Actually speaking of legions, once Lorgar hits his full growth I wonder would we be able to implant gene seed? I mean if anyone can perform biochemical super-science in cave with a box of rocks and herbs it is a sorcery focused Celestial Exalt. Having marines would make conquering the planet a lot easier.
Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
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It does make since, the worlds superpreadtors have not noticeable changed for millions of years. When your at the top and stay their nature sees no reason to try and change things.
[X] (Environment adaptations) Transcendent Desert Creature effects. This is considered FULLY natural and will affect even Lorgar's gene-sons retroactively.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
[X] (Environment adaptations) Transcendent Desert Creature effects. This is considered FULLY natural and will affect even Lorgar's gene-sons retroactively.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
This line is lowkey terrifying.
That's not so much a law of nature as he was the sun, the Shadow carrying light, god of the Daystar and he just decided he didn't like things and well when he's not the sun or that light that title no longer applies so it's not really a law of nature so much as a dislike of a single individual that had metaphysical consequences because of that.
Though I do get what you mean the sun fucking hating you is not cool but the only entities that really got that treatment were ghosts which are in exalted at least are Abominations that supp upon thee vetid essence of the Dead primordials, demons which are lesser fragments of the beings that enslaved him at the beginning of his existence until relatively recently in history and derivatives of those two things. Not even the beings (Raksha/Wyld creatures) that he was made essentially two kill or push back away from creation indefinitely are on the list so it's not exactly a arbitrary list and people can beseech him to be removed from it so it's not even a hard list either.
It is more terrifying that the Sun is no longer a thing. It implies some terrible things about the world. For all he was neglectful, he was still very fucking important.
[X] (Environment adaptations) Transcendent Desert Creature effects. This is considered FULLY natural and will affect even Lorgar's gene-sons retroactively.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
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[X] (Environment adaptations) Transcendent Desert Creature effects. This is considered FULLY natural and will affect even Lorgar's gene-sons retroactively.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
Soo... I was just thinking of how the Primarchs would take Fan Morgal's presence, individually and it occurred to me that all of them are likely to be jealous at least to some degree. All the primarchs had some kind of father figure on their home planet. Some of them died by the time the emperor found them, some were still alive, but for all of them there was that vast gulf between Primarch and mortal one that could not be bridged even to the level of Astartes (producing so called False Astartes). Fan Morgal is not like that. He is a match for a primarch, oh we should not attempt to arm-wrestle one of them, but when it comes to raw skills we can match then and when it comes to sorcery more than that.
All this depends on us actually being able to join the Great Crusade rather than having to fight them, but it's fun to speculate.
I think we'd get along very well with Magnus personally, I mean if he is going to take lore on the Warp from dubious sources we sure beat the Chaos Gods. Well that or he sees us as a rival and hates our guts, but I do not think Magnus is that petty, that is more Fulgrim's jam.
All this depends on us actually being able to join the Great Crusade rather than having to fight them, but it's fun to speculate.
I think we'd get along very well with Magnus personally, I mean if he is going to take lore on the Warp from dubious sources we sure beat the Chaos Gods. Well that or he sees us as a rival and hates our guts, but I do not think Magnus is that petty, that is more Fulgrim's jam.
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Maybe hold off on diving into the deep end of the warp until the baby is old enough to defend themselves?
Like, tiny sorcery baby is amusing sounding but… maybe ground them in material reality first before helping them explore their demi-godhood?
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Hm, speaking of Magnus, considering that Fan Morgal is a Defiler as well as his focuses and specialties, one also thinks that Fan Morgal and Magnus could get along rather well.
Hm, Lorgar and his Legion are going to be shaped in rather interesting directions. A combination of sorcerer, occultist, savant, surgeon, and craftsman, at the least. In addition to Magnus and the Thousand Sons, there may be potential synergy with Dorn, Perturabo, and Ferrus Manus. Well, potentially, where Perturabo is concerned. Given that Perturabo can be... cantankerous, one would need to tread delicately in his case.
