faces turned upwards towards the sky. They seemed invigorated by the power of the Oasis, their spirits lifted by the promise of a brighter future.
You watched as children chased each other through the sands, their laughter echoing across the desert. Elders sat in the shade of tents, their voices raised in song and storytelling.
But all was not well, word of Lorgar's existence began to spread across the desert like wildfire. Tales of his feats and his connection to the Oasis traveled from tribe to tribe, carried by traders, travelers, and storytellers.
Among those who heard these tales were the priests of the Covenant. As whispers of Lorgar reached their ears, they claimed to have received visions of the young man, visions that spoke of his destiny and his role in shaping the future of the desert.
The priests, believing Lorgar to be a chosen one, a figure of great importance, began to move. They sent out emissaries to the tribes, seeking information about Lorgar's whereabouts and his intentions. They spoke of prophecies and omens, claiming that Lorgar was the key to unlocking a new era of prosperity and peace.
But as the night wore on, you cared not as you feasted on roasted Grox meat, the savory aroma filling the tent. Lorgar, his eyes shining with pride, recounted the hunt in vivid detail, describing how he had tracked the beasts for days across the desert, using his keen senses and knowledge of the land to outmaneuver them. He spoke of the thrill of the chase, the adrenaline rush of the kill, and the satisfaction of providing for his tribe.
As the feast continued, you reflected on how far you had come since the dark days of the Oasis's decline. But now, with the Oasis restored to its former glory, it was clear that your efforts had not been in vain.
As the night grew late and the fire burned low, you sat in contented silence, savoring the warmth of the fire and the company of each other. In that moment, surrounded by your son and your advisors, you felt a deep sense of gratitude for the blessings you had received and the strength of your tribe. And as you looked at Lorgar, who had grown from a boy into a man before your eyes, you knew that your tribe's future was bright, guided by the wisdom of the past and the promise of tomorrow.
"We stand on the precipice of greatness," Haraq's voice cut through the air like a blade, his words carrying the weight of centuries. "The Oasis, restored to its former glory, is not just water and life. It is a beacon, a testament to our resilience. We must wield it wisely, use it to unite the tribes under our banner."
Siobhan, her eyes gleaming with a fierce determination, added her voice to the discussion. "The Oasis is more than a mere water source. It is a sacred site, a symbol of the spirits' blessing upon us. If we offer its protection and abundance to other tribes, they will flock to our side."
Raheem, his words filled with a fiery passion, painted a vivid picture of the future. "Imagine the stories we could tell, the legends we could become," he exclaimed. "We could be the tribe that unites the desert, that brings peace and prosperity to all. Our names would be sung by bards for generations to come."
You, ever the voice of reason, spoke up next, your tone calm yet resolute. "We must tread carefully," you cautioned. "We cannot force the tribes to join us. We must earn their trust, show them that we are allies, not conquerors. We must prove that we offer not just protection, but friendship and cooperation."
Lorgar, who had been listening intently, spoke with a newfound resolve. "I will take the lead," he declared, his eyes ablaze with determination. "I will journey to the other tribes, offer them the shelter of the Oasis and the friendship of our tribe. I will show them that we are not a threat, but a beacon of hope in the desert."
But you raised a hand, halting the conversation. "While uniting the tribes is a noble goal, we must not forget the dangers that still lurk in the shadows," you reminded them, your voice a steady anchor in the midst of excitement. "There are threats out there, ancient and powerful. We must remain vigilant, prepared for whatever may come."
"And what of the wound, the place spoken of by the Spirits?" you continued, your gaze piercing. "Perhaps we should seek out the secrets of the Ancients. They were said to possess great knowledge and power. If we could uncover their secrets, we might find a way to heal the wound and safeguard our future."
RESOURCES:
- A Magic Oasis protected from Magic. It grants any people who drinks from it, the TDC mutation.
- A size 3 Battlegroup, consisting of almost one hundred people. It has max discipline/training and has a bonus when performing its signature tactics due to TDC.
- Sorcerer auxiliary and Sand bike skirmish units.
- 30 Grox, out of which 15 act as a stealthy Heavy Armor division.
- 3 Adult Ambulls and 6 juveniles, with the Adults acting as stealthy super heavy Armored units and a Dread Ambull, that acts as a Size 1 Battle Group in addition to the normal classification. All Ambulls have the deep strike capability.
- A modern Caravan capable of carrying many goods and large amounts of water.
- Stockpile of food, medicines and water. Enough to last for the initial settlement of the Wound or as a bond for the Tribal challenge.
- Guns and other weapons. Steel Melee weapons.
- A Primarch, Lorgar.
- People with the TDC mutation, reducing the need for food and water while being adapted to the desert.
COVENANT ON THE MOVE
The Covenant know about Lorgar and are actively seeking him out. Grow powerful and end the threat of the covenant once and for all.
CHOOSE YOUR FOCUS FOR TURN 2:
[] Seek out the fire of the Ancients and settle the Wound.
[] Unite the Tribes, crown yourself or Lorgar as the Great Chieftain.
NEXT TURN
Next turn is the xp turn where you decide what you want to spend your xp on. Since this vote determines what Turn 2 will be about, I figure that putting this vote here would help you narrow down what Charms you want to purchase next turn.
Charms still need editing and the final list will be available tomorrow.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Seek out the fire of the Ancients and settle the Wound.
We're not ready to asserting a claim to leadership.
We're not ready to asserting a claim to leadership.
- Location
- Someplace Somewhere
[X] Seek out the fire of the Ancients and settle the Wound.
[x] Seek out the fire of the Ancients and settle the Wound
[X] Seek out the fire of the Ancients and settle the Wound.