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Hugh's Perfectly Abnormal Mafia Game Where Everything Weird Happens Oh God (And We Promise It's Not Mountainous This Time)

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Pawn Lelouch said:
Well okay, @Walker if you're town let me ask you a question. Who are your wolfreads and why? Why do you townread the people you townread?
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Ranked in order of strength.

Townreads:
- Byzantine: Yes, really. For a confirmed 3P, they're playing very strongly town-aligned, and I don't think they're likely to have an antagonistic wincon; I don't think they're town, but I think they're advantageous for town to have, especially with their added powers.
- Wiadi: Probably unduly colored by their interactions with the early YP votes; since then, they've been a consistent player, but consistently a little sketchy. Nonetheless, I can't complain about their actual work these last two days; they've been focused and insightful in a way I like, and made a couple of valid points on Draxy.
- OriginalName/ComiTurtle: I like the way they've been looking at the mechanics, and their actions seem to have been a little anemic, but that's hardly a criticism I can levy considering the nature of this game; their use of their role has been interesting to me, but has not been town-hostile in any way I can verify.
- Walker: Town, as far as I'm aware, though an invisible undetectable Culting is a possibility, I guess. You know hugh'd do it.

Scumreads:
- Draxy: The misdirected vigilante shots are just flatly a bad look. Pairing that with their sudden focus on targeting what's been a fairly known and cooperative 3P near the tail end of the game, when we're likely at a 5-2-1, effectively a 6-2-1 is suspicious enough that I think they're my highest read.
- -Rosen: Lots of content, but I'm not sure how much I trust a lot of what they've said. Nothing specific that draws my attention, but taken as a whole it feels like they're posting a lot, but that their discussion is always circular, leading the thread back onto stuff that maybe doesn't always need to be reexamined.
- Cyricubed: Birb memes. I don't think they've done anything suspicious, but I'm also having trouble pointing to anything which disrupted or particularly influenced the game in any significant way; maybe just playing safely, maybe a scum player hoping to evade notice. A very weak read, enough so that I might put them in uncertain instead.

Uncertain:
- Pawn: Either an aggressive town player who's adapted to and engaging very well with the mechanics of this game, or playing a really good scum game. Hard to tell either way.
 
Walker said:
Ranked in order of strength.

Townreads:
- Byzantine: Yes, really. For a confirmed 3P, they're playing very strongly town-aligned, and I don't think they're likely to have an antagonistic wincon; I don't think they're town, but I think they're advantageous for town to have, especially with their added powers.
- Wiadi: Probably unduly colored by their interactions with the early YP votes; since then, they've been a consistent player, but consistently a little sketchy. Nonetheless, I can't complain about their actual work these last two days; they've been focused and insightful in a way I like, and made a couple of valid points on Draxy.
- OriginalName/ComiTurtle: I like the way they've been looking at the mechanics, and their actions seem to have been a little anemic, but that's hardly a criticism I can levy considering the nature of this game; their use of their role has been interesting to me, but has not been town-hostile in any way I can verify.
- Walker: Town, as far as I'm aware, though an invisible undetectable Culting is a possibility, I guess. You know hugh'd do it.

Scumreads:
- Draxy: The misdirected vigilante shots are just flatly a bad look. Pairing that with their sudden focus on targeting what's been a fairly known and cooperative 3P near the tail end of the game, when we're likely at a 5-2-1, effectively a 6-2-1 is suspicious enough that I think they're my highest read.
- -Rosen: Lots of content, but I'm not sure how much I trust a lot of what they've said. Nothing specific that draws my attention, but taken as a whole it feels like they're posting a lot, but that their discussion is always circular, leading the thread back onto stuff that maybe doesn't always need to be reexamined.
- Cyricubed: Birb memes. I don't think they've done anything suspicious, but I'm also having trouble pointing to anything which disrupted or particularly influenced the game in any significant way; maybe just playing safely, maybe a scum player hoping to evade notice. A very weak read, enough so that I might put them in uncertain instead.

