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[X] Intimidate them into submission and bind them to the tribe. But word of Lorgar's existence gets out.
Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
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As to sorcery, is there no option for sorcery as the Exalted understand it, the sort of sorcery that the Exalted use, with the Emerald, Sapphire, and Adamant Circles?
Hm, Lorgar is already beginning to display signs of great potential for rhetoric and oratory as he would have in canon. In Solaroid terms, a Zenith, Midnight, or Malefactor. Given what Fan Morgal is, Lorgar is probably going to become an odd hybrid of the Defiler and Malefactor specialties.
Hm, Lorgar is already beginning to display signs of great potential for rhetoric and oratory as he would have in canon. In Solaroid terms, a Zenith, Midnight, or Malefactor. Given what Fan Morgal is, Lorgar is probably going to become an odd hybrid of the Defiler and Malefactor specialties.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
I have a theory that if we learn our variant of the Enlightening Charm and give them a pool of Essence, that might allow them to draw on that for power rather than the Warp.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
You have it. Others? Not so much. For whatever reason, Workings work as your Past life remembers. But spells? As in Exalted spells? Whenever you try you get the equivalent of a 404 error.
[X] Intimidate them into submission and bind them to the tribe. But word of Lorgar's existence gets out.
Lorgar is if anything a bit too much of a good child by inclination going by canon, we should strive to teach him independence and critical thinking for the long run.
So the Salian Working is screwed, got it. Well on the one hand that makes sense since if that thing was still around there should have been other (sane) sorcerers, but on the other... how do you even break that without breaking Creation itself? I guess we could be in another related universe, but that begs the question of why Workings work?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Workings are basicially reality warping is Fan's understanding. It is what the Primordials used to build Creation.
Spells, by comparison, seem too much like something that was added on later. But this is just what Fan Morgal understands it as.
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[x] Intimidate them into submission and bind them to the tribe. But word of Lorgar's existence gets out.
-[x] Intimidate them into submission by flaring your anima. They are very god fearing people and you can bind them into your tribe, boosting your tribe greatly. Not only do you get a lot of trained professionals, you also get the Caravan completely undamaged, complete with the guns and other weapons. But Lorgar's existence gets out.
We will definitely have to work at teaching all these slaves how to be free, but I think that's worth the declaration Fan and Lorgar exist.
Hmmm… I wonder… technically Fan should be able to advance people to space marine or more levels of power with workings and charms eventually… I wonder how the golden idiot will react to that?
-[x] Intimidate them into submission by flaring your anima. They are very god fearing people and you can bind them into your tribe, boosting your tribe greatly. Not only do you get a lot of trained professionals, you also get the Caravan completely undamaged, complete with the guns and other weapons. But Lorgar's existence gets out.
We will definitely have to work at teaching all these slaves how to be free, but I think that's worth the declaration Fan and Lorgar exist.
Hmmm… I wonder… technically Fan should be able to advance people to space marine or more levels of power with workings and charms eventually… I wonder how the golden idiot will react to that?
Huh... that is interesting. The way I understand it the thing the Primordials did to make Creation was 'just' Wyld Shaping, air quotes there because it was on an unimaginable scale but the principles were the same, make things out of Chaos and then set them up so they are self-perpetuating.
Actually that does raise another question... are workings Thaumaturgy? Or are they the thing that becomes Thaumaturgy? Because if that is the case we might be able to derive something like the lesser arts that mortals can use without tapping the warp. Pre-human civilizations had that on Creation so it's clearely not something that needs the Salian working, thogh Malfeas alone knows how much else has changed about the constants of the universe in all this time so we would have to reinvent it from scratch.
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Well, there are also the Celestial Martial Arts. Alas, the Sidereal Martial Arts styles remain out of reach. Then again, seeing as one usually plays Sidereal Exalted, the Chosen of the Five Maidens, it is also good that the Sidereal Martial Arts will forever be for them alone.
At the least, if Fan Morgal can master various Celestial Martial Arts styles, he will hopefully be able to teach Lorgar. One can also add sublime martial artist to the Mythos of this Lorgar. As for his Legion, if not Celestial Martial Arts, might they be able to at least learn Terrestrial Martial Arts styles?
At the least, if Fan Morgal can master various Celestial Martial Arts styles, he will hopefully be able to teach Lorgar. One can also add sublime martial artist to the Mythos of this Lorgar. As for his Legion, if not Celestial Martial Arts, might they be able to at least learn Terrestrial Martial Arts styles?
