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Son of Death (30k Mortarion Quest)

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[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?

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And speaking of his siblings, who do you think we will have the absolute worst first impression with?
 
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Acc. No. 1409 said:
And speaking of his siblings, who do you think we will have the absolute worst first impression with?
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Assuming all other Primarchs stay the same until our arrival.

Lion El'Jonson: -Their respective times on their planets was quite similar in that they both fought against monsters and abominations. The big difference are their respective father figures. Morty killed his father, while Lion promoted his to second in command. It could lead to friction, because that is definitely something the Lion would find incomprehensible at first. The farming is tricky. Caliban is a feudal society, so Morty actively bevoming a farmer might lead to the Lion looking down on him. Feudal society, yeah? Appreciative at best, but probably marked with tensions and shows of superiority.

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Fulgrim: Planets are very similar so they might share a common origin and both strived to improve the lot of their people in their own ways. It's just that their personalities might clash tremendously. Or they might get along? Not too sure. It's either they hate each other or they will be good pals, I think.

Perturabo: Similar attitude, but current Mortarion might not get along with Perti's extremely harsh measures. I think it will start out rough, but if they continue to interact with each other, their relationship will improve abd they will have a positive effect on each other. Best case.

Jaghatai Khan: Don't know enough, but farmers and nomads don't mix. Prejudices for the win? Armies might complement each other very well. Probably a neutral relationship.

Leman Russ: oof. Communication issues exponentially increase. Probably a bad outcome.

Rogal Dorn: neutral, probably.

Konrad Curze: Might actually hate him.

Sanguinius: I think they could get along, but Sanguinius might actually come off as too perfect, so Morty will definitely be wary for some time.

Ferrus Manus: Don't know enough about him.

Angron: Let's just keep our distance...

Roboute Guilliman: Difficult. I think this will be more professional. Both can appreciate their respective strengths, but they probably just don't really click?

Magnus the Red: ehhh... Suspicious until proven innocent? Or at least until proven to be more cautious.

Horus: Everyone likes Horus. Morty might dislike his showmanship and put on attitudes though. Deoends on how much effort Horus expends on us.

Lorgar: Can't say. Probably neutral.

Vulkan: Probably positive. Don't see a reason for them to truly dislike each other. Their opinions might widely diverge though. Depends on their respective humbleness and respect.

Corvus Corax: Can't say. Probably neutral.

Alpharius/Omegon: ?

Edit: always add a bit of initial disdain because farming.
 
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[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?
 
Sonuvabitch, I was gonna post something like that!

Czes said:
Ferrus Manus: Don't know enough about him.
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Given his tendencies towards Survival of the fittest, I think they'd actually be antagonistic.

Mortarion here has trained his death guard to accept death when fighting Necare, but it's because in such conditions, panicking when something goes wrong will hurt everyone, so you need to try to ensure your life is either well spent or doesn't harm your bretheren.

Ferrus wants his men competing with each other for resources. He believes that such competition is necessary to keep people healthy. But that mentality would have spelled Doom in Mortarions battles, as such competition would have encouraged the Death Guard to work in ways that would harm their fellows.

At the very least, I don't think Mortarion will respect him.
Czes said:
Magnus the Red: ehhh... Suspicious until oroven innocent? Or at least until proven to be more cautious.
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I think it'll be complicated. Mortarions attitude to Psykers here is that he's seen both sides of the coin: It can lead people to become Monsters, but the power itself can be used for good.

I think he'd dislike how Reckless Magnus is, and I think Magnus would probably respectfully disagree. And I do mean respectfully - Mortarions concerns being less "Psykers bad" and more about safety would seem reasonable to him, but he totally knows what he's doing so it's not a problem. And I think Mortarion will recognise that Magnus has his heart in the right place, even if he still finds it concerning.

Czes said:
Konrad Curze: Might actually hate him.
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It's 90's Bat-Cop crossed with the Punisher and at least 3 Rob Liefeld characters.

No one likes Curze.
Czes said:
Roboute Guilliman: Difficult. I think this will be more professional. Both can appreciate their respective strengths, but they probably just don't really click?
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Might work better: Guillimans whole deal is logistics, and I think he'd respect the farmer aspect of Mortarion, especially since proper landscaping can remove a number of other problems like landslides.

But he also has a bad habit of doing what other people do but better (by learning from them and improving), and that might or might not rub Mortarion the wrong way since it could be seen as making light of the effort he puts in.
 
Dmol8 said:
Show Mortarion what exactly?
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Looks like the site ate the rest of the post 🫠

Show him that the Emperor is fundamentally different from the overlords he's familiar with in more ways than just power. Humility will show, should the emperor agree, that at the very least he is able and willing to do work that many would consider "beneath" his station in order to get Mortarion's service. It'll show that he is willing to bend to a certain extent, to negotiate and accept the challenges of his son in order to achieve his goal.

Basically, it'll be more effective than resilience (which would probably require Emps to use his powers, and I can't see Mort liking that), and camaraderie will likely not impress Mort unless there's a primarch in orbit. Lastly, Humility will test Emps character more so than any of the others.
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
It's 90's Bat-Cop crossed with the Punisher and at least 3 Rob Liefeld characters.

No one likes Curze.
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You might not believe me, but they were actually getting along in canon. Of course the fact that they didn't get along with anyone else probably played into that. Like the two weird children in class everyone avoids teaming up, so that they can't be teased about having no friends.
 