Uncertain:
- Pawn: Either an aggressive town player who's adapted to and engaging very well with the mechanics of this game, or playing a really good scum game. Hard to tell either way.
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For Cyri, I maintain his slot is the towniest off interactions around Nani coupled with the shot claiming making no sense as a wolf. If I was wolfing I would have been way less disconnected despite having finals and a trip tbh.

What do you consider of the fact that Comi/Ori has a godfather role that has apparently other modes but was kept in that configuration alongside potentially being in the best busser position?

Since if I'm at all right on my reads, you have a POE of Rosen/Draxy/Ori you need to solve in if town, while I'm skeptical that Rosen and Draxy specifically are together. So I want you to go through and try to evaluate in this general direction more than anything else if possible.
 
Walker said:
Ranked in order of strength.


Scumreads:
- Draxy: The misdirected vigilante shots are just flatly a bad look. Pairing that with their sudden focus on targeting what's been a fairly known and cooperative 3P near the tail end of the game, when we're likely at a 5-2-1, effectively a 6-2-1 is suspicious enough that I think they're my highest read.
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Fine whatever, I already know there's no chance of him going at this point, so town lose I guess. There is nothing about the way he's been acting that screams town-sided to me. I mean sure he's been helpful and is scumhunting maf, but that's just removing competition, yet because of that apparently everyone thinks he's safe!
And he's being so fucking blatant on being anti-town as well!
'Ohhhh, visit me! Visit me! Come get your tasty roleblocking noodles! Only two more people need to get their bowl! I promise nothing bad will happen when then they do~! ;)'

At this point if he is hostile, you all deserve to lose. I don't even fucking care anymore.
 
Draxy said:
And he's being so fucking blatant on being anti-town as well!
'Ohhhh, visit me! Visit me! Come get your tasty roleblocking noodles! Only two more people need to get their bowl! I promise nothing bad will happen when then they do
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I'm being quite open that I can't actually promise nothing will happen, since bastard game and all. I haven't been told or even implied at anything will happen, but yeah, no, I'm just cooperative in this kind of situation. It's very relaxing. I expect I can win with whoever, but eh, if I lose I'll learn a lesson on being more circumspect longer.

And asking people to visit is about all I can do to work toward my win con, so I might as well. They are free to decide it's a bad idea.
 
Okay I've been told this.

"shes spartacus, she will only check as spartacus and her pm is obviously fake bc it's green"
The godfather bit was red but also there aren't determined alignment colors so I dunno. Make of it as we will I suppose.

Draxy said:
Fine whatever, I already know there's no chance of him going at this point, so town lose I guess. There is nothing about the way he's been acting that screams town-sided to me. I mean sure he's been helpful and is scumhunting maf, but that's just removing competition, yet because of that apparently everyone thinks he's safe!
And he's being so fucking blatant on being anti-town as well!
'Ohhhh, visit me! Visit me! Come get your tasty roleblocking noodles! Only two more people need to get their bowl! I promise nothing bad will happen when then they do~! ;)'

At this point if he is hostile, you all deserve to lose. I don't even fucking care anymore.
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I fully admit my take is a mix of me somewhat doubting he takes this approach if hostile (the full admittance of being non town) as it would have been easy to just vote him out, as with how early he claimed it and people having some concern that mafia didn't exist at all he could have been on the chopping block if people reacted badly, at this point we quite literally do not have the numbers to kill Byzantine due to numerous town on town vig shots (maybe this'll change if mafia doesn't get a kill off while we successfully kill today but we need to reach that point first and if you're town, which I am willing to believe based on how you're acting here, I need all the help I can get please.), and that frankly if Hugh makes a town hostile role that could win off a single Lightning Rod or similar, it doesn't matter that this is a bastard game, he would get hella flamed design wise.
 
Do people actually have role cards that are not just basically calling you vanilla? Because the claim that I have any choice of abilities as Spartacus is just patently false. Ori just revealed as Spartacus and we received no confirmation or new role card other than it being posted in day chat.
 
