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A Harry Potter Quest: He who was not

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The interaction between Jacob's and Fleur's magic was interesting. Glad Jacob's mom stepped in though because things looked like they could have gotten out of hand. It's pretty obvious that Fleur's veela nature excited Jacob's soul somehow, but the reason why escapes me. Probably a good idea to try to learn more about his origin. I would also assume that the Horcrux action would give Jacob a better insight in regards to his own nature as well. Something to work towards I suppose.

Tabula Rasa said:
Your father had detached from you to walk over to a tall, imposing statue in the center of the room. He removed a small, intricately carved wooden box from its side, and whispered a spell over it. The box opened, revealing a small stone with a bright, glowing aura.

"We have what we came for."
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Of all the things to happen during the Summer holidays, robbing a museum wasn't something I expected.

Tabula Rasa said:
You are pondering a difficult question at night. Your fathers' words made you aware of a philosophical world view that you still need to form. While you might change your perspective in age, as you are very
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Learning towards Magic without restriction or Baby steps. The magical world can't stay hidden forever, especially as Muggles continue to advance.

Honestly, I think a quick, early reveal might go better than taking the baby step option considering the time period. Mainly because revealing the existence of the Magical World to muggles would probably be easier to deal with in the early 2000's than it would be later on. Right now in story there is no social media, not everyone has cell phones, people aren't so interconnected nor divided. Compare the 1990's to 2020 and the world looks totally different.
 
Lord Bane said:
i dont see how this goes well.
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I agree that modern governments would be forced to rely on military means if put in an uncomfortable position but the reason you can't see how this goes well is because we haven't even looked at the problem yet. Which is why I think baby steps, break down the problem into steps.

What is magic? Why isnt magic widespread? How have people tried in the overcome the limitations?

ShyGuy said:
no social media, not everyone has cell phones
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I don't think the information revolution would be the deciding factor on when to reveal magic. What effects would magic sea creatures have on food shipments? Are you willing to write off the population of nations dependant on food imports?

Plus, the information revolution might have interesting magical ramifications. What of every cellphone acted as a magical creature protecting thier owner akin to a unison device?
 
Tzaphquiel said:
Hm, wizards may be contemptuous of non-magical people on an individual level, but they should very much fear non-magical people on a collective level. If it does become a matter of outright war, the wizards would make it a very painful affair, yes, but they are not the ones who will be the victors at the end.
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Three spells to fuck evry goverment apparat and Imperius curse +throw in obliviate and u get the full set how to control a gov maybe throw in some legemency and u can get maybe up to prime minister +potion wizards are just to lazy to care if they really wanted ? They could fuck over any gov structure espcially the military follow orders remember....?Thats why its so dangerous for the Magical World to intregrate with muggles where Demokrat(or any kind free thinking right) ideas are prevelant u have people who can steal ur free will america up in arms they dont want some one to fuck with their gun rights since the founding and u think they will let that slide with america comes the rest of the west....
 
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Magic without restrictions really tickles my fancy. While it surely isn't as simple as the option makes it seem, I would rather play as a teenager that dreams big. The view also goes against the prevailing opinion in magical Britain, so there are probably going to be lot of chances to either defend and evolve our views, or change them when we are older and less of a teenager that has grand visions that are obviously the correct way the world should work.

The focus on non-human magical beings is interesting. Did the wizards even consult Sphinxes , Merpeople , Centaurs and other sapient beings before enacting the Statute? Banning them from what seems like most of the worlds surface and oceans, without their consent, seems ethically questionable at best.
 
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MossPiglet said:
of chances to either defend and evolve our views, or change them when we are older and less of a teenager that has grand visions that are obviously the correct way the world should work.
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Yeah good points. A methodical approach with planning or a grandiose approach with refinement. I don't see a big difference between the two.

Lord Bane said:
control a gov
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I mean, theorizing about the dangers of mind control is something we should plan on how to prevent. Perhaps there's jewelry that can prevent the most common forms? Perhaps there's something that can be done with the upcoming developments with computing? We haven't looked at the problem with any rigor.

I do think that playing Prometheus and giving everybody magic would be the most ideal solution, but some kind of "statute against mind magics" would be an acceptable compromise.
 
Honestly turn everybody in a wizard may be the best solution, but i don't know how you would achieve it withing the setting, and is probably the boldest move anyone ever did in that universe.
 
[X] Following behind baby steps – While you see merit in evolving out of the deadlock that wizardry has been kept in for a thousand years, you don't think it can be done all at once. You fear of getting to grow up a cog in the machine, like many free thinkers did before you, because you do not dare to think just big enough. But it is important to you to not have the world fall in chaos once magic is released into every corner of the realms.
 
Hm, considering how much wizards rely on magic as a crutch in lieu of developing critical thinking skills or even just thinking in general, perhaps it is for the best that wizards are relatively rare.

Beware the superman and all that. Just as it is with DC or Marvel, so one could make the argument here. There is a need for organizations specifically designed to protect the regular people against wizards abusing their magic.
 
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Let´s be honest, we are unlikely to ever act on this, this is the quest of a Hogwarts student, not a political activist in the Wizarding world, BUT I would rather have Jacob dreaming big.

[X] Magic without restriction – Magic is inherent to anything you have dear. Even if someone is not capable of contributing to this world, it is neither in your nor in their interest to have the realms apart. You want any restriction to be fully abolished. Whatever happens in the aftermath is inevitable for the growth that the world will come to see. Giants, Meerpeople, Thestrals and all wonderful magical beings and creatures should roam the world as they please.
 