Czes said:
You might not believe me, but they were actually getting along in canon. Of course the fact that they didn't get along with anyone else probably played into that. Like the two weird children in class everyone avoids teaming up, so that they can't be teased about having no friends.
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Huh, the more you know. Still think it's going to go differently here, even if I think Mortarion will probably pity Curze.

Also, quick note:

Mortarion is the 13th primarch discovered. Horus, Leman, Ferrus, Fulgrim, Vulkan, Dorn, Guilliman, Sanguinius, Lion, and Perturabo were found before him, and Lorgar, Jaghatai, Konrad, Angron, Corvus, and Aplharius were found later.

So for the last ones, our interactions will probably be informed by actions we've taken as much as by when we encounter them
 
Czes said:
Jaghatai Khan: Don't know enough, but farmers and nomads don't mix. Prejudices for the win? Armies mught complement each other very well. Probably a neutral relationship.
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Jaghatai's big thing has always been a degree of alienation from his brothers as a default, so they'd start out not really understanding each other. The fact that Jaghatai leaned into the role of warriors for his culture, while Mortarion actively seeks to shuck it whenever he can, means the misunderstandings/separation will only grow.

Leman Russ: oof. Communication issues exponentially increase. Probably a bad outcome.
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Also, Leman wants to preserve his death world to keep his people strong. Mort wants to teraform away the death worldy-ness.

Sanguinius: I think they could get along, but Sanguinius might actually come off as too perfect, so Morty will definitely be wary for some time.
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Everyone likes Sanguinius, and since he's less bitter/wasn't traumatized by the Emperor, Morty will like him too.

Corvus Corax: Can't say. Proneutral.
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Both have similar but different origins. Men of the common people who led a war of revolution against the overlords, although in different contexts and tech levels. Corax was raised among the disenfranchised and led a guerrilla war against the upper class. Probably mutual respect.
 
[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?

Has he ever been a... breadtuber?
 
God it would be so interesting to see this Mortarion together with Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus, they all live for the cleansing of the polluted and unclean that corrupted their worlds with Mortorian the farmer and terraformer standing in between Manus and his Darwinian discarding of weak flesh for the steel of the machine and Fulgrim and his whole like Renaissance court patronage thing of reawakening the civilization of Chemos. No mere YA dystopian love triangle, this is a Homeric love triumvirate!
 
If Humility involved working on Mortarion's farm then most of it is his bio-engineering fields so his conversation with the Emperor could go in that direction instead of focusing on 'the base work of the peasantry' which isn't Mort's focus here. If it somehow does keep to that then honestly the Emperor might not even see it as drudgery being from Terra. It's unlikely they had any land left for traditional agriculture so to him this could be completely novel instead of the definition of poverty.
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
Huh, the more you know. Still think it's going to go differently here, even if I think Mortarion will probably pity Curze.

Also, quick note:

Mortarion is the 13th primarch discovered. Horus, Leman, Ferrus, Fulgrim, Vulkan, Dorn, Guilliman, Sanguinius, Lion, and Perturabo were found before him, and Lorgar, Jaghatai, Konrad, Angron, Corvus, and Aplharius were found later.

So for the last ones, our interactions will probably be informed by actions we've taken as much as by when we encounter them
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Another thing to consider is that our first impressions will be colored by the context of the battles. Mortarion was discovered in the middle of the Rangdan Xenocides, a campaign in which the Death Guard were recorded participants. How well do the Legions fare against murder minds?
 
Ganurath said:
Another thing to consider is that our first impressions will be colored by the context of the battles. Mortarion was discovered in the middle of the Rangdan Xenocides, a campaign in which the Death Guard were recorded participants. How well do the Legions fare against murder minds?
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Tragically, this runs into the issue that I steadfastly refuse to care about or acknowledge the Rangdan as existing.

Not because I am particularly opposed to their actual lore, in so much as they have any, rather I took the contrary stance years back when GW kept teasing this super significant background element to the heresy that was totally huge and epic and legendary you guys get hyped for another tiny little morsel of implication in five weeks.
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
Mortarion is the 13th primarch discovered. Horus, Leman, Ferrus, Fulgrim, Vulkan, Dorn, Guilliman, Sanguinius, Lion, and Perturabo were found before him, and Lorgar, Jaghatai, Konrad, Angron, Corvus, and Aplharius were found later.
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With Mort delayed by three years he's now in the same year as Lorgar.

Horus is an obvious like. Magnus an equally obvious dislike. All of Mort's other older brothers are kinda... could go either way. Sure some are assholes, others are pretty, others have similar backstories, but nothing determinitive.
 
CatOnTheWeb said:
Jaghatai's big thing has always been a degree of alienation from his brothers as a default, so they'd start out not really understanding each other. The fact that Jaghatai leaned into the role of warriors for his culture, while Mortarion actively seeks to shuck it whenever he can, means the misunderstandings/separation will only grow.


Also, Leman wants to preserve his death world to keep his people strong. Mort wants to teraform away the death worldy-ness.


Everyone likes Sanguinius, and since he's less bitter/wasn't traumatized by the Emperor, Morty will like him too.


Both have similar but different origins. Men of the common people who led a war of revolution against the overlords, although in different contexts and tech levels. Corax was raised among the disenfranchised and led a guerrilla war against the upper class. Probably mutual respect.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Leman at first DID wanted to improve his homeworld and he ask the emperor to help. Who in response said "nope sorry son Fenris is just too shit" although I do have to subtract point for not even trying before giving up.
 
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