ComiTurtle said:
Do people actually have role cards that are not just basically calling you vanilla? Because the claim that I have any choice of abilities as Spartacus is just patently false. Ori just revealed as Spartacus and we received no confirmation or new role card other than it being posted in day chat.
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I do, but it also does not actually say anything that I can do, etc.

Scor's ability is hilarious in that it seems to give more info than the target actually had about their own ability. Unfortunately we were never able to confirm if said additional info is actually accurate.
 
@Walker what night actions if any have you input this game, why? Also because the thread marks are so jumbled with both day start and day end and reveals I can't quite process them what even is your current role?

@Draxy same question as above at you but at least I know you were apparently a vig and now a veteran from context clues.
 
ComiTurtle said:
Do people actually have role cards that are not just basically calling you vanilla? Because the claim that I have any choice of abilities as Spartacus is just patently false. Ori just revealed as Spartacus and we received no confirmation or new role card other than it being posted in day chat.
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I'm just going off of what I've been told from the cop checks that have largely seemed accurate based on Nani. Unfortunately, it is entirely possible that we're in the extremely stupid and anti fun design world of Hugh deciding to make a game where nobody (or at least town), can check their own role to find out what it does unless it is patently obvious and explicitly asked for, requiring others to confirm role functions for them. I certain hope that isn't the case, but its not entirely possible to rule out.

Coincidentally, based on the results Bun got from Nani's role PM, @-Rosen is almost certainly a mayorizer with flavor attached to it. Accordingly, I'm going to say that I'm going to ask you to mayorize Wiadi (or myself) and consider any mayorizing outside of those two to be a scum claim despite my view on Cyri.

I have also been asked to remind everyone of the following by Nictis. Byzantine was originally Town and nobody is being informed as to what actions they have available and are either hard locked into actions by what they submitted to the GM or not depending on how they put it, and are not informed of this.
 
ComiTurtle said:
@Walker what night actions if any have you input this game, why? Also because the thread marks are so jumbled with both day start and day end and reveals I can't quite process them what even is your current role?
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Walker said:
N1: Tried to rolecop myself to figure out the nature of how bastard roles work in this game. Discovered I'm a rolecop, but nothing further, which I already knew, so that's a great choice of action there.
N2: Rolecopped Scorbunny; turns out they're a fullcop, so basically my role but better. Ouch.
N3: Tried to rolecop Nanimani, intercepted by Byzantine's noodle stands. Noodles tasty, but not very productive.
N4: Tried to rolecop Byzantine, noodled again. I'm having a very tasty game, but not necessarily a useful one.
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Was a rolecop, still a rolecop.
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
Coincidentally, based on the results Bun got from Nani's role PM, @-Rosen is almost certainly a mayorizer with flavor attached to it. Accordingly, I'm going to say that I'm going to ask you to mayorize Wiadi (or myself) and consider any mayorizing outside of those two to be a scum claim despite my view on Cyri.
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Before I consider doing this, I want to ask what makes you capable of swapping your revealed role around multiple times? From what I can tell only Nani, yourself, 99, and Draxy have proven capable of doing so, and I'm not sure 99 has elaborated on such right before dying, so from my perspective this just seems like a pretty sketchy call to follow blindly.
 
One, I'll admit some concern over going for Draxy here today. Since I feel like her takes on "Fuck it, not my fault if we lose" bit and general anger around Byz is probably just real. The stuff around the dayvig -> vet is still really rough but I can see a lot of the tunnel visioning as genuinely town trying to stop Byz from being a town hostile 3P whose winning as she's lost to Byzantine Serial Killer before where town lost due to some bad balance decision by the host about how the SK worked. So that its specifically Byzantine 3P is helping her feelings along here and makes me believe it more.

Meanwhile, Walker just feels non committal and like he hasn't really evaled fully or read a lot of the thing today which is concerning me still.

-Rosen said:
Before I consider doing this, I want to ask what makes you capable of swapping your revealed role around multiple times? From what I can tell only Nani, yourself, 99, and Draxy have proven capable of doing so, and I'm not sure 99 has elaborated on such right before dying, so from my perspective this just seems like a pretty sketchy call to follow blindly.
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Notably, I put Wiadi as the primary person there for a reason in case people aren't trusting me there. I just do not want it to be potentially be put on anyone I could see as having any chance of a wolf with how swingy the numbers are at this point.