[X] Following behind baby steps – While you see merit in evolving out of the deadlock that wizardry has been kept in for a thousand years, you don't think it can be done all at once. You fear of getting to grow up a cog in the machine, like many free thinkers did before you, because you do not dare to think just big enough. But it is important to you to not have the world fall in chaos once magic is released into every corner of the realms.

You don't fix an extreme by going to the other
 
Tzaphquiel said:
Hm, considering how much wizards rely on magic as a crutch in lieu of developing critical thinking skills or even just thinking in general, perhaps it is for the best that wizards are relatively rare.
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I don't think it's exactly magic as a crutch, I think it's more that they're in an unassailable position and don't have to improve. The magic just got them there and the small size means there aren't the civic forces you and I have to contend with, mages can just fuck off if they want to.
Fanhunter696 said:
not a political activist
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I don't think we'd do it by building political consensus, no. More of a "I'm giving out superpowers, try and stop me".

Still, I haven't seen a reason to jump for one over the other.
 
[X] Magic without restriction – Magic is inherent to anything you have dear. Even if someone is not capable of contributing to this world, it is neither in your nor in their interest to have the realms apart. You want any restriction to be fully abolished. Whatever happens in the aftermath is inevitable for the growth that the world will come to see. Giants, Meerpeople, Thestrals and all wonderful magical beings and creatures should roam the world as they please.
This is the choice most fitting for Jacob as a person, he's very idealistic. On a darker notes he's darwinistic enough to be okay with the negative consequences.
 
[X] Keeping the status quo – It pains you. This speaks against fundamental values that you have, but you need to be realistic. There are many downsides that would come by getting rid of the restrictions. People would die, extremists may come to rise again, and muggles would be helpless at the end of it. The realms have been separated for a reason. It is not your duty to change that in this world.

The magical population is so vanishingly small compared to the mundane one, that I don't see a reason to open that can of worms.
Repello Muggletum – Charm. The Muggle-Repelling charm prevents Muggles from seeing or entering an area. Any non-magic person that would get close to the vicinity of the enchantment would remember something urgent to do and leave. DC: 100.

Oculos Abhorrens - Charm. Used to annulate any kind of observation based on muggle methods or spells. While it will be noticed in the aftermath that someone broke the spells, it does not raise any alarm immediately and leaves you untraceable. It can be countered with high level spell work, but usually it does its job. Requires Charms skill of A. DC: 100
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Plus the Memory Charm and a wizard already can basically do whatever he wants.

Why dangle something shiny and incredible, but unfathomable and unobtainable in front of muggles? Just for a bunch of idiots to feel properly superior? If Jacob knew what Muggles are capable of doing to each other and on what scale I imagine he would be a lot more cautious.

Imagine governments and militaries of the world coming together to combat the wizards. Us versus them goes both ways after all.
 
DerHesse said:
Jacob knew what Muggles are capable of doing to each other and on what scale I imagine he would be a lot more cautious.
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This is the child who had constant recurring nightmares of a blood magic fueled army conquering it's way across bronze age Europe. I think he'll be fine.

[X] Magic without restriction

Fathom the unfathomable and reach the unreachable.
 
Personally I prefer the more careful baby steps because it fits the alchemist part of Jacob. Measure twice, cut once, like Flamel said. This very much would be the kind of thing where you don't get a second try if you go through with it, after all.
 
Bravo! While I was apprehensive about the dance, Tabula managed to go above and beyond my expectations. Fleur's character in this one chapter managed to pique my interest more than any other character.

[X] Magic without restriction – Magic is inherent to anything you have dear. Even if someone is not capable of contributing to this world, it is neither in your nor in their interest to have the realms apart. You want any restriction to be fully abolished. Whatever happens in the aftermath is inevitable for the growth that the world will come to see. Giants, Meerpeople, Thestrals and all wonderful magical beings and creatures should roam the world as they please.
 
[X] Following behind baby steps

I remember a time-loop fic I once read where the big event Harry was trying to prevent was the unveiling of the magical world to the muggles. It was a brutal war that favored the muggles because of Dumbledore-led appeasement policies that resembled the ones Chamberlain negotiated with the Nazi party. As grimdark as the fic was, I kind of agree with its conclusions. Humanity as a whole would not react well to the unveiling of a magical community, given religious hysteria and national security pressures. Most wizards don't understand the realities of modern technology, nor muggle history, and I think that lack of understanding would lead to some early mistakes that their society as a whole wouldn't recover from.

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Because I was messaged about it, here's a link to the fic. It's not perfect, featuring a Riddle/HP pairing, but it had a lot of ideas that shaped how I think of the Harry Potter setting.

 
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[X] Following behind baby steps – While you see merit in evolving out of the deadlock that wizardry has been kept in for a thousand years, you don't think it can be done all at once. You fear of getting to grow up a cog in the machine, like many free thinkers did before you, because you do not dare to think just big enough. But it is important to you to not have the world fall in chaos once magic is released into every corner of the realms.

You're all making very good points. But come on, no restrictions would lead to a war, no one wants that.

Tabula Rasa said:
Giants, Meerpeople, Thestrals and all wonderful magical beings and creatures should roam the world as they please.
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Ironically, without restriction would be the best method to make them go extinct, once the kill the different craze starts.
 
Nemomagnus said:
Personally I prefer the more careful baby steps because it fits the alchemist part of Jacob. Measure twice, cut once, like Flamel said. This very much would be the kind of thing where you don't get a second try if you go through with it, after all.
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We are so far ahead of the "cutting and measuring" part, we are still pretty much at the drawing board.
[X] Magic without restriction
Because it's nice to have a grand dream at that age. Also, I would love for all the magical beings to (relatively) freely roam the earth again.
 
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