While all this is true I do not think Fan Morgal is ever going to stop being a magician, if we do archeology it is going to be with the intercession of the spirits, if we stick hell-tech in him it is going to be hell-tech and if we make him a half-Caste, assuming that can be done... ho boy that is going to be blatantly magical. As far as the Iconoclasts go no changes we make in the future are likely to be as big as the changes we already made IMO.
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While all this is true I do not think Fan Morgal is ever going to stop being a magician, if we do archeology it is going to be with the intercession of the spirits, if we stick hell-tech in him it is going to be hell-tech and if we make him a half-Caste, assuming that can be done... ho boy that is going to be blatantly magical. As far as the Iconoclasts go no changes we make in the future are likely to be as big as the changes we already made IMO.
My main point is that all those things would have a huge impact on the Iconoclasts, because if we can give them to Lorgar we can pass them onto the leadership of Iconoclasts. This is particularly true if Lorgar learns Martial Arts charms, as mortals can enlighten their Essence and teach and learn Terrestrial Martial Art charms without Fan Morgal having to directly intervene further.
A legion of martial artist space marines who can each manifest artifact armour, and artifact weapon and a mount out of thin air would quickly become pretty remarkable.
I think you are right, but even if Fan Morgal is not going to be the one teaching them I do not think Lorgar would be inclined to hide where he learned it from and more to the point Exalted are just generally bad at hiding what they are. The first time he goes Totemic everyone is going to be thinking 'witch' even if they are prepared for it. Then there is the shamanism and and spirit worship stuff. I think we can slip that though in the same way Russ and the Khan did, but to the people whose job it is to smash idols I do not think it will go unnoticed.
Lastly there is that Man of Stone. If we can get it to work we have no idea how the Ad Mech will take it. Maybe they will praise us for being so close to the 'holy machine spirit', maybe they will try to take over, maybe they will pull out the flamers to deal with the heretic, point is there are going to be a lot of points where Fan Morgal is going to have to walk the tightrope.
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The Thousand Sons were significantly more obviously deviant though, and they made it. Amon, Magnus' first tutor was also a sorcerer and and psyker. The Emperor gave them the nod.
The Emperor returned the Phalanx to Rogal Dorn, and that's arguably as valuable.
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Alas, Exalted sorcery spells are malfunctioning, and it is not possible to make Lorgar an Exalted sorcerer. If it were feasible, it would be one's first suggestion.
At the least, one would settle for giving Lorgar full dots in Savant, Occult, and Lore, along with Investigation, Larceny, and Stealth, so that he at least has the same abilities as the Chosen of Jupiter, Maiden of Secrets. For that matter, perhaps do the same for the native Abilities of the Chosen of Saturn, Maiden of Endings, Awareness, Bureaucracy, Medicine, Integrity, and Martial Arts. Speaking of Martial Arts, it would further require enlightening Lorgar so that he can use Essence, along with teaching him Terrestrial Martial Arts, the root of the lotus, if Celestial Martial Arts, the stem of the lotus, are not possible for him.
Hm, Lorgar and his Legion may ultimately become a peculiar hybrid of the Thousand Sons and some of the more technologically savvy and stealthy Legions.
At the least, one would settle for giving Lorgar full dots in Savant, Occult, and Lore, along with Investigation, Larceny, and Stealth, so that he at least has the same abilities as the Chosen of Jupiter, Maiden of Secrets. For that matter, perhaps do the same for the native Abilities of the Chosen of Saturn, Maiden of Endings, Awareness, Bureaucracy, Medicine, Integrity, and Martial Arts. Speaking of Martial Arts, it would further require enlightening Lorgar so that he can use Essence, along with teaching him Terrestrial Martial Arts, the root of the lotus, if Celestial Martial Arts, the stem of the lotus, are not possible for him.
Hm, Lorgar and his Legion may ultimately become a peculiar hybrid of the Thousand Sons and some of the more technologically savvy and stealthy Legions.
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Plus, until we have the numbers or the gear to form proper battle lines, this is basically the method to use less numerous but vastly more skilled warriors in their native terrain against foreign invaders unfamiliar with the area they seek to subjugate.
It's also a good base to lean into Parthian style warfare, which we seem to be leaning towards? Anyways:
[X] Hit-and-Fade Tactics: (Infantry)
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I expect Lorgar will surpass Fan Morgal quite rapidly in all things soon enough. Fan needs 6+ essence to surpass being merely the best a mortal can be in raw stats 10-13 dice. While Lorgar will likely be rocking an dice pool of 20+ baseline just from being a primarch.
Yzarc
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Yes? But it is very much a can I but should I? Question.
What DragonParadox said. The First prioritizes lives, the second prioritizes damaging the enemy.
Also, TDC is a mutation that can breed true if you take the Charm Locust Mana Plague, so that synergizes with Hit and fade tactic, and since Lorgar and his legion has it, the tactic will be used by them for great effect.
Before you ask, TDC will be seen as a slight mutation, natural, but a mutation, but not to the point that the person is considered as an Abhuman race. This would be on the border as TDC the mutation will be like what the Legion has and not an absolute Charm effect, so more that the body being adapted to desert conditions than Perfect Metabolism etc.
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i already voted to use the bikes for flanking maneuvers but can we have flanking mobile fire support and combine both sand bike options?
Yzarc
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Bikes will have guns. This is just Primary tactics.
So you can still use them as Fire support, just not the go to tactic.
Also you can write in options.
too late to change things, pretty sure everyone voted for the same thing already
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I'm 100% certain we'll get better units for fire support rolls later on to be fair.
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Is true. You are working with what you have and once you get heavier vehicles, you get more options.
That said, gthis is the formative tactics, which will shape him from this point onwards.
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True, so far it's looking fairly close to early Parthian style? Light to medium hit and fade infantry plus cavalry flankers, though we're missing the archery… maybe closer to Numidian now that I'm thinking about it
Try it. If a vote is no good, you can get unexpected turnarounds even very late in the cycle. Probability is lower when voter engagement is "I just drop off a vote and fuck off" very low, bad this quest is reasonably ok on that front.
Yzarc
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You have guns in place of archers. The sand bikes do act as a cavalry replacement and also as horse archers, depending on what you choose.
In raw skills yes, but Lorgar will never be able to do the things Exalted charms do... and we do not know what Shintai looks like in this system. Worth keeping in mind that's the Infernal's 'A God Am I' power, the reflection of what they would look like victorious upon the thrones of the Primordials
Yzarc
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Mortarion's going to have fun with that.
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Ah, I didn't really notice guns happening so I wasn't sure.
How do we think the various primarchs are going to react to Fan in Shintai? Let alone once he has a true worldsoul?
Magnus would find in fascinating, Roman boy probably wouldn't have much of an opinion, nail head might like fan a lot if he pics up that charm that helps with cursed natures… idk about the rest though, not really enough of a 40k enthusiast to say?
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Yzarc
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You have limited ammo and no current means of production. So no Active training.