I'm fairly certain the reason why we've been able to change roles is that we did public reveal roles. Hence not being locked in on them as we used a different method for doing so.
 
Also @ComiTurtle if you are town, ask to use your cop ability tonight as it has less potential downsides for town here than the supposedly known ones at this point.
 
Also before I'm out again I'll briefly summarize what I've attempted to do in the game this far

D1 - Tried to create a private chat with Nictis (Acknowledged, but quiet-failed)
D1 - Reveal as the King of England (Succeeded)
D1 - Reveal Pawn Lelouch as "Revealed by Rosen" (Failed due to ability being one-use per Day)
N1 - Create a kingly decree stating that they dumped our tea into the bay and that wasn't very nice (Acknowledged, but quiet-failed)
D2 - Reveal Nanimani as "Secret Scum" (Failed due to Secret Scum not being a European Monarch)
D2 - Reveal Nanimani as "King Louis XVI" (Succeeded)
D2 - Role-Swap to Party Host (Loud-failed)
N2 - Jail Pawn Lelouch (Loud-failed)
N2 - Reveal Rosen's Power (Unacknowledged)
D3 - Reveal Rosen as "Also Cult Leader (Let's Remake Tri-Cult Guys)" (Failed due to role not being a European Monarch)
N3 - Declare that I have won the game (Loud-failed)
N3 - Declare that hugh_donnetono has lost the game (Loud-failed)
N3 - Declare that all players may not post the same word 15 times in a row, by penalty of death (Loud-failed)
N3 - Kill Rosen (Loud-failed)
 
Additionally, N4 is when I received the notification that I survived a shot. No other GM notifications have come my way
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
Also @ComiTurtle if you are town, ask to use your cop ability tonight as it has less potential downsides for town here than the supposedly known ones at this point.
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I do not plan to be Spartacus at the end of the day, and let me tell you all Hugh won't let me have fun with meme roles, and yet somehow someone was King Louis at some point.
-Rosen said:
Before I consider doing this, I want to ask what makes you capable of swapping your revealed role around multiple times? From what I can tell only Nani, yourself, 99, and Draxy have proven capable of doing so, and I'm not sure 99 has elaborated on such right before dying, so from my perspective this just seems like a pretty sketchy call to follow blindly.
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I've tried to swap since I'm just getting told no because my memes are too powerful as memes (I've only sent concepts and silly names) basic roles are boring give me the entire concept of ephemeral mafia.
 
Basically it seems I can change just I've failed because I guess I'm not taking this serious enough
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
One, I'll admit some concern over going for Draxy here today. Since I feel like her takes on "Fuck it, not my fault if we lose" bit and general anger around Byz is probably just real. The stuff around the dayvig -> vet is still really rough but I can see a lot of the tunnel visioning as genuinely town trying to stop Byz from being a town hostile 3P whose winning as she's lost to Byzantine Serial Killer before where town lost due to some bad balance decision by the host about how the SK worked. So that its specifically Byzantine 3P is helping her feelings along here and makes me believe it more.
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I mean I buy thinking I'm a hostile 3P. but Draxy has not even tried to explain why they shot 99L yesterday.
 
okay, reveals moved to sidestory, but aparently sv has decided to be stupid and dumb and difficult about this! I think I fixed the order but tell me if I missed anything.
 
Okay so with day end approaching, and me quite possibly dying before I see another sunrise, I think it's a good time to explicitly share some of my info. Pawn cops as Town, and so does Cyri unless I actually did get lightning-rodded by 99L yesterday (which at this point I think is unlikely).

Anyway, my suspicion remains on Draxy, but I'll again admit that's partly on vibes so I do get it if others disagree.
 
I'll be around till EoD, but anyway I'd like an explanantion for the 99L shot, @Draxy. And not the handwavy "I don't even know who I was shooting at" response you gave earlier.
 
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