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The Blade Will Never Die
Can we learn Empyrean Sorcery to get access to spells, or does being a GSP mean we automatically reject interfacing with the Wyld like that?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Wyld Shaping is way to temporary for that. From what I remember of 2E mechanics, and lore, the Solars used Wyld Shaping to expand creation, only for all of it to dissolve back into the Wyld when maintenance stopped and when the Fey attacked.
Compared to Creation proper, which stayed creation? Add to that how Workings are permanent and can only be reduced, not destroyed and the fact that the Primordials enforced the Primacy of time (Which existed but was not linear), something Workings can do but Wyld Shaping cannot?
Yes, I know that there is that Solar charm that allows you to alter the cosmos but Sorcery does that and arguably does it better than an extremely high essence, poorly defined charm.
So that is my take on it.
You already have access to proper Exalted Sorcery, the circles and what nnot. The thing is that every time you try and cast a spell from any of the circles, you keep getting the equivalent of a 404 Error.
This is something that Fan's past life memories say is supposed to be impossible. Something somewhere has gone really, really wrong.
It's not that the Wyld shaping failed or reconverted it's that creation as a whole is a system meant to keep all of its constituent Parts accounted for and understood so when the usurpation happened the Jade pillars, the fates written and large portions of the land itself had their gods killed their population destroyed and their stability ruined. Then the flood of wyld over the area caused it to dissolve if significant portions of those things hadn't happened then the wyld shaping would still be there. The only areas of creation to my understanding that could avoid that happening in the same circumstance would be the elemental pole of Earth and that's a deep question mark on if that's actually true or not.
To put it another way the primordials went out of their way to both make the Unconquered Sun and Adrian the river of torments (Adorjan) guard their creation and it wasn't because it was completely inviolable.
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Hypothetically, what would need to be done to fix whatever has gone awry with the cosmic system so that spells of the three circles of Exalted sorcery can be cast properly once more?
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
This is fair. But Wyld Shaing still does not touch upon concepts as when making creation, they also did things like fix time and so on. But fair enough on the actual physical parts of creation.
Fan does not know.
From Fan's past life memories, he knows that the reality he remembers is different from the reality he is in. At the same time, the reality he remembers is similar to the reality he is in. So he really does not have a clue on what is going on.
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What do you want to bet that the Old Ones and Necrons broke reality.
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I mean… canonically they kind of did? Like, the warp didn't used to be the warp at all before their giant cluster fuck, and they sort of killed the C'tan too so…
Not just that Solar Charm, Reality Engines were Wyld Engines that stuck, that is how they expanded Creation during the First Age.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Agreed but the Primordials did not make them IIRC. The question was what they used to make Creation. Going by charm fluff and rules for Sorcery, it was Sorcery and probably Wyldshaping, though the second is questioned as you can make Land with Sorcery (Difference between editions).
A solar with Wyld Shaping could make anything even things that could not actually exist, like the "Sigh of a Rock" Reality engines are impressive in that they are artifacts that replicate what a Solar can do innatly. Creation itself is self stable, but the Fey can unmake creation if given sufficient numbers. It more your computer would be fine forever save their an endless amount of hacker trying to crash it.
If the Raksha are to be believed then the forging of creation is what caused the imposing of linear time it's not an act of sorcery but rather " Creation, marking it out as a place with a definite shape. Within that place and because of it, time became a constant with a regularized flow, rather than the loose ordering of distinct moments it had been thus far. No more could The Raksha selectively ignore the flow of time as they once had thus the framework of History imposed itself up on their consciousness." (Graceful Wicked Masques pg. 21)
Essentially the creation of Creation created a system of definitive and repeatable interactions that established cause and effect causing the flow of time to stabilize into a single string the ability to be able to pick up a rock and have it fall 100 out of 100 times means that things have a definite path they will follow time is now a repeatable and understandable phenomenon rather than a loose collection of moments. Essentially the stasis of Creation creates the perfect time keeper and because Creation is essentially an infinitely long fiber of static matter it causes all of time to flow in accordance with it.
Though this hypothesis does take the Raksha's explanation of how Creation came to be as the official one so it needs to be taken with a thousand pounds of salt.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
To be honest, I will have to go back and check a few things. But this would not change much tbh. With regards to Wyld Shaping charm, I will have to see if I can incorporate it into the quest as I do have issues with it.
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As far as Wyld shaping in the quest goes, it could just be too difficult because of the copious amounts of demons everywhere? Idk, random thoughts.
So, outside of high level sorcery and fate of reality stuff, does anyone have a problem with adopting Persian aesthetics as a culture group? I suppose we could do Babylonian as well? Would require finding a river though.
So, outside of high level sorcery and fate of reality stuff, does anyone have a problem with adopting Persian aesthetics as a culture group? I suppose we could do Babylonian as well? Would require finding a river though.