Hm, Lorgar and his Legion are going to be shaped in rather interesting directions. A combination of sorcerer, occultist, savant, surgeon, and craftsman, at the least. In addition to Magnus and the Thousand Sons, there may be potential synergy with Dorn, Perturabo, and Ferrus Manus. Well, potentially, where Perturabo is concerned. Given that Perturabo can be... cantankerous, one would need to tread delicately in his case.
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[X] (Environment adaptations) Transcendent Desert Creature effects. This is considered FULLY natural and will affect even Lorgar's gene-sons retroactively.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
[X] (Environment adaptations) Transcendent Desert Creature effects. This is considered FULLY natural and will affect even Lorgar's gene-sons retroactively.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
Are we going to accidentally lead to our sons legion stealing the title of Emperors Children since Lorgars sons look more like the emperor consistently? I know it was an honor earned by good service but still!
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
Are we going to accidentally lead to our sons legion stealing the title of Emperors Children since Lorgars sons look more like the emperor consistently? I know it was an honor earned by good service but still!
[X] (Environment adaptations) Transcendent Desert Creature effects. This is considered FULLY natural and will affect even Lorgar's gene-sons retroactively.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
–The Marines will get a weaker version while special or elite individuals can train to get a fuller version. This is similar to how the Raven Guard Elite uses Corax's Wraith Slip.
[X] (Animal traits) Extremely stable Genetics. There will be no genetic drift and the gene seed will not degrade, mutate, etc over time.
–There is Ultramarine Purity and then there is this. Purity never degrades and risk of gene-seed rejection is lowered. But this will change ALL Marines to look like Lorgar, who looks like the Emperor. This is similar to how so many of Horus's Marines look like him.
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Can we use Environment adaptations regarding more esoteric aspects like Skilled in paperwork or Charms based on Swlihn?
Dorn probably will not like us, he is too much of a straight shooter and even in the best of cases there is no way Fan Morgal does not come off as a little suspicious, what with the conceptual non-warp magic. Perturabo... honestly it could go either way, depends on if he seems Lorgar and company being discounted as well for things beyond their control, like you know being bug herding magicians.
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Hm, speaking of other Primarchs that will probably dislike or even outright hate Fan Morgal and therefore Lorgar and the Word Bearers by extension, one can predictably and automatically count Leman bloody Russ as the Primarch that will be most vehement and vociferous in his disdain towards them.
For that matter, there is Mortarion as well, even with his utter hypocrisy where that subject is concerned.
Angron is probably also in that category.
Come to think of it, Corvus Corax was also one of the anti-Psyker Primarchs, if memory serves, so he will probably also be inclined to dislike Fan Morgal, Lorgar, and the Word Bearers.
Oh dear, there may be precious few Primarchs that would be well-disposed towards Fan Morgal and Lorgar.
For that matter, there is Mortarion as well, even with his utter hypocrisy where that subject is concerned.
Angron is probably also in that category.
Come to think of it, Corvus Corax was also one of the anti-Psyker Primarchs, if memory serves, so he will probably also be inclined to dislike Fan Morgal, Lorgar, and the Word Bearers.
Oh dear, there may be precious few Primarchs that would be well-disposed towards Fan Morgal and Lorgar.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
No it has to be an adaptation to an environment, this case, a desert.
So thing like heat Resistance or enhanced healing, etc.
Sorcery has a cost. A sacrifice. The greater the effect, the greater the cost. It is never free. More on this later. But even you, as an Infernal are not completely free of this. You have the need for Reagents for rituals and workings.
Others, barring Lorgar are not so lucky. The only way around this is to mack a pact with a spirit or daemon but that has issues as well.
Hmm... I wonder if we could rub the reality of what he is in Russ' face hard enough to break his conception of the universe and of himself. That would take inhuman levels of social skills, but we can get that. Because really Russ is the most like us conceptually barring Magnus, he is just too stubborn to admit it.
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Can Word bearers not use world Spirit to migrate the cost of sacrifice?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Yes, more later but there are tradeoff.
IIRC someone did that in canon and his reaction was "Yeah, so?" He knows he's a hypocrite, he just doesn't care.
We are playing an infernal exalted we can do it much more impactful, although I do think 'maximum effort make an ironic hell just for him' is probably